I am not a Virginia resident, I live in Georgia, but I visited the Clover Hill Cemetery a couple of months ago and took several digital photos of the monument, so if you just need a photo of the new monument, I can e-mail it to you tonight when I get home. ...James Garner HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Dan, If nobody answers this ad - let me know and I will have a DAR lady take a photo or what ever you want done. I just got up - this retirement of Bobs make me lazy and I sleep longer . He is working two days this week on Thursday and Friday and Sat . going to a tea given in my honor as state librarian. Do you like this handle? Patsy with roots in Paintertown and Point Mt. On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:18:31 -0500 "AutumnLKruer" writes: > I have a map provided by Steve Bridges. Let me see if I can't find > it. If > not, there are several here who know its whereabouts. > > Autumn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HAMRICK,DANIEL > To: > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 10:29 PM > Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Virginia Residents? > > > > Is there anyone on the list within a reasonable proximity of the > Patrick > > Hamrick gravesite at Manassas? If so, let me know. > > Thanks. > > > > > > dhamrick@neo.rr.com > > Dan Hamrick > > 402 23rd Street NW > > Canton OH 44709 > > Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 > > > > > > >

What is the problem with list members accepting divergent opinions? In my mind the alternative is for falsehoods and ignorance to prevail. I have seldom seen direct, personal insults on this list. I don't think Jill Ching would tolerate them for long. What is known from long experience is that many people have a problem with conflicts in information, even though they are inevitable, and from a multitude of tongues. They see differences about family research information as personal differences, even though they clearly aren't personal and should not be taken that way. There is another side to the coin that involves postings on the list. There is the side that feels put down because their information is challenged. But there is another bias that stems from resentment against information posted by genealogists who have been researching the family for decades. The latter can be just as tyrannical as the former. In an information age, people who would leave the list because they see a challenge to their information are going to have to decide whether to join the great debate featuring a variety of opinions from an assortment of cultures or languish alone with their more narrowly drawn opinions. I've learned in recent days on the web: My grandfather was David, not Daniel Stoffer as I knew him and I don't have it documented; that my father and a brother were born a month apart; that my Aunt Ruth, still living, born in 1906, was 94 in 1997. And I am not one bit personally offended. I would like to reserve the right to challenge that information without its source feeling that I am engaging in a personal attack. And I did get assailed on another list for venturing my opinion about my own family. There were additional Patrick Hamricks. And successive Benjamins, Jameses and Williams, Marys, Anns, Elizabeths and Sarahs. As a matter of fact, I count 171 Elizabeths in my database. Tressie Nealy once asked me, what do such names suggest to you? I didn't regard the enlightenment as a put down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Patrick Hamrick, believed born about 1689 and documented in the early years of 1700, was not the son of a man who came to America in 1731, although that is not technically impossible. The actual erection of the monument was news to me. I'll take your lessons on etiquette under advisement so long as they are aimed at people who originate criticisms as personal attacks, and hope you add a rejoinder to people who take personally what ought to be routine challenges to family research information. But I will come down on the side of support of robust challenges to information. There is no better example than the Jones book controversy. Although Patrick has become well documented and southern descendants are documented, the idea is that anyone who chooses to state that, say, Patrick Jr., was Patrick's son are themselves put down as tyrants when the truth is that they are merely saying what they believe as a result of years of research or citing their research. One of the things that seems obvious as a non-North Carolinian is that if people feel so strongly that they are descended from Hans Jerg, they should seek to prevail in the argument by documenting his patriarchy. I don't think anyone is asking more than that. I also have asked the question raised by you about what happened any descendants of Hans Jerg? There wasn't that much of a problem with the existence of records in Pennsylvania. I hope members of this list will see to it that it doesn't degenerate into the kind of factual reporting practiced by the National Enquirer or that they will set a higher standard. I regard everyone on this list as a probable relative or a friend laboring in the same vineyard. I have had a few exchanges of information. I have nothing but good feeling, personally, for everyone. The Hamrick list is the largest and most active one I'm on so it must be doing something right. I can tell you on another list I'm on you would be unable to post the information on Hans Jerg that you did without documentation. Life's own experiences have taught me the folly of trying to persuade others to accept my opinion, despite a natural inclination and professional training in trying to get people to do so. