Great! Thanks. This kind of sharing is what makes genealogy so much fun. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 >From: "Cynthia Brown" <pocotwo@hotmail.com> >To: dhamrick@neo.rr.com >Subject: Additions to List >Date: Sun, Dec 5, 1999, 4:08 PM > >Eugene Cameron Hamrick married Jacquline Sylvia Everson on 19 Jun 1955 in >Balitmore, MD. Jacquline was born 7 Oct. 1932 in Barbour Co. W.VA. she died >16 Mar. 1976 in Youngstown, Ohio. Children from this marriage: >Cynthia Lyvon Hamrick Brown >27 Oct. 1953 >Michael Eugene Hamrick >23 Jun 1956 >Sheila Gene Hamrick Timmins >7 Oct. 1960 >Freeman Carey Hamrick >22 Nov. 1965 >died 24 Nov 1965 >Lehman Cameron Hamrick >22 Nov. 1965 >died 25 Sep. 1968 >Need anything elese let me know. >I have a homepage with ancestry.com under Hamrick/Brown >Cindy > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Cynthia and list: This is the way I have the family of Eugene Hamrick. I have no information on his spouse, your mother, or on any of the children. You can do me and the list a favor by providing it. If there are errors, please report to me at the address at the end. You may be interested to know that because of the work of one of your cousins, Wilton Hamrick, this is one of the most thoroughly researched groups within the Hamrick family. I believe Wilton provided much of the information used in Les Hamrick's "Roots and Wings." Wilton was known for his accuracy. A large group of descendants of Thomas M. and Jane Baughman Hamrick come to the family reunion on Point Mountain, WV, on the fourth weekend in August. This is an ahnentafel chart. To find a father, multiply the person by two. To find a son, divide by two. To find a mother, multiply by two and add one. Thus, Happy Jack's father has the number eight and his mother the number nine. The numbers in the index beside the names are meaningless here. 1 Eugene Hamrick and his ancestors. 2 Elsie Monroe Hamrick. Born on 14 Jul 1903 in Webster County, WV. Elsie Monroe died in Webster County, WV on 24 Jun 1964; he was 60. On 4 Jul 1922 when Elsie Monroe was 18, he married Nettie Lough, in Webster County, WV. 3 Nettie Lough. 4 Jackson "Happy Jack" Hamrick. Born on 2 Jun 1874. Jackson "Happy Jack" died on 24 Jan 1960; he was 85. On 3 Apr 1902 when Jackson "Happy Jack" was 27, he married Lina Tacy. 5 Lina Tacy. 6 Gilbert Lough. Gilbert married Lena Lough. 7 Lena Lough. 8 Thomas M. Hamrick. Born on 29 Jul 1849 in Randolph County, Now WV. Thomas M. died in Bergoo, WV on 1 Apr 1937; he was 87. On 5 Dec 1872 when Thomas M. was 23, he married Jane Baughman, in Webster County, WV. 9 Jane Baughman. 10 William Tacy. William married Victoria Knapp. 11 Victoria Knapp. 16 James "Curly Jim" Hamrick. Born abt 1824. James "Curly Jim" died abt 1890; he was 66. James "Curly Jim" married Jane Miller. 17 Jane Miller. Born in 1830. 18 David Baughman. David married Mattie Baughman. 19 Mattie Baughman. 32 David Hamrick. Born in Jan 1796 in Greenbrier Co. David died on 25 Oct 1875; he was 79. Buried in Peter Hamrick Cemetery, Believed To Be Graves Marked By. David married Elizabeth Miller. 33 Elizabeth Miller. Born in 1804 in Bath Co., VA. Elizabeth died in 1876; she was 72. Buried in Peter Hamrick Cemetery, Believed To Be. 64 Benjamin Hamrick. Born in 1755 in Fauquier County, VA. Benjamin died in near Bergoo, WV in 1842; he was 87. Buried in Cemetery is on family homestead near Bergoo, WV. Occupation: Farmer; Soldier;. In 1779 when Benjamin was 24, he married Nancy McMillian, in Fauquier County, VA. 65 Nancy McMillian. 66 Francis Miller. Born in 1771. Francis died in 1841; he was 70. On 7 May 1790 when Francis was 19, he married Eva Burns, in Bath County, VA, formed in 1790 from Aususta. 67 Eva Burns. 128 Benjamin Hamrick Sr. Born in 1725 in King George County. Occupation: "The Overseer"; Supervisor Of Anglican Church Properties. abt 1750/1752 when Benjamin was 25, he married Mary Sias, in Prince William Co., VA. 129 Mary Sias. 130 John McMillian. John married Martha Palmer. 131 Martha Palmer. 132 Patrick Miller. Born in 1732 in On Trip To America. Patrick died in Dec 1815; he was 83. Occupation: Soldier In Revolutionary War. Patrick married Margaret. 133 Margaret. 256 Patrick Hamrick. Born abt 1689. Believed buried at Clover Hill Farm Cemetery, Manassas, VA. abt 1726 when Patrick was 37, he married Margaret Ingles, in Prince William County. 257 Margaret Ingles. Believed born in 1691. 258 John Sias. John died in 1773 in Faquier County, VA. 264 John Miller. Born in Ulster, Northern Ireland. John died abt 1785 in Near Staunton, Va., Probably At Home Of Son Patrick. John married Martha. Index ? Margaret 133 Martha 265 Baughman David 18 Jane 9 Mattie 19 Burns Eva 67 Cox Sara 515 Hamrick Benjamin Sr. 128 Benjamin 64 David 32 Elsie Monroe 2 Eugene 1 Jackson "Happy Jack" 4 James "Curly Jim" 16 Patrick 256 Thomas M. 8 Ingles Margaret 257 Robert 514 Knapp Victoria 11 Lough Gilbert 6 Lena 7 Nettie 3 McMillian John 130 Nancy 65 Miller Elizabeth 33 Francis 66 Jane 17 John 264 Patrick 132 Palmer Martha 131 Sias John 258 Mary 129 Tacy Lina 5 William 10 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Please report corrections or additions to... dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376

