Tippah Co MS, pg 418 Elijah HAMRICK 35 NC; Milla 35 NC; Asa 12 NC; James 10 NC; Thomas 7 NC; George W. 2 MS. Was Milla a McSwain? Tippah Co MS, pg 459 Allen HAMBRICK 28 SC; Sarah 25 AL; Mary 70 VA. Tippah Co MS, pg 459 Isaac HAMBRICK 31 SC; Martha 38 AL; George W. 3 MS; Elizabeth 10/12 MS Tippah Co MS, pg 459 James M HAMBRICK 27 SC; Mary 36 SC; Mary L 8 AL; Sarah E. 5 AL; Nancy F. 3 AL; Josephine 1 MS; Cela Hemby 38 SC. Tippah Co MS, pg 459 John HAMBRICK 54 VA; Rebecca 68 SC; John H 20 SC; Rebecca 19 SC; Catherine 16 AL. See: 1860 Hempstead Co AR. Winston Co MS, pg 369 Benjamin HAMBRICK 50 TN; Bernetta (Sykes) 48 NC; Mary 20 AL; Andrew 18 TN; John 15 AL; Margaret 13 AL; Hannah 9 MS; Ann 8 MS; Benjamin 4 MS. m 4-8-1824 Madison Co AL. Guess: son of Robert and Hannah (Hubbard) Winston Co MS, pg 369 Joseph HAMBRICK 25 TN; Cathareine (Kelly) 24 TN; William 4 MS; Benjamin 3 MS; Joseph 2 MS. m 12-23-1844 Noxubee Co MS. Son of Benjamin and Bernetta. See: 1860 Saline Co AR Winston Co MS, pg 369 William H HAMBRICK 22/32 AL; Martha (Vaught) 23 AL. m 1-8-1850. son of Benjamin and Bernetta.

Adams Co MS, pg 46 Cloe (Povert) HAMBRICK 50 KY; Eveline 15 MS; Amelia Henderson 18 MS. m 3-7-1835 William Hambrick. Carroll Co MS, pg 248 Jeremiah HAMRICK 40 GA; Sarah (Beall) 35 GA; John 12 GA. sonof Peter & Elizabeth. m 1-29-1832 Lincoln Co GA. Choctaw Co MS, pg 66 Peter HAMBRIC 68 VA; Elizabeth (Wilson) 74 VA; Jasper 19 GA. son of Charles and Mary. Choctaw Co MS, pg 81 Bartlett HAMRICK 42 GA; Lucinda (Crozier) 33 GA; Sarah 10 MS; Jane 7 MS; John 3 MS; Louisa 1/12 MS. son of Peter and Elizabeth. m 11-1-1831 Lincoln Co GA. Clarke Co MS, pg 161 Willis HAMBRICK 24 MS; Emeline (Hambrick) 26 MS; Frances 8 MS: James 6 MS; Katherine 5 MS; Elizabeth 4 MS; Martha 2 MS. m 13 Jan 1842 Lauderdale Co MS. son of James and Mary (Bankston). Emeline dau. of John and Catherine (Myers) Lauderdale Co MS, pg 347 Burwell HAMRICK 27 AL; Elizabeth T (Barnett) 22 AL; Thomas T 5 AL; Eliza 3 AL; James 2 AL; George 1 AL; Warren Alford 25 AL. m 9-7-1843. son of James & Mary (Bankston). See: 1860 San Saba Co TX. Laderdale Co MS, pg 347 Thomas P. C. HAMRICK 32 MS; Frances A.(Barnett) 27 MS; Emaline M. 6 MS; Burwell M. 3 MS. son of James and Mary (Bankston). See 1860 San Saba Co TX Lauderdale Co MS, pg 377 Thomas J HAMRICK 40 GA; Sabrina (Brown) 33 AL; Almira 14 MS; John B 12 MS; Margaret 10 MS; Thomas 8 MS; Joseph 7 MS; James 5 MS; Mary 2 MS. m 11-23-1834 Monroe Co AL. son of John and Catherine (Myers) Laurderdale Co MS, pg 378 John HAMRICK 63 GA; Catherine (Myers) 56 SC; Burwell 16 AL; Dennis Welch 22 AL; Amanda 5 MS. m 4-23-1809 Washington Co GA. son of Thomas and Sarah (Scurlock). War of 1812 Pensioner.