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 ---------- >From: Bill Davenport <davenport@brooksdata.net> >To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Patrick/George >Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2000, 9:52 AM > >Good Morning: > >JR, I have most certainly received your comments as well as those others >who took the time to write. You’ll have to bear with me if I do not >respond as quickly as you might like. In addition to other aspects of >living, I’m researching several other names and Hamrick is not really >top priority. At the moment, I’m reflecting on life in the year 2000. >As an eighteen year old serving in the Regular United States Navy, my >shipmates and I discussed the possibility of living until the next >century, and what it might be like. Don’t know about the others but I >made it to 2000 and I’m proud to be here. > >Back to the comments. I appreciate them, even the references to >membership in the Flat Earth Society. Thank you all for the information >you’ve passed along. Everything helps. > >It would unrealistic to think that everything we come across is error >free. We don’t know if written records were recorded correctly. We >don’t know if persons reading and transcribing records have interpreted >them accurately. With very little information about the stones at the >Street Hamrick home place, I have no way of knowing whether they are >recent or have been in place many years, or who placed them there. I >did notice that the monument to Patrick Hamrick was erected in September >1999. It seems to echo exactly what you preach. Was it built by >supporting members of this list? ( only joking) > >Returning to the regurgitation of bad genealogy, if Patrick Hamrick was >the first, where are all the Patrick Hamricks? If Moses Richard did not >exist, why did Price Hamrick have sons named Moses and Richard? If >Price’s father was Jeremiah, why don’t we see a son named Jeremiah? Why >are there so many George Hamricks both laying down and walking around? >(These irritants, Patrick supporters, just won’t go away, will they?) > >>From available records there apparently was a ship named Snow Lowther >and it came to Philadelphia in 1731 with a load of Germans, among whom >was a man named Hans Jeurg Hamerich. He apparently married another >German named Nancy Cook. They likely had children. What happened to >those children? Did they just vanish? > >How did the folks in North Carolina know about Moses Richard and Hans >George? Were they just ignorant hillbillies who knew nothing? Did they >just pull names out of thin air so as to confuse subsequent >generations? Did they go so far as to erect phony tombstones? > >On the LDS site, upon entering the name Patrick Hamrick, one file says >he was the son of Hans George. Ironic, huh? > >After I sent my original message to the list, I received a couple of >messages from people who said they no longer send anything to the list >because they had been put down for whatever dissenting opinions they >expressed. That isn’t nice, Patrick descendants. Even if 95% of the >list supports the Patrick notion, that doesn’t make it correct. > >Anyway, folks, I don’t have all the answers and I don’t think you do, >either. Hopefully, we’ll learn more. Maybe something that will satisfy >everybody. > >Bill Davenport > >

Dan, If nobody answers this ad - let me know and I will have a DAR lady take a photo or what ever you want done. I just got up - this retirement of Bobs make me lazy and I sleep longer . He is working two days this week on Thursday and Friday and Sat . going to a tea given in my honor as state librarian. Do you like this handle? Patsy with roots in Paintertown and Point Mt. On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:18:31 -0500 "AutumnLKruer" <AutumnK@prodigy.net> writes: > I have a map provided by Steve Bridges. Let me see if I can't find > it. If > not, there are several here who know its whereabouts. > > Autumn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HAMRICK,DANIEL <dhamrick@neo.rr.com> > To: <HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 10:29 PM > Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Virginia Residents? > > > > Is there anyone on the list within a reasonable proximity of the > Patrick > > Hamrick gravesite at Manassas? If so, let me know. > > Thanks. > > > > > > dhamrick@neo.rr.com > > Dan Hamrick > > 402 23rd Street NW > > Canton OH 44709 > > Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 > > > > > > >

Ted Smith Good information and I greatly appreciate it. Bill Davenport

I live within a reasonable distance (same county) of Manassas. If no one who knows what they are doing volunteers, I'd be willing to take a look. Steve > I have a map provided by Steve Bridges. Let me see if I can't find it. If > not, there are several here who know its whereabouts. > > Autumn > > Is there anyone on the list within a reasonable proximity of the Patrick > > Hamrick gravesite at Manassas? If so, let me know. > > Thanks.