Dear Cynthia: Was your great grandfather's nickname John Andrew "Happy Jack" Hamrick, son of "James "Curly Jim" Hamrick and Jane Miller? If so, I can provide information on Happy Jack's ancestors and have only that which you provided on his descendants. If so , we are also related. This one may also bring my cousin and editor, Patsy Hamrick-Weikart, out of the California woodwork, such as woodwork dares exist there. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376

OK Gang, This time I tried it and it WORKS! Have fun: Marsha

Dan, Happy Jack is my great grandfather. How are we related and any info you can give me is very helpful. Your editor coming out of woodwork? Thanks, Cindy >From: "HAMRICK,DANIEL" <dhamrick@neo.rr.com> >Reply-To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com >To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Happy Jack? >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:16:02 -0500 > > >Dear Cynthia: > >Was your great grandfather's nickname John Andrew "Happy Jack" Hamrick, son >of "James "Curly Jim" Hamrick and Jane Miller? If so, I can provide >information on Happy Jack's ancestors and have only that which you provided >on his descendants. If so , we are also related. > This one may also bring my cousin and editor, Patsy Hamrick-Weikart, out >of >the California woodwork, such as woodwork dares exist there. > >dhamrick@neo.rr.com >Dan Hamrick >402 23rd Street NW >Canton OH 44709 >Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Thanks for the AL Hamrick marriage data - that was GREAT! Barbara