Yea, that's kids for you!!! But wait till they get about 50 years old and watch their eyes light up when they read all the info you have collected on all of their ancestors. Jewel -----Original Message----- From: BBarnes525@aol.com <BBarnes525@aol.com> To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com <HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [HAMRICK-L] Jones Book >Mr. Jones was definitely not a scholar. I don't think he had but a few years >of formal education. I guess writing the Hamrick book was his hobby. The book >lists my gg-grandfather's mother as being a second wife who never existed or >maybe I just haven't proven it yet. > >By the way, my kids are teenagers and it is hard to teach them anything. When >I start mentioning ancestors or relating history tidbits, their eyes roll >back into their heads. They do know that their great-great-grandmother was a >Hamrick. It is a popular name around here. > >Bev Barnes >Shelby, NC >

Mr. Jones was definitely not a scholar. I don't think he had but a few years of formal education. I guess writing the Hamrick book was his hobby. The book lists my gg-grandfather's mother as being a second wife who never existed or maybe I just haven't proven it yet. By the way, my kids are teenagers and it is hard to teach them anything. When I start mentioning ancestors or relating history tidbits, their eyes roll back into their heads. They do know that their great-great-grandmother was a Hamrick. It is a popular name around here. Bev Barnes Shelby, NC

Owen Co KY, pg 236 James HAMBRICK 25 KY; Jane (Simpson) 22 KY; Mary E 5 KY; Wiliam T. 3 KY. m 5-21-1845 Owen Co. Owen Co KY pg 243 Henderson HIGHTCHEW 41 KY; Lucinda (HAMBRICK) 38 KY; William 12 KY; Robert 10 KY; Louisa 7 KY; Lucinda 5 KY. m 2-13-1835 Owen Co. dau. of Eleanor HAMBRICK. Owen Co KY, pg 244 John HAMBRICK 24 KY; Lulelda HAMBRICK 26 KY; Mary HAMBRICK 21 KY; Nancy HAMBRICK 12 KY. Are these children of Sarah Hambrick Stewart of Grant Co KY? Owen Co KY, pg 244 Robert Goode 39 VA; Nancy (Hambrick) 30 VA; Lucretia 9 KY; Haynes __ KY. m 9-23- 1839. dau of Eleanor Hambrick. Owen Co KY, pg 244 John Lorance 43 KY; Hannah (Hambrick) 34 KY; William 18 KY; Elvessa 14 KY; John 12 KY; Magaret 8 KY; REbecca 6 KY: Nancy 4 KY. m 2-8-1826. dau. of Eleanor Hambrick. Scott Co KY, pg 465 Fielding HAMBRICK 43 KY; Priscilla 42 KY; Newton 20 KY; Urias 17 KY; James W. 14 KY; Sarah P. 12 KY; Delilah 6 KY; Fielding 4 KY. son of Jesse & Lydia (Martin). Scott Co KY, pg 499 James (HAMBRICK) 45 KY; Nancy (Wigginton) 29 KY; Eveline 19 KY; Louisa 14 KY; Simon 3 KY. m 8-14-1848, second wife. first wife may have been Cynthia. son of Jesse and Lydia (Martin). Scott Co KY, pg 499 Jesse HAMBRICK 47 KY; Delilah (Parker) 45 KY; Wilfred 20 KY; Jesse 19 KY; Eliza Jane 16 KY; Evermont 12 KY; Parker 5 KY; Sandford 21 KY; Susan (Gayle) 16 KY. son of Jesse and Lydia (Martin) m 1-14-1827 Scott Co. Sandford and Susan (Gayle) m 4-14-1850 Scott Co.