Good Morning: JR, I have most certainly received your comments as well as those others who took the time to write. You’ll have to bear with me if I do not respond as quickly as you might like. In addition to other aspects of living, I’m researching several other names and Hamrick is not really top priority. At the moment, I’m reflecting on life in the year 2000. As an eighteen year old serving in the Regular United States Navy, my shipmates and I discussed the possibility of living until the next century, and what it might be like. Don’t know about the others but I made it to 2000 and I’m proud to be here. Back to the comments. I appreciate them, even the references to membership in the Flat Earth Society. Thank you all for the information you’ve passed along. Everything helps. It would unrealistic to think that everything we come across is error free. We don’t know if written records were recorded correctly. We don’t know if persons reading and transcribing records have interpreted them accurately. With very little information about the stones at the Street Hamrick home place, I have no way of knowing whether they are recent or have been in place many years, or who placed them there. I did notice that the monument to Patrick Hamrick was erected in September 1999. It seems to echo exactly what you preach. Was it built by supporting members of this list? ( only joking) Returning to the regurgitation of bad genealogy, if Patrick Hamrick was the first, where are all the Patrick Hamricks? If Moses Richard did not exist, why did Price Hamrick have sons named Moses and Richard? If Price’s father was Jeremiah, why don’t we see a son named Jeremiah? Why are there so many George Hamricks both laying down and walking around? (These irritants, Patrick supporters, just won’t go away, will they?) >From available records there apparently was a ship named Snow Lowther and it came to Philadelphia in 1731 with a load of Germans, among whom was a man named Hans Jeurg Hamerich. He apparently married another German named Nancy Cook. They likely had children. What happened to those children? Did they just vanish? How did the folks in North Carolina know about Moses Richard and Hans George? Were they just ignorant hillbillies who knew nothing? Did they just pull names out of thin air so as to confuse subsequent generations? Did they go so far as to erect phony tombstones? On the LDS site, upon entering the name Patrick Hamrick, one file says he was the son of Hans George. Ironic, huh? After I sent my original message to the list, I received a couple of messages from people who said they no longer send anything to the list because they had been put down for whatever dissenting opinions they expressed. That isn’t nice, Patrick descendants. Even if 95% of the list supports the Patrick notion, that doesn’t make it correct. Anyway, folks, I don’t have all the answers and I don’t think you do, either. Hopefully, we’ll learn more. Maybe something that will satisfy everybody. Bill Davenport

> Hamrick, Price Jan 1765 Oct 1820 Son of Moses Richard and Father of Moses In 1938 and 1939, the Cleveland County Cemetery Survey was conducted by B. E. Weathers, Forrest S. Williams, and Anson G. Melton, under the supervision of P. Cleveland Gardner, Cleveland County historian. On page 258 of the survey, they documented a cemetery that was called PRICE HAMRICK GRAVEYARD. The following is the record from that cemetery: PRICE HAMRICK GRAVEYARD: Located in No.6 Township,Cleveland County,N.C.,on lands of John Hamrick,about 6 miles southwest of Shelby,N.C., on a hill covered with oaks. It is about 1/2 mile N.W., of Shanghai School. --------------- Owner: John Hamrick Approimate number of marked graves: 5. Before 1914: 5. After 1914: None. Unmarked graves: 30. Earliest marked grave: Price Hamrick, d. 1820. General condition of cemetery: Poorly kept. INSCRIPTIONS: Hamrick,Price,b.Jan.1785,d.Oct.1820. (Ted's note - the compilers wrote birthdate as 1785, but it was probably misread and should be 1765.) ------------ R.H.d.Aug10,1859. Aged 8 years and 15 days. ------------ Hamrick, Moses,b.Dec.14,1790,d.Aug.10,1868. ------------ Hamrick,Sarah Robinson,wife of Moses Hamrick,b.June 10,1802,d.Dec10,1850. ------------ Bowens,Elizabeth,b.Dec.16,1811,d.July 17,1834. ------------ Bowens, Benjamin,d.July 10 1874. Aged 56 years,4 mos.,and 13 days. ------------ (Mr.Collis Jones says:"Price Hamrick got too hot cutting wheat and died within two hours afterwards and was buried on his own home place.") ------------ Date of survey: Oct 26,1938. Work: B.E.Weathers and A.G.Melton. ------------ There was no record of the inscription "Son of Moses Richard and Father of Moses" on Price Hamrick's grave in the late 1930's. Since the condition of the cemetery was listed as "Poorly kept", I suspect that a family group probably cleaned up the cemetery and created some new gravestones. Ted