Geneva N Hamrick/Benjamin A Richey, 27 Oct 1888, Dekalb Co Adaline Hamrick/George Anderson, 28 Apr 1892, Dale Co Bee Hamrick/Horace Lee, 22 Dec 1897, Dale Co Betsy Ann Hamrick/James A Rogers, 31 Dec 1874, Cleburne co Dicy C Hamrick/James W Head, 26 Dec 1860, Butler Co Dora Hamrick/Daniel Carter, 10 Sept 1893, Marion Co Elizabeth Hamrick/Jasper Holloway, 39-51 #1789, Perry Co Ellen Hamrick/Jerry Gilbert, 27 FEb 1898, Dale co Emily Hamrick/Floyd A Dingler, 17 Jan 1878, Cleburne Co Johnie Hamrick/Lee Byrd, 7 May 1908, Butler Co Johnnie Pearl Hamrick/George Taylor, 21 June 1893, Dale Co L. M. Hamrick/Americus Jackson, 25 Oct 1891, Dale Co Lela Hamrick/John Faulk, 31 Aug 1894, Dale Co Louisa Hamrick/John Rowe, 19 Nov 1868, Cleburne Co Mabelle Hamrick/R. E. Williams, 18 June 1927, Cherokee co Mary E Hamrick/Joseph J Rowe, 17 Sept 1866, Calhoun co Mary M. Hamrick/John S Davies, 5 May 1856, Montgomery Co N. R. Hamrick/W. J. McClellan, 29 Oct 1892, Morgan Co Nancy O Hamrick/B. Daniel, 23 Dec 1870, Cleburne Co Sarah J. (Wilson) Hamrick/D. L. Parrish, 29 Aug 1857, Perry Co Mary Hamtrike/Jacob Miller, 14 Nov 1817, Madison Co

M. M. Hambrick/Robert McDaniel, 2 Apr 1866, Lowndes Co Mahala Emeline Hambrick/William P. Rinnard, 26 Jan 1839, Lownds Co Mahulda Hambrick/Thomas D White, 24 June 1834, Madison Co Malinda Hambrick/Allen Nease, 3 Oct 1862, Butler Co Martha J Buckhannon, 20 Sept 1855, Madison Co Mary Hambrick/Andrew W Loveless, 6 Oct 1842, Chambers Co Mary Ann Hambrick/Aaron T Fields, 13 Apr 1836, Jefferson Co Mary V Hambrick/John D Bates, 3 Feb 1898, Jackson Co Minerva Hambrick/John Miller, 11 Dec 1832, Madison Polly Hambrick/Jonathan Edwards, 24 Oct 1852, Madison Co Nancy Hambrick/Alexander A. D. Cole, 3 Nov 1836, Lowndes Co Nancy Hambrick/Joseph G Ivy, 10 May 1838, Marshall Co Nancy Hambrick/Harrison T Loggins, 17 Jan 1861, Blount Co Paulina Hambrick/Samuel Bailey, 9 May 1838, Madison Co R. L. Hambrick, J. P. McClendon, 11 Jan 1881, Tallapoosa Co Rachel E Hambrick/William W Milligan, 26 Mar 1857, Madison Co Rebecca Hambrick/Leonidas Morgan, 13 Aug 1850, Chambers Co Rosie Lisa Hambrick/Johnie Allen, 22 June 1889, Jackson Co Ruth J Hambrick/John W. Nance, 25 Sept 1851, Madison Co Rutha D Hambrick/Robert S Landman, 13 Oct 1864 Madison Co Salina Hambrick/Wilburn Jenkins, 22 Nov 1838, Madison Co Texana Hambrick/Lewis Higgins, 25 Nov 1875, Madison Co Theodosia Hambrick/John R Kelly, 18 Dec 1854, Lowndes Co Viola Hambrick/Jimmie Brooks, 5 Apr 1888, Dale Co Willie Hambrick/Jack Douglass, 21 Dec 1882, Madison Co