Hey, Dan, try going to the places he visited by horse & wagon or maybe riding just a good ole mule. Jewel HAMBRICK Casey -----Original Message----- From: HAMRICK,DANIEL <dhamrick@neo.rr.com> To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com <HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:16 PM Subject: [HAMRICK-L] The Jones Affair >Dear Kith n' kin: > As a Hamrick, I've been trying to figure out a way I could get involved >in the debate over the Jones' book. And I just can't think of one. > >dhamrick@neo.rr.com >Dan Hamrick >402 23rd Street NW >Canton OH 44709 >Phone: 1-330-454-2376 >Cell: 1-330-284-1913 >

Pat; I believe that Mr. Jones started wring his notes for his book about 1870. Yet it was about 1910 before he decided to make o book of it. How many places could Mr. Jones have gone during that time period to verify anything. The records are still hard to verify sometimes!!! I guess what I'm trying to say is "to each his own" and correct his errors as we find them. He was surely not a teenager when his book was published in 1920. And accounting to those times when he lived, who was teaching genealogy??? And who says that we're right??? Thanks for your info. Jewel -----Original Message----- From: motesp@hiwaay.net <motesp@hiwaay.net> To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com <HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [HAMRICK-L] Jones Book >Dear Bev and List, > >From what I've been told and read, Mr. Jones did not bother to check out >any of his "facts." He apparently didn't spend a great deal of time at >libraries or archives, visiting courthouses or reading newspapers. > >Bev writes, "He could only write down what he was told....." Of course, he >could have verified what he was told!! And I find no evidence of that. > >And Bev, if your own kids can't tell you the names of their grandparents, >shame on you for not teaching them (assuming they are over 5). > >Bev also wrote, "His book is a good starting point...." and "A clue from >his book can point you in the right direction...." I dispute both those >point. A clue from his book pointed me in the wrong direction for years!!! > And now the task of having to disprove some of the things he wrote is >wasting a lot of our time. > >J. R. wrote (several days ago), "Before you ask, I will say I consider his >work very good evidence. He lived among these persons and traveled about >for over forty years recording the verbal genealogy of all the grandmothers >and other family members who contributed. You can find many errors in his >work, spelling, nick names, confused marriages and children but the basic >framework is correct." Whenever you can find "many errors" in someone's >work along with "confused marriages and children", I have a hard time >agreeing that the work in question is very good anything - much less >evidence. (I had an aunt, Carrie Bell Springer Hillhouse) who lived in >the Fall River, TN community for 68 years; she never lived anywhere else. >Yet when she submitted data about the Hillhouse Cemetery for publication in >a local cemetery book, her directions weren't even close. She missed it by >two miles, had it on the wrong side of the creek, and made up the names and >dates on the field stones to match stories she thought she had heard.) > >As I have said before, my husband's HAMRICK aunt lied for years about her >date of marriage and went so far as to change the date in the marriage book >at the courthouse (never realizing that the courthouse has three books - >one listed by brides, one by grooms, and one copies of the license). She >didn't want anyone to know that the date of her church wedding was her real >wedding date since the baby arrived six months later; she maintained that >she had eloped months earlier and cited the license as her "proof." If >anyone would try to pin her down to specifics, she had a tendency to change >the subject. Another Hamrick aunt changed the date her son married. Same >reason. > >Both of these instances were easy to check (verify, as it were) with a trip >to the courthouse. But I've found no evidence that Mr. Jones even >attempted to verify anything. (The second source for both of the above >referenced stories were the records of the church. The third source was a >newspaper account of the marriages. And the final, rather funny, source >about Dot was a comment in one of the gossip columns that Dot's daughter >was claimed to be a premature baby but weighed 9 lbs. 2 oz.) Once upon a >time it was taboo to have a child out of wedlock - or in the cases above, >early. Families went to great lengths to hid such disgraces. Mothers >raised their grandchildren as their own to protect their daughters' good >names. Mr. Jones may not have "known" he was being misled, but he could >have checked before he published. > >So, did Martha (Patsy) MOZLEY marry John HAMBRICK and have Benjamin, >Catherine, Eliza, and Simmedy? Or was that something Mr. Jones just wrote >because someone once said that? And if she did, where's the evidence? And >after Patsy died (or left - no mention of what happened to her), did the >same John marry Nancy TODD? Or was it a different John who married Nancy >Todd? > >And who can tell me what happened to Salathy and Selety HAM(B)RICK? Or >Marshall? > >These folks are all mentioned in Mr. Jones' book. What happened to them? > >Pat >motesp@hiwaay.net >

Oops, just read your next posting about Susannah! Thanks, G

Tressie: I have copies of the census 1850 - 1870, but not 1880 -- I would like it if you could provide!! Was Susannah a Hamrick or Loveless? It is still my understanding that wife #1 was named Frances, no maiden name found, and I'm still confused about Udoxy/Essa Stone/Runyans.....Thanks for your attempts to save me from this murky pool!! Ginger