I have a map provided by Steve Bridges. Let me see if I can't find it. If not, there are several here who know its whereabouts. Autumn ----- Original Message ----- From: HAMRICK,DANIEL <dhamrick@neo.rr.com> To: <HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Virginia Residents? > Is there anyone on the list within a reasonable proximity of the Patrick > Hamrick gravesite at Manassas? If so, let me know. > Thanks. > > > dhamrick@neo.rr.com > Dan Hamrick > 402 23rd Street NW > Canton OH 44709 > Phone and fax: 330-454-2376 > > >

Is there anyone on the list within a reasonable proximity of the Patrick Hamrick gravesite at Manassas? If so, let me know. Thanks. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone and fax: 330-454-2376

Bill Davenport, Last PM at 1:00AM and this morning at 6:30AM I received a message from Leslie Bridges-L suggesting I write to you. I am not trying to beat a tired horse because I think you have probably received what I wrote yesterday about S C Jones and the Cameron Street Home Place...... HOLD ON Before you delete I have something new to say. There is a 5 1/2 foot tall monument in the Patrick Hamrick Cemetery in Manassas, Virginia on the Patrick Hamrick Home Place dedicated to him as the emigrant founder of the Hamrick family which you were probably not aware. On the Front it says: PATRICK HAMRICK c 1684 - 1764 MARGARET INGLES c 1689 ---- Lived at Clover Hill Farm 1740 - 1764 300 years after he arrived in Virginia this Memorial is Dedicated by the eighth and Ninth Generation Descendants in grateful rememberance and cellebration of their lives 30 September 1999 (on the reverse it has) CHILDREN PATRICK c 1715-1794 JAMES c 1717 - 1778 ROBERT c 1718 - 1757 DAU c 1721 --- Married James Bridges DAU c 1723 --- BENJAMIN c 1727 - 1793 JOHN c 1730 - 1757 JOSEPH c 1731 - 1792 Using the argument that whoever has the largest monument must be correct How large is the toombstone of Price Hamrick? (kidding of course) I have a copy of the publication of I presume the Cameron Hamrick Annual Reunion Committee entitled FOUNDING IN AMERICA with a picture of the Home Place and other data. It has the text and picture on Cameron Hamrick and his wife's tombstone and says it has on the back the names and birth and death dates of his sons but did not give what was on Price Hamrick's or how large his headstone was. (How does it compare with the above?) James above was the father of Samuel and Robert was the father of Mary his wife. Price was the son of Jeremiah, son of James. Why is it the German Hamricks in North Carolina will not consider the facts?? On page 14 S C Jones saya Nathaniel Hamrick and Enoch Hamrick were brothers of Price Hamrick. On 17 November 1812, State of North Carolins, Abednego Adams, Anna Adams, and Isaac Hamrick testified that Nathan Hamrick was a brother of David and Uriah Hamrick and Nathan was a son of Jeremiah of Prince William County, Virginia, It would appear that S C Jones would agree that Price was the son of Jeremiah. Other data shows Jeremiah son of James. The HAMRICK GENERATIONS publication of the BROAD RIVER GENEALOGY SOCIETY by Virginia DePriest strongly suggests that Patrick Amniner (Hamrick) is the Hamrick ancestor and that the first two generations of S C Jones are incorrect and yet no North Carolina Hamricks will even discuss it. I will appreciate any answers. J R