Adaline Hambrick/Reuben Baker, 6 Oct 1879, Madison Co Alice Hambrick/Henry D Nixon, 22 Dec 1881, Madison Co Alletha Hambrick/Elzy R. Donaldson, 29 Jan 1846, Lowndes Co Almira Hambrick/Lawson Gunn or Green, 9 Dec 1844, Washington Co Almira Hambrick/Lawson Gunn or Green, 11 Dec 1844, Washington Co Anna Lu Hambrick/Alva C Sanford, 26 Aug 1889, Jackson Co Bettie Hambrick/William Gibson, 27 June 1880, Madison Co Camella C Hambrick/Andrew Karrs, 15 Nov 1855, Benton Co Caroline Hambrick/Isaac Parker, 26 Sept 1848, Madison Co Celah Hambrick/James B or C Gullion, 8 Sept 1836, Marshall Co Celah Hambrick/Larkin D. Walker, 11 Dec 1845, Lowndes Co Cordelia Hambrick/Anderson Gorman, 2 Jan 1880, Madison Co Dicey Hambrick/Josiah Vinson, 30 July 1835, Lowndes Co E. H. Hambrick/A. J. Duett, 12 Feb 1871, Crenshaw also on grooms list E. S. Hambrick/J. W. Laxon, 29 Dec 1875, Madison Co Eliza. Hambrick/Willialm e Cooke or Coker, 39-51 #1442, Perry Co Eliza I/J Hambrick/William I/J Fetch (Fitch), 31 Aug 1865, Madison Co Elizabeth Hambrick/Adam Campbell, 23 May 1830, Madison Co Elizabeth Hambrick/Robert Goodson, 2 Dec 1858, Butler Co Mrs. Elizabeth Hambrick/John Miller, 20 Aug 1865, Blount Co Fannie M Hambrick/William F Laxson, 19 Dec 1877, Madison Co Fannie M Hambrick/George T Moore, 26 Oct 1881, Madison Co Jennie Hambrick/Robert Jones, 2 May 1897, Jackson Co Louisa Hambrick/George H. Campbell, 10 May 1849, Madison Co Lucy J Hambrick/Albert Hewlett, 7 Jan 1880, Madison Co Lucy J Hambrick/Edward B Holmes, 27 June 1877, Madison Co

G. S. Hamric/Ellen Kirksey, 10 June 1883, Dekalb Co J. A. Hamric/E. C. Greene, 21 Jan 1914, Crenshaw Co J. B. Hamric/Emma I Griffin, 31 Mar 1896, Dekalb Co John D Hamric/Lue V Richey, 25 Sept 1890, Dekalb Co W. A. Hamric/M. L. Richey, 1 Dec 1892, Dekalb Co C. E. Hamrick/Mary B Haygood, 11 May 1887, Butler Co Chas. J. Hamrick/Sarah A Williams, 27 Feb 1862, Benton Co Drury Hamrick/Thirsey Elliott, 3 Apr 1833, Blount Co E. S. Hamrick/Murtis Barlow, 13 Dec 1913, Crenshaw Co G. M. Hamrick/J. F. Smith, 20 Jan 1878, Perry Co Henry N Hamrick/Perdida Laminack, 24 Feb 1878, Cleburne Co J. E. Hamrick/Alice Hall, 18 Dec 1898, Dekalb co John F. M. Hamrick/Sarah E Smith, 26 July 1866, Butler Co John T Hamrick/Tempy D. Cupp, 1 Jan 1879, Washington Co L. D. Hamrick/Mariah Welch, 21 Dec 1865, Butler Co Seaborn Hamrick/Sarah Jane Wilson, 28 Sept 1845, Greene Co Wiliam Hamrick/Margaret E Nabors, 7 Nov 1865, Shelby Co William Hamrick/Sley Wilson, 11 Oct 1832, Blount Co William J Hamrick/Martha L. Knight, 13 Dec 1857, Butler Co William T Hamrick/Vashti Woods, 7 May 1870, Cleburne Co James M Hamricks/Catherine E Fordham, 31 Aug 1851, Henry Co Alfred Hanbrick, really Hambrick/Sophronia Donaby, 5 Mar 1867, Madison Co