Breckenridge Co KY, pg 141 Albert HAMBRICK 32 VA; Mary A Rollins 67 VA; Thomas Kellam 10 KY; Ellen Kellam 12 KY. Mrs. Mary A Hambrick to Edward Rawlings 4-17-1823 Hardin Co KY. Think she was the widow of a William Ham(b)rick, Pittsylvania Co VA. Fleming Co KY, pg 344 Lewis HAMBRICK 67 VA; Constant (Arnold) 66 VA; Daniel Crow 40 KY; Elizabeth Null 10 KY; John Arnold 93 VA. m 1-10-1805 Fleming Co. Lewis had a brother John Hamrick who m Rebecca (Thurman). Fleming Co KY, pg 354 Joseph Alexander 65 NC; Fanny (HAMBRICK) 69 VA; Sarah 40 KY; ellen M 28 KY; James M 24 KY. m 3-13-1808 Fleming Co. dau. of William and Stacy (Fitzgerald). Grant Co KY, pg 302 Elisha Wharton 33 KY; Margaret (HAMBRICK) 29 KY; John 3 KY; Sarah J 1 KY; Mary 4/12 KY. dau. of Eleanor Hambrick (?) Grant Co KY, pg 332 Harrod Stewart 47 KY; Sarah (Hambrick) 47 KY; Mary J. Stewat 24 KY; Reuben Stewart 12 KY; William S Stewart 8 KY. m 3-21-1837 Owen Co KY. She had Hambrick children, so was she a widow prior to the Stewart marriage? Jessamine Co KY, pg 7 Green HAMBRICK 28 KY; Martha (Brown Casey) 27 KY; Nancy J 6 KY; Ann m. 1 KY. m 2-10-1843. son of John and Betsy (Isbell/Isabell) Jessamine Co KY, pg 7 Thomas HAMBRICK 31 KY; Frances (Jacobs) 26 IL; H. H. [m] 11 KY; Mary A. 8 KY; John T. 6 KY; Jane E. 3 KY; Frances W. 2 KY; Mathew Jacobs 63 KY. m 5-21-1839. son of John and Betsy (Isabell) Jessamine Co KY, pg 13 John HAMBRICK 23 KY; Amanda (Jacobs) 25 KY; James 6/12 KY. m 10-14-1847. son of John and Betsy (Isabell) Jessamine Co KY, pg 17 John HAMBRICK 60 TN; Elizabeth (Isabel) 58 KY; Malinda 14 KY. m 3-31-1813. Kenton Co KY, pg 287 Frances (Hume) HAMBRICK 45 VA; Jane 16 OH; Emeline 15 OH. widow of James, son of Gilson. m 4-13-1819 Campbell Co KY. Kenton Co KY, pg 288 John HAMBRICK 26 KY; Elizabeth (Ambrose) 24 Wales; Mary F 6 KY; Elizabeth 4 KY; Ambrasey 2 KY; Mariah Manley __ Ireland. son of James and Frances (Hume) Kenton Co KY, page __ Thomas P Thornton 48 VA; Frances (Hambrick) 47 KY; Thomas D 22 KY; Benjami n F 15 KY; Sophia M 12 KY; Siberius 10 KY; Sarah A Holly 20 KY; Wiliam E Holly l/12 KY. m 9-6-1824 Campbell Co KY. dau of Gilson and Sarah (Thomas). Lewis Co KY, pg 171 Jesse HAMBRICK 63 VA; Sarah (Smith) 56 MD; Martha 22 KY; Elijah 39 KY. son of William and (Stacy )Fitzgerald. m 12-27-1810, Lewis Co KY. Lewis Co KY, pg 175 William Ruggles 36 KY; Matilda (Hambrick) 36 KY; William F 10; Jesse H 8 KY; Frances H 7 KY; James H 5 KY; Hester A 4 KY; Sarah 1 KY. m 1-1-1839. dau of Jesse and Sarah (Smith).