Harrison Co 1846: John F Hamrick 1847: John Hamrick 1848: John Hamrick 1850: John Hamrick Tazwell Co 1844: Riley Hambrick 1845: Riley Hembrick 1846: Riley Hembrick 1848: John Hambrick 1849: John Hambrick 1850: John Hambrick

Randolph Co 1835-1837: David Hamrick 1838: David Hamrick, James Hamrick, Isaac Hamrick 1840: David Hamrick; James Hamrick 1841: David Hambrick; James Hambrick 1842: David Hambrick; James Hambrick 1843: David Hamrick; James Hamrick 1845: David Hamrick; James M. Hamrick 1846: James M Hamrick; Christopher C Hamrick; David Hamrick; Jas. Hamrick of David. 1847: Peter, James, David, James M., Christopher C Hamrick 1848: Peter H., James Sr., David; Christopher and James Hamrick. 1849: James M., Christopher, James, Peter and David Hamrick 1850: James M., Christopher, David, Peter, James Hamrick Roanoke Co VA 1849: George Hambrick

Kathy I am very sorry to hear of the terrible ordeal your little daughter is going through, much less the ordeal the whole family is suffering. We, as adults, can understand that life deals most of us hard blows from time to time, but our faith in God, and our trust in Him helps us understand that He loves us and will be with us all the way as we endure these hardships.....that understanding is hard for a three year old.......however they can understand, and learn God's love for us as you model that love to her. May God give you and your family strength to weather this ordeal, skill and care to the doctors, and full healing to your daughter. Cousin Dewey Hamrick in Tn.

1844: Joel; William T; Maurice B; Allen; William (Elk); Benjamin (2); Isaac; William; Jilson (2); Josiah & William Hamrick BF. 1845: Jilson; Maurice; Joel; William T; William FL; Isaac; Benjamin; James; Allen; William Hamrick Buffalo; Josiah. 1846: Jilson, Maurice, Joel, William T; William (Elk) 2; Isaac; Benjamin; William (Buf); Josiah; Reynolds Hamrick. 1847: Jilson, Morris, Joel, William T; William (S LIck) 2; Isaac; Benjamin 2; William (Buffaloe) Josiah; Reynolds Hamrick 1848: Jilson, Morris, Joel, William T; William (FL) 2; Isaac; Benjamin 2; William (Buffaloe); Josiah, Reynolds Hamrick 1849: Morris, William T; William (Elk) 2; Isaac; Benjamin 2; Willialm (Buffaloe); Joel; Josiah Hamrick 1850: William T.; William (Elk) 2; Isaac; Benjamin 2; William, Joel, Josiah Hamrick.

1834: Jilson Hamrick 2 taxable males Isaac G Hamrick, Joel Hamrick, William Hamrick, William Hamrick, Enoch Hamrick, Joel Hamrick, Peter Hamrick Benjamin Hamrick 4 taxable males Benjamin Hamrick 0 taxable males 1835: William, Enoch, Joel, Benjamin (4), William (2), Isaac G, Peter, Benjamin Senior, Jilson (2), Josiah, Joel, Cyrus, John Hamrick. 1836: Joel Jr., Enoch, Wiliam, Benjamin (4), William Sr (2), Joel Sr., Jilson, Josiah Hamrick 1837: William Sr (2); Benjamin (3); Allen, Jilson, Josiah, William, Joel, & Enoch Hamrick 1838: Joel Sr; William Hamrick, son of Joel; Allen, Benjamin (2); William (Elk) 2; Enoch, Joel Jr, Jilson (2) and Josiah Hamrick. 1839: William Jr (Elk); Joel, William, Enoch, Josiah, Joel Jr, Jilson (2); Allen; Benjamin; William Sr (Elk) 2. 1840: Josiah, Jilson (2); Joel; William (2); Joel, William (Elk); Benjamin, Isaac Hamrick 1841: Jilson (2); Josiah; Willialm Sen; Isac; Benjamin (3); William (Elk) 2; Joel Hamrick 1842: William T.; Willialm (Elk); Benjamin (2); Isaac; Joel; William (2); Jilson, Josiah and Morris Hamrick. 1843: Joel Hamrick; William T; Maurice B; Allen; William (Elk); Benjamin (2); Isaac; William (2); Jilson; & Josiah Hamrick.