Alabama Marriages by Family Adventures, San Antonio, TX. J. H. Hambrick/Kizie Tidwell, 20 May 1880, Marshall Co Alfred Hambrick/Mary M. Gurley, 17 Feb 1847, Madison Co [second marriage] Alfred Hambrick/Margaret Ann Walker, 3 Oct 1836, Madison Co Benjamin Hambrick/Parmette Sykes, 31 Mar 1824, Madison Co Chas. S. Hambrick/E. A. McClenden, 18 Dec 1890, Chambers Co E. H. Hambrick/A. J. Duett, 12 Feb 1871, Crenshaw Co Francis J. Hambrick/Frances M Smithey, 31 Oct 1846, Madison Co George A Hambrick/Hattie Brooks, 29 Sept 1895, Jackson Co Hampton Hambrick/Silvey Gilmore, 29 Dec 1872, Bullock Co Harrison T Hambrick/Matilda Touchstone, 5 May 1859, Lowndes Co Isaac Hambrick/Nancy Marsh, 24 July 1856, Blount Co J. Franklin Hambrick/M. E. Toney, 15 Dec 1879, Madison Co J. H. Hambrick/Nancy Pace, 14 Sept 1892, Jackson Co Jason Hambrick/Jane Damron, 21 Jan 1820, Madison Co John Hambrick/Louisa Matilda Cones, 3 Sept 1835, Lowndes Co Joseph Hambrick/Louisa C Bailey, 4 Oct 1853, Madison Co [third marr.] Joseph Hambrick/Margaret Blackburn, 17 Feb 1852, Madison Co [second marr.] Joseph Hambrick/Mary A. R. Maxwell, 12 Dec 1844, Limestone Co [second marr.] Joseph M Hambrick/Lucy J Whitman, 30 Sept 1852 Madison Co Robert Hambrick/Frances Moon, 31 July 1867, Madison Co Robert D Hambrick/Hannah A Patillo, 25 Sept 1861, Madison Co Thomas Hambrick/Cinai Brown, 23 Nov 1834, Monroe Co [see Lauderdale Co MS] Thomas C Hambrick/Mary E Conner, 23 July 1845, Madison Co Thomas C Hambrick/Sarah E Kelly, 12 Oct 1853, Madison Co [second marr.] Thomas J Hambrick/Mary Jane Bailey, 22 Sept 1867, Cleburne Co W. M. Hambrick/Sarah M Hinshaw, 17 Nov 1897, Jackson Co Wesley Hambrick/Mrs. Demarisa Vann, 21 Aug 1883, Jackson Co [third marr.] William Hambrick/Eliza Jones, 16 Sept 1860, Madison Co William Hambrick/Elizabeth Williams, 10 Sept 1880, Monroe Co William G Hambrick/Amanda M. F. Donalson, 20 July 1843, Lowndes Co William G. Hambrick/Martha Jane Norsworthy, 15 Apr 1858, Lowndes Co William H Hambrick/Nancy M Boman, 7 FEb 1861, Benton Co William M. Hambrick/Mary F Swafford, 2 Mar 1892, Jackson Co John Hambricks/Elizabeth Calvert, 7 Dec 1879, Blount Co Bradford Hambrook really Hambrick/Mary Harper, 25 Feb 1833, Madison Co

Chambers Co AL Will Books 1 & 2, by Nell Orr, 1985. Jeremiah J. Hamerick, dec'd. Peter M. Rowland, adm., 14 April 1855, bond of $2,000, signed by Peter M. Rowland, Charles E Hoadley, J "x" Hamerick, James R. Phillips. Samuel Pearson, Judge of Probate. Tallapossa Co AL Marriages: Book 3: 178. W. G. Slaughter to N. C. Hambrick, 14 Feb 1854, Thos J. Williamson MG Book 1:101. Marcus A Mills to Sarah Hambrick, 10 May 1839, J. W. Lawrence, bond; Thos. D. Berry, JP.

To Bill Davenport - WELCOME to the board. So nice to have another articulate voice. You may be "in your 70's" but the wheels up there are still spinning freely! And another applause to Dan who, as always, is well spoken and diplomatic - keep up the sermons. Nice to know the HAM(B)RICK stock is so alive and well! It's hard to put expression and inflection into an email, so in our "quest for the truth" as Dan says, I hope no one takes offense to questions/comments/rebuttals, etc. All we all want is the facts, and we're all family. Jane

Having erred again, I'm going to give up and post Patsy's own message without her permission: >From: Patsy H Weikart <qmgen@juno.com> >To: dhamrick@neo.rr.com >Subject: Corrections for Dan >Date: Sat, Dec 4, 1999, 9:02 PM > >Hi Dan, > >Robert Bratton as a Captain has no proven facts to support the words. The >only proof about his contribution to the Revolutionary War is furnished >supplies in the capacity of Patriot >Service. Reference; Virginia Revolutionary Publick Claims -Vol. 2 - >published 1992 - >Pages 92 -93-94-96 (Supplies from Robert Bratton from Augusta County, >VA.) >Compiled by Janice L. Abercrombie and Richard Slatten) >I have him as a proven DAR ancestor and wear a gold bar with his name >engraved proudly on my official ribbon for I have proven his line. >For Lewis and Clark - the man was William Bratton not Robert - Reference: >Book - >Undaunted Courage by Stephen E. Ambrose. >My line is Lewis and Clark - two families that were related and married >each other.