Dear Kith n' kin: As a Hamrick, I've been trying to figure out a way I could get involved in the debate over the Jones' book. And I just can't think of one. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone: 1-330-454-2376 Cell: 1-330-284-1913

Dear Bev and List, >From what I've been told and read, Mr. Jones did not bother to check out any of his "facts." He apparently didn't spend a great deal of time at libraries or archives, visiting courthouses or reading newspapers. Bev writes, "He could only write down what he was told....." Of course, he could have verified what he was told!! And I find no evidence of that. And Bev, if your own kids can't tell you the names of their grandparents, shame on you for not teaching them (assuming they are over 5). Bev also wrote, "His book is a good starting point...." and "A clue from his book can point you in the right direction...." I dispute both those point. A clue from his book pointed me in the wrong direction for years!!! And now the task of having to disprove some of the things he wrote is wasting a lot of our time. J. R. wrote (several days ago), "Before you ask, I will say I consider his work very good evidence. He lived among these persons and traveled about for over forty years recording the verbal genealogy of all the grandmothers and other family members who contributed. You can find many errors in his work, spelling, nick names, confused marriages and children but the basic framework is correct." Whenever you can find "many errors" in someone's work along with "confused marriages and children", I have a hard time agreeing that the work in question is very good anything - much less evidence. (I had an aunt, Carrie Bell Springer Hillhouse) who lived in the Fall River, TN community for 68 years; she never lived anywhere else. Yet when she submitted data about the Hillhouse Cemetery for publication in a local cemetery book, her directions weren't even close. She missed it by two miles, had it on the wrong side of the creek, and made up the names and dates on the field stones to match stories she thought she had heard.) As I have said before, my husband's HAMRICK aunt lied for years about her date of marriage and went so far as to change the date in the marriage book at the courthouse (never realizing that the courthouse has three books - one listed by brides, one by grooms, and one copies of the license). She didn't want anyone to know that the date of her church wedding was her real wedding date since the baby arrived six months later; she maintained that she had eloped months earlier and cited the license as her "proof." If anyone would try to pin her down to specifics, she had a tendency to change the subject. Another Hamrick aunt changed the date her son married. Same reason. Both of these instances were easy to check (verify, as it were) with a trip to the courthouse. But I've found no evidence that Mr. Jones even attempted to verify anything. (The second source for both of the above referenced stories were the records of the church. The third source was a newspaper account of the marriages. And the final, rather funny, source about Dot was a comment in one of the gossip columns that Dot's daughter was claimed to be a premature baby but weighed 9 lbs. 2 oz.) Once upon a time it was taboo to have a child out of wedlock - or in the cases above, early. Families went to great lengths to hid such disgraces. Mothers raised their grandchildren as their own to protect their daughters' good names. Mr. Jones may not have "known" he was being misled, but he could have checked before he published. So, did Martha (Patsy) MOZLEY marry John HAMBRICK and have Benjamin, Catherine, Eliza, and Simmedy? Or was that something Mr. Jones just wrote because someone once said that? And if she did, where's the evidence? And after Patsy died (or left - no mention of what happened to her), did the same John marry Nancy TODD? Or was it a different John who married Nancy Todd? And who can tell me what happened to Salathy and Selety HAM(B)RICK? Or Marshall? These folks are all mentioned in Mr. Jones' book. What happened to them? Pat motesp@hiwaay.net

Bev, I agree with you!!! Jones worked with what ever sources he had at hand in that time period. I think it's great that he did as much as he did. Where would we be without our ancestors word of mouth, Bible records, etc. It don't have to be printed in a court record somewhere for it to be true. I appreciate things that my grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins or even friends of theirs told me, because sometimes that's all the proof we can find. And as far as going back before the Rev. War, it's very hard to connect with people who didn't have middle names, meaning that we might have a dozen James, Robert, Benjamin who all may sound the same but in fact are in a completely different family. So I say thanks to S.C. Jones for his contribution to genealogy. Jewel -----Original Message----- From: BBarnes525@aol.com <BBarnes525@aol.com> To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com <HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:55 AM Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Jones Book >Dear JR & List: >The folks in Shelby, NC will tell you that Mr. Jones would stop by to visit >Hamrick families and would ask who the children married and the names of the >grandchildren. He would usually stop at dinner time and would be invited to >eat with the family. If the woman of the family was a good cook, he would >stop by several times to get the family history! > >He could only write down what he was told so I think any errors are just >honest mistakes told him by the actual families questioned. I don't think my >own kids could tell you the names of their grandparents. His book is a good >starting point for any of the Cleveland/Rutherford surnames. A clue from his >book can point you in the right direction for a marriage license. As with all >genealogy material in print, you have to be willing to prove it with >documentation. The problem is when people accept the Jones info as gospel >truth and put it on websites and incorporate it in their own family trees >without checking it out first. > >Bev Barnes >