From: motesp@hiwaay.net [mailto:motesp@hiwaay.net] Street Hamrick homeplace The inscription on the Price Hamrick grave marker which says "Son of Moses Richard". How can the theory, that holds Moses Richard Hamrick to be but a creation of our cousin S. C. Jones, be reconciled with the words on this grave site? Bill Pat Motes, In the 1960's this was published by Cameron Street Hamrick Clan Reunion Committee (No Authorship noted on Publication) George Hamrick settled in Pennsylvania and married Nancy Cook. They had several children. Three sons, Charles, Benjamin, and George settled in Tyron County, now called Cleveland County. Charles Hamrick had a son Price Hamrick, born in 1765 and died in 1822. He married Nancy Bridges. They reared three sons, Richard, John, and Moses. Moses was born December 24, 1921 and died August 1868. On February 5, 1818 he married Sally Robinson, daughter of Isaac Robinson, Revolutionary War Hero. To this union was born 13 Children, eight boys and five girls. Among these was Cameron Street Hamrick August 29, 1822 and died 29 Jun 1900. Street Hamrick and Elmira Bridges were united in marriage and six sons were born. Elmira was born November 30, 1822 and died November 9, 1987. Skipping to page 4. pa 2 & 3 are pictures of the home place. 39th Annual Reunion of Hamrick Clan Sep 8, 1863. One hundred and thirteen years ago on January 1, 1850, Cameron Street Hamrick purchased from James W Irvin 200 Acres of land for $150.00. The log house, now the Cameron Street Home place, was built by James W Irvin. Description of house and furnishings follow. In 1958 it was voted to improve the family cemetery. The following year the grave of Isaac Robinson was moved from Mrs H McKinney's place (my kin) to a plot on the grounds. The monument placed by the six Hamrick sons was also moved. The graves of Moses and Price Hamrick and there wives were also moved from the family cemetery nearby. Markers were placed at the four graves. Further down it says markers to Moses and his wife and Price and his wife were moved to the Street Hamrick Place and an Iron fence enclosed the monuments. >From the wording it suggests the markers were previously at cemetery where Price and Moses were buried. It did not give the children of Benjamin and George but the children of Benjamin were well described by S C Jones. It is interesting that the genealogy was very specific in saying that Price was the son of Charles and there was no mention of Moses Richard in 1960 although S C Jones published his book in 1920. S C had Samuel as the son of George and Price and Mary, wife of Samuel as children of Moses Richard. He did not have a Charles. Pat Motes: For your information Virginia DePriest published another edition (not revised but edited with some notes. It is available from the Broad River Genealogical Society, PO Box 2261, Shelby, NC 28151-2261 for $18.00. It is also indexed which S C Jones book is not. She identifies the first two generations as problem areas and suggests Patrick Anminer as Patrick Hamrick published in Cavaliers and Pioneers Vol III, pa 109 10 Jun 1706. Her reissue was 1938) I recommend anyone interested in this area of Hamrick genealogy purchase this book. It has no dates or places of events but is like the begats in the Bible. J R

Barbara, Thanks for contributing your data. Hopefully you will find other cousins to contibute to your data. J R