My editor, Patsy Hamrick-Weikart, has reminded me as a result of an earlier message that it was Capt. Robert Bratton, not William Bratton, who was the grandfather of Sarah Hanna Given. That's what I have in my genealogy database. But I didn't see much need to correct myself. This is particularly true as long as Patsy is around. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376

The only Andrew I have is Andrew L., Son of Eli Hamrick and grandson of Joseph, brother of Benjamin. Do you have any other clues? Do you know who your great-grandfather's parents were? Where did they live? There are people online that may be able to help. Let me recommend trying "Patsy H Weikart" <qmgen@juno.com> and "J.R. McKinney" <hamrick@home.com, jmckinny@onramp.NET> Have you subscribed to the Hamrick email list? There are many good genealogists on the list. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 ---------- >From: "Cynthia Brown" <pocotwo@hotmail.com> >To: dhamrick@neo.rr.com >Subject: Re: W.VA. Hamricks >Date: Sat, Dec 4, 1999, 6:19 AM > >Dan, >My grat grandfather is John Andrew Jackson Hamrick. >Cindy > > >>From: "HAMRICK,DANIEL" <dhamrick@neo.rr.com> >>To: Cynthia Brown <pocotwo@hotmail.com> >>Subject: Re: W.VA. Hamricks >>Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:54:01 -0500 >> >>Is that "youngstown" Ohio? Do you by any chance know who your great >>grandfather is? >>dhamrick@neo.rr.com >>Dan Hamrick >>402 23rd Street NW >>Canton OH 44709 >>Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 >> >> >> >> >>---------- >> >From: "Cynthia Brown" <pocotwo@hotmail.com> >> >To: dhamrick@neo.rr.com >> >Subject: W.VA. Hamricks >> >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 2:15 PM >> > >> >> >Dan, >> >I am from the W.VA. Hamricks. My father is Eugene C. Hamrick, his father >>is >> >Elsie Monroe, his father is John Andrew. Any info you can give me? I >>have >> >just started this line and for some reason no one wants to talk! >> >Cindy Hamrick Brown >> >2101Cherry Hill >> >Yo. Oh. 44509 >> > >> >______________________________________________________ >> >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