Union Co IL, pg 215 John HEMRECK 63 NC; Phebe (Morrison) 60 NC. m 12-20-1806 Surry Co NC. son of Henry Sr. page 215 Joseph HEMRICK 54 NC. in hh of Rhoda (Hamrick) Osburn, who m Samue Osbrn 1-15-1832 Union Co. Page 216 James HEMRICK 12 IL. in hh of William and Nancy Butcher. Page 219 Henry HAMRIC 24 KY; Mary (Norman) 20 __. m 2-17-1850 Union Co. page 229 Harriett HAMRICK 15 IL. in hh of John and Margaret Sherrill Page 320 Hyram HAMBRICK 20 IL. in hh with several Taylor, Nash and Aldridge persons.

Adams Co IL, pg 27 Farrow HAMRICK 45 VA; Polly (Wilkes?) 39 KY; James 17 IL; Sally 15 IL; Lydia A 14 IL; Rebecca 12 IL; William 10 IL; Nancy E 5 IL; John S. 2 IL. Bureau Co IL, pg 260 Westley HAMRICK 21 OH; Matilda Ann Hamrick 16 OH. son of John & Elizabeth (Spenny) Pge 275 Wm HAMBRICK 27 OH, Sarah 26 OH; Hiram 6 IL; Loren 3 IL; Lewis C 11/12 IL. s/o John & Elizabeth (Spenny) Page 275 Amos HAMBRICK 27 OH; Matilda 30 OH; John S 11 IA; Mary 8 IL; Frances 5 IL; Edward 1 IL. s/o John and Elizabeth (Spenny) page 275 Elizabeth (Spenny) HAMBRICK 54 VA; Harrison 19 OH; Lydia 17 OH. m 4-1-1810 Culpeper Co VA. son of John and Nancy (Hazelrigg) Page 275 James HAMBRICK 35 OH; Rachel (Mackley) 34 OH; John 12 OH; elizabeth 11 OH; christina 9 IL; Ann J 4 IL; Rebecca 1 IL. m 5-24-1837 Coshocton Co OH. son of John and Elizabeth (Spenny). Crawford Co IL, pg 220 Sarah E HAMBRICK 12 KY. in hh of Warner Ford. dau. of William and Mary (Ford) Hambrick, who married 9-11-1837 Henry Co KY. Jackson Co IL, pg 246 William HAMBRICK 19 IL. in hh of Henry and Elizabeth (Hambrick) Buckells. Page 255 Abraham (Adam) HAMBRICK 65 SC (NC); Sarah (Manning) 50 SC; Elmirey 14 IL; Henry 10 IL; Patsy A 8 IL. m/1 Kitty Taylor 3-27-1816 Logan Co KY. m/2 Sarah mannign 8-31-1848 Jackson Co IL. son of Henry Sr, Surry Co NC/Logan Co KY. Knox Co IL, pg 448 Allen HAMRICK 26 OH; Sarah (Combs) 19 OH; Rebecca 1 IL. m 10-23-1845. son of John and Rebecca (Thurman) Page 448 John G. HAMRICK 24 OH; Sarah Ann (Faris) 23 KY; Josephine 3 OH; Mary A 1 OH. m 5-12-1845 Fleming Co KY. son of John and Rebecca (Thurman). Page 448 Lewis HAMRICK 28 OH; Elizabeth (Combs) 24 OH; Mary A 4 IL; John D 1 IL; Adolphur 9/12 IL. son of John and Rebecca (Thurman) Page 448 Rebecca (Thurman) HAMBRICK 61 VA; Margaret 15 OH. in hh of William and Lydia (Hamrick) Clevanger. Page 463 Henry HAMRICK 36 KY; Isabell(McGrew) 36 OH; John 12 OH; Lydia 6 OH; Henry 1 IL; Chrles Craft 16 Unk; Rebecca 4 OH. m 11-3-1836 Highland Co OH. son of John and Rebecca (Thurman).