Bill, In the past 2 years there was a book written about McSwain. I have a copy of the book but I have misplaced it. I am sure someone will come up come up with it. In it the author had researched all the McSwain records in Rutherford County and came to the conclusion that there was "NO" evidence that David McSwain (1700 Isle of Sky) had ever lived in Rutherford County. However in the McSwain Grave Yard is a Marker to David McSwain 1770, first white man to die in Rutherford or something similar to that. She went on to explain that there was a committee of three men who were deeded the ownership of the cemetery. A McSwain, A Hamrick, and S C Jones. She indicated as a result of the committee's work someone had been found to donate the cost of the large marker and that there had been an State elected official (Could have been the Governor) who was present and dedicated the memorial at a large ceremony. Earlier this year she sent me a new page she was printing in her book. Evidence had been found in Lancaster County, PA that David McSwain had been taxed in 1739 but not in 1740. In April 1740 Frances (not Margaret Sergeant) McSwain had put her son David to be apprenticed out until he was 21 and established his birth as 1735. This was typical of what was done with orphaned children at that time. After he was 21 he married Hannah Jones (presumed daughter of John Jones 1700 of Wales fame) These records were in Baltimore County, Maryland just a few miles over the border of PA. In subsequent years their children were baptised in the local Church (all but one). They were the same children identified by the McSwain article written in the Broad River Genealogy Society two years ago by Miles Philpot. There was more to the story. Priscilla Jones, sister to Hannah was the person who married Gabriel Washburn and not a Priscilla McSwain. There were other persons in the data who showed up later in Rutherford County. There was no evidence that David's father had been dug up and moved down for reburial in Rutherford however. I will not relate on how the monument was erected to Price Hamrick with "Son of Moses Richard" on it because I might be presumed to be predjudiced and misquoted. However all of the above is available and in print. The book sells for $18.00. If you wish I will find where it is available. It may be listed by the Broad River Genealogical Society for sale. J R

> Without seeing the tombstones, I would only be making a guess. So I have a > question for you: how old is the tombstone/grave marker that says "Son of > Moses Richard"? This is a valid point. I've an ancestor, Isaac Gregory, who has another Isaac Gregory's military service inscribed on his stone. Autumn

1818: William, Benjamin Jr, David, Enoch, and Benjamin Hambrick Sr (2) 1819: Joel Hamrik, Enoch Hamrick, Benjamin Hamrick Junr, Wiliam Hamrick, Benjamin Hamrick Senr, David Hamrick 1820: Jilson, William, Joe, Benjamin, Benjamin, David, Enoch, William, Joseph Hambrick 1821: Peter, Benjamin, David, Joseph, William, Enoch, William, Jilson, Benjamin and Joel Hamrick 1822: Benjamin, Joseph, David, Benjamin, William, Joel, Peter, Jilson, William, Enoch Hamrick 1823: Joseph, Enoch, Peter, Joel, Jilson, Benjamin, David, William, Benjamin, William Hamrick 1824: William, Jilson, Joel, Benjamin, Joseph, Peter, Enoch, Benjamin, William, David Hamrick 1825: Jilson, Wm, Benjamin, Joseph, Peter, enoch, Joel, Benjamin, Wm, David Hamrick 1826: Peter, Jilson, Benjamin, Wm, David, Benjamin, Cyrus, Enoch, Wm, Joel Hamrick 1827: Joel, Wm, Wm, Benjamin, David, Sarah, Cyrus, Jilson, Enoch, Peter Hamrick 1828: Peter, Sarah, Wm, Cyrus, Joel, Wm, Enoch, Benjamin, David Hamrick 1829: Joel, Jilson, William, David, Benjamin, William Benjamin Sr., Cyrus, Peter, Enoch Hamrick 1830: Gilson, Joel, William Jr, David, Benj Jr, William, Benjn, Cyrus, Joseph, Peter, Enoch Hamrick 1831: William, Benjamin, David, Benjamin, Cyrus, Peter, Enoch, Jilson, William and Joel Hamrick 1832: Jilson, Enoch, Benjamin, Isaac, William Senr, Joel, William Hamrick 1833: William, Isaac, William Senr., Benjamin, Peter, Enoch, Benjamin, Joel, David, Cyrus, Jilson Hamrick