This message is being put on the lists but is in answer to a question from Adam Gregory, a student at West Virginia Wesleyan and an acquaintance and relative of mine. (I am dispensing with much attribution here because of the complexity of this material but I will provide what I have to anyone who asks for it. That is, I will furnish my sources). I cannot state factually that I know that you are descended from Gen. Andrew Lewis, a commander in the French and Indian War and in the Battle of Point Pleasant also known as "Dunmore's War." There was an erroneous report posted earlier from some numbskull that he was in the Revolutionary War. But if the accounts of others are correct, you are related by marriage. Gen. Lewis married Elizabeth Given, daughter of Samuel and Sarah Cathay Given, according to the book "General Andrew Lewis of Roanoke and Greenbrier." According to some Hamrick researchers, you are descended from Samuel and Sarah Cathay Given. In that event your connection would be by marriage. The ancestors of nearly all Webster and Randolph Gregorys are descended from Col. Isaac and Sarah Hannah Given Gregory. Sarah Hannah Given descended from William Given and Nancy Agnes Bratton; William Given from John Given and Mary Margaret Sitlington; and John Given from Samuel Given and Sarah Cathay Given. This is how Autumn Kruer has them, although she said she cannot authenticate them. I have them the same way until it gets to Samuel Given and Sarah Cathay Given, where I had nothing. Marie Hamric Stoneman of Eldon, MO, who has researched the family for nearly 50 years, says the latter connection of John Given as the son of Samuel and Sarah is incorrect. You are connected through Nancy Agness Gregory, first wife of my great-grandfather Peter Hamrick. They had nine children including Lee Andrew "Lee A." Hamrick who married Amanda Hannah. Lee A. and Amanda were the parents of six children including a number of very beautiful women including your great grandmother, Lucy, and the twins, Mertie and Gertie. Peter's wife, Nancy, also was the daughter of Adam Given Gregory and Rebecca Dodrill, and he in turn was the son of Col. Isaac and Sarah Hannah Given Gregory. The other connection is through your great-grandfather Frank Gregory, who was related to Lucy before the marriage. If this is shocking, you can join a very large club in West Virginia. Frank was the son of John Wesley Gregory and Jane Hamrick Dodrill. As I've mentioned that made her Jane Hamrick Dodrill Gregory. What's in a name: Intermarriage, again and again. In any event, John Wesley Gregory's parents were Currence Gregory and Harriet Payne. And guess who Currence Gregory's parents were: Adam Given Gregory and Rebecca Dodrill. So one of Lucy's grandmothers was Nancy Agness Gregory, the daughter of Adam Gregory and Rebecca Dodrill . And her husband, Frank Edmiston, your great-grandfather, was the great grandson of the same couple. Now, although I am sorry to visit this grief-laden message on a relatively innocent young man, I must deliver the bad news too: You and I are closely related because my great-grandfather, Peter Hamrick, was Lucy's grandfather. He was your father's great-great grandfather. Autumn Kruer, I think, can connect you to Capt. Robert Bratton, a member of the Lewis and Clark expedition. Because my great-great grandfather was David Hamrick, Peter's father, I always have been able to deny that I had Gregory or Dodrill blood. But I must confess now that I am related to many of them. David had married Elizabeth Miller, while William and Benjamin married sisters who were daughters of Isaac and Sarah Gregory. I would invite your participation in the quest for family history. You have thousands of relatives in West Virginia and throughout the United States. The first thing you should do is become a member of the Gregory email list. Lisa Gregory <wvgregory@erols.com> can help you with that if you have not already become a member. You should know too that the pioneer history of the families (Gregory, Dodrill, Hamrick) is closely intertwined with that of the early days of the Methodist Church. And the Wesleyan Library is reputed to be a great repository of the material. A great contribution to family history could be made if someone could compile the early history of the Hamrick Barn and the Pleasant Grove Methodist Church. I swear that I once saw minutes of early meetings in which some members were expelled from the church for one reason or another. If the early information is correct, you would have more than one connection to the parents of Gen. Andrew Lewis. The reason is that Lucy Gregory's paternal grandmother was Nancy Agness Gregory and her father was Frank Gregory. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 ---------- From: "adam gregory" <gregory_ad@wvwc.edu> To: <dhamrick@neo.rr.com> Subject: Date: Tue, Nov 30, 1999, 9:47 PM dan, how do i trace back to this Andrew Lewis? Adam

I too get that spelling with my name! Also HAMBRICK, HAMMERICK, HAMMICK and HAMRIC among others and the correct way to spell my name is Christian Mark HAMRICK.