Dear JR & List: The folks in Shelby, NC will tell you that Mr. Jones would stop by to visit Hamrick families and would ask who the children married and the names of the grandchildren. He would usually stop at dinner time and would be invited to eat with the family. If the woman of the family was a good cook, he would stop by several times to get the family history! He could only write down what he was told so I think any errors are just honest mistakes told him by the actual families questioned. I don't think my own kids could tell you the names of their grandparents. His book is a good starting point for any of the Cleveland/Rutherford surnames. A clue from his book can point you in the right direction for a marriage license. As with all genealogy material in print, you have to be willing to prove it with documentation. The problem is when people accept the Jones info as gospel truth and put it on websites and incorporate it in their own family trees without checking it out first. Bev Barnes

Hendricks Co IN, pg 32 John T. HAMRICK 34 KY; Peline (Davis) 28 NC; John W. 6 IN; Thomas E 6 IN; James C 2 IN; Mary Ann Hiatt 18 IN. m 12-30-1842 Putnam Co IN. son of Thomas F. 1820 Estell Co KY, 1830 Montgomery Co KY. Page 77 Wm F. HAMRICK 36 KY; Jane (Crawford) 30 KY; James 11 IN; Laurie 9 IN: Charity 8 IN; Mary 6 IN; Marcellus 4 IN; Sarah 2 IN; Stephen Sharp 21 IN. m/1 2-16-1837 Hendricks Co. m/2 Dicy Blackburn 18 Nov 1852 Putnam Co IN. son of Thomas F., brother of John T. Marion Co IN, pg 336 Gilson HAMRICK 87 VA & Sarah (Thomas) Hamrick 86 VA. in hh of Isaac W and Elizabeth (Hamrick) Baylor. m 11-9-1785 Fauquier Co VA, son of Benj. & Mary (Sias) Hamrick. Putnam Co IN, pg 449 Hannah (Tatman) Hamrick Attenson 54 KY; James Hamrick 23 KY. Hannah widow and second wife of Thomas F. James m Louise Brothers 15 May 1851. Mrs. Hannah Hambrick m Richard Atkinson, 17 July 1843. She later returned to the name Hamrick. Daughter Miriam Hamrick m William Thompson 4 Oct 1849. Page 473 George Hammrick 44 IN; Mary 40 KY; Sarah A 15 IL; Simai (?) 9 IN; Mary 5 IN; George W 1 IN. Page 483 Jesse HAMBRICK 21 KY; Polly A (Swinford) 18 Iowa. son of Thomas F and Hannah (Tatman). m 30 Jly 1848. Page 559 Ambrose D HAMRICK 42 KY; Eliza (Simpson) 39 KY; Solomon S 19 KY; Mary F 17 IN; Lucinda 14 IN; Sarah 11 IN; Charles C 5 IN; Walter S 1 IN. m 11-16-1829 Mason Co KY. son of Gilson and Sarah (Thomas). Owen Co IN, pg 14 John HAMBRICK 30 MO?; Eliza (McCullough) 28 KY; Nancy J 8 IN; Sarah E 7 IN; Margaret A 3 IN; Susan 1 IN. m 5-29-1842 Owen Co. son of William and Sarah (Shores) Page 80 Wm HAMRICK 72 VA; Sarah (Shores) 69 PA; Robert McCullough 25 KY; Tamer (Hamrick) McCullough 18 KY; William McCullough 2 IN. son of William and Betsy (Fitzgerald)

Sarah age 22 was born in NC, from census, so would guess she was a Hamrick. T.

Right, the three youngest children: William, John, & Harvey (Harry) would belong to both Thomas and Udoxy. I also have them 1860-1880 if you need. Wonder if the book mixed up wife #2 Stone Loveless with wife #1 Runyan??? The 1830 census of Rutherford Co shows three Runyan families, but none in 1840. Rutherford marriages: Jeremiah Runyan & Tabitha Collins, 1 July 1829, David HAMRICK, bond. Which "may" indicate that the Hamrick and Runyans were not total strangers!!! The 1830 GA index shows a Hiram Runyan in Gwinett Co, pg 358. Tressie

J R wrote: "Currently there are about six sites that give credit to the emigrant Patrick Sr.... can you give us these URLs? Thanks! Sandy