I'm seeking to respond to Bill Davenport without trying to argue. I don't think anyone's mind may not be beset by doubt on the question about various West Virginia Hamricks or, in our case, about Gregorys or Dodrills. One of the great ironies of the intensive and extensive research is that none of us has proof of the parents of the patriarchs, Patrick Hamrick, Col. Isaac Greogry or English Bill Dodrill. I appreciate your own message because I agree that consensus doesn't mean correctness. (In West Virginia, it was until recently an article of faith that Benjamin Hamrick was a scout for Washington from Valley Forge to Yorktown, and it was repeated by relatives. But it was only partially true). People like Mills Bridges, Steve Bridges, Tressie Neely, J.R. McKinney and Allen Hamrick, are greater authorities on North Carolina Hamricks and Hamricks in general than me, a descendant from West Virginia. What I understand the problem to be is that they can, in fact, trace documents through to many of the North Carolina Hamricks. If I'm wrong about this, I stand to be corrected. I do not think any of them � or most of the rest of us � would be adverse to reading a document that would show the facts and, as best as I know, there has never been a document linking Patrick or "German George" with any location in Europe. We have some documentation on sons of Patrick born before Hans Jerg came to America in 1731. So it is difficult to trace those people to Hans Jerg. But it may not be that difficult to trace others. I for one have maintained the view that the Hans Jerg crew had to have descendants too. One of the questions that does get too little attention: What were the links to the Harmick immigrants who arrived in 1731? Where are they? Who are they? What were the origins, even various origins, of Hamricks in Europe? I have noted that there are Hamricks in Dublin; there are Hamricks in Hamburg; and there are Hamriks in Holland. It is gospel with Charles Hamrick that the family originated in Holland. Mayme Hamrick wrote in 1938 it was England. So we have miles to go before we sleep. Are we not talking about a quest for information? Are we not talking about pursuing different paths? Blind acceptance is acquiescence to dogma, and it is Public Enemy Number One of the truth. I think debate about detail is a part of the process. I say something. You challenge it. If you are correct, I learn something. If you are not, you learn something. I've noticed on various lists I'm on that someone posts something and someone else takes it personally. Sometimes it even is posted initially in a way that is personal. I think we all need to relax more and enjoy the hunt � the quest for the truth. When a connection becomes provably true, we can have the smug satisfaction that we helped get there by insistence on the truth and refusing to be diverted from the goal. I for one have no quarrel with North Carolina Hamricks. There are too darn many of them anyway. I thought at one time it was impossible for there to be more Hamricks than there were in Webster County, WV; Rimfire Hamrick claimed 4,000 relatives in the county in his lifetime. Then I saw a list of the Hamricks in Shelby, NC, and I had to acknowledge they had us beat. If the North Carolina and West Virginia Hamricks ever went to war, they'd have to have divisions or legions. Thanks for listening to my latest sermon. Someimes even I wish I were more reverent than irreverent. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 ---------- >From: Bill Davenport <davenport@brooksdata.net> >To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Our German ancestors >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 10:41 AM > >Good morning > >Until 6 months ago I was unaware of Hamrick kinship. As I began looking >into the Hamrick geneaolgy, I became aware of the Patrick controversy. >Four years of postings to RootsWeb reveal much about the matter. >Lately, it seems that those who disagree with the Patrick Hamrick theory >have been intimidated into silence and that's a pity. Consensus does >not necessarily mean correctness. >After considering available information, I'd like to say that I believe >my North Carolina Hamrick ancestors originated in Germany...not Ireland. >Many people today believe that our ability to operate autos, VCRs, >computers and the like is an example of our superior intelligence over >our ancestors. We should understand, however, that our ancestors >inability to read and write had nothing to do with a lack of mental >acuity. >As a septuagenarian, I can recall, as a child, talking to elderly folks >who were born in the 1830s and 1840s. One of my great grandmothers who >was born in 1840 and died in 1933 could neither read nor write. She >did, however know the names of her grandparents, and great >grandparents. > >Her knowledge of her ancestors makes me believe that our Hamricks in >Rutherford and Cleveland counties also knew who their ancestors were. > >Consider this---if I, as a 70s something person alive today, talked to >people who were born 150 years ago, then our kin who were alive in the >early 1900s must have spoken to their kin who were born in the mid >1700s. (Are you with me?) > >I don't believe SC Jones grabbed names out of thin air to put in his >book. I believe he got those names from older people who knew what they >were talking about. > >It has been pointed out before but needs repeating that if our common >ancestor was a Patrick rather than George, why are there so many George >Hamricks and so few Patricks? Every other Southern family repeated >given names over and over and over through the years. Why would >descendants of a Patrick Hamrick not also do so? The descendants of >George Hamrick certainly did. > >Bill Davenport >

Hi Bill - Nice to hear from you - I'm also descended from the Cleveland/Rutherford Hamricks, and also believe my ancestors were descended from George/German stock. Like you, I place a good amount of faith in the family story-telling through the years. I was only privileged to know up through my grandparents' generation personally, but they were very knowledgable re. their ancestors and shared a great interest in maintaining an oral family history. Also, you mentioned those of us who believe we are descended from Patrick may have been intimidated from posting to the list, just wanted to let you know my silence has more to do with recently having been anticipating the arrival of my own first Hamrick descendant. My particular line of Hamricks have never been prone to intimidation! Hope to hear more from you - would be interested in knowing your own particular lineage. Kathy