Hi, My name is Sharon J. Starr, my mother was Lola M. (Hamrick) Starr she was born in Jackson, CA. Dec. 5, 1919. Her father was Jesse Calvert Hamrick named after his grandfather, his father was Henry Clay Hamrick. Thanks to Jill Ching my cousin we have a great deal of information on the Calvert/Hamrick history. Would love to hear more. Happy hunting to you all! Sharon

Dear Tessie & Hamrick list members, That narrows down Meshack's parents. Which HAMRICK (in or around Jasper County, GA) died about 1804? I've checked my data base and didn't find one but will dig out paper records this weekend to see if I have any "loose" ends. Pat [email protected] At 09:03 AM 7/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >History of Angelina Co X, 1991, by Lufkin Gen. Soc. >Meshack Hamrick b 1795 was left an orphan when he was nine yeas old. As was >the custom of the day Meshack was bound to Micaijah Stinson until he was >21....married Rebecca Kelly in Jasper Co A May 20, 1813. Searved wasrof >1812.... > Census readings follows, children, who they married etc..... will send a copy >to any interested party > > >

History of Angelina Co X, 1991, by Lufkin Gen. Soc. Meshack Hamrick b 1795 was left an orphan when he was nine yeas old. As was the custom of the day Meshack was bound to Micaijah Stinson until he was 21....married Rebecca Kelly in Jasper Co A May 20, 1813. Searved wasrof 1812.... Census readings follows, children, who they married etc..... will send a copy to any interested party

Several weeks ago I posted a query here and received some limited clues from some other researchers. I've done some additional research myself and wanted to update the information I had given previously in case it might prove of interest to others: I am researching Meshack Hambrick, born circa 1793 in Georgia and married in Jasper County 20 May 1813 Rebecca Kelly. He served in the War of 1812. He came to Alabama by 1820 and settled in the Lowndes County area which later became Crenshaw County. He and Rebecca were both living as late as 1871. I have been unable to determine the parents of either but the following is a listing of the children I believe to have been theirs: [1] John Hambrick b1815-1820 and d 1836. Married Louisa Matilda Cones in 1835. Apparently had no children. [2] Dicey Hambrick b1815-1820. Married Josiah S. Vinson in 1835 and moved to Columbia County Arkansas. They reportedly had several children. [3] Mahala Emeline Hambrick. Married William P. Rinnand in 1839. No information. Unable to locate either in census records. Spelling of surname in question. [4] Nancy Hambrick b 1821 d 1892. Married Alexander A.D. Cole (also found Coles and Cowles) in 1836. Lived in Crenshaw County, Alabama. Several children. [5] William G. Hambrick b 1823 d 1862. Married twice: 1. Amanda M.F. Donaldson in 1843 and 2. Martha Jane Norsworthy in 1858. Moved to Columbia County Arkansas with second wife where he died in 1862. Reportedly had six children. He was a school teacher. [6] Celia Hambrick b 1827 married Larkin D. Walker in 1845. He apparently died about 1859. They had several children and lived in Lowndes and Crenshaw County areas. [7] Alletha Hambrick b 1830 d 1871 married Elza Richard Donaldson in 1846. Lived in Lowndes County, Alabama. [8] J.M. Hambrick b 1832. (son). A J.M. Hambrick appears in listing of soldiers of Alabama Infantry - no indication if this is the correct one. Disappears from census records in Alabama. [9] Franklin A. Hambrick b 1833. Living in 1850 - no other information. [10] Theodocia Hambrick b 1834. Married John R. Kelly in 1854. Several children. Lived in Lowndes/Crenshaw County areas. [11] Harrison T. Hambrick b 1839. Married Missouri M. Tomlinson in 1859. He died prior to 1865. Lived in Lowndes/Crenshaw County areas. One known daughter. I would certainly appreciate hearing from anyone with information about this line. David Sanders ([email protected])

My database of West Virginia Hamricks includes 20 Williams, though this is not all of them, and many are without dates. If there were an additional clue of any kind, I might be able to help. [email protected] ---------- From: Sarah Hambrick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HAMRICK-L] Emigrants Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:30:51 -0500 Where in WV was he born? I'm curious to know. Some of the WV census records (selected counties, 1880, I think) are on the USGenWeb. Sarah CROW JUDITH A SHAFER wrote: > HI, i am searching for a WILLIAM V. HAMRICK for 3 yrs. have been > watching your list, but no links.finally found him in ALA. in 1900, > instead of 1910 , which i was looking in because the lady who is his > dau > , EDNA MARGARET HAMRICK was b. birmingham, ala, 1909. so i thought > it > figured they'd be there in 1910....ancestors are never where they > are > supposed to be.!!!! so her mom, whom she thinks was EMILY, died > when > EDNA was 1, 1910, then she said her stepmom died in 1915. now her > dad > puts hr with some people who end up putting her in an orphanage. she > was > never adopted, left when she was of age....so anyhow, WILLIAM turns > out > to be b. 1873 WV, and 26 in 1910. wife is listed as LILLIE b. 1877 AR, > > VERNA 1896 AR 3yrs, ROSIA b. 1899 11/12 old AR. WILLIAM is not in > the > 1910 or 1920. so should i look in WV? i don't see a state cenus on > line, > does anyone have access to one? can you please send this to the > whole > list? i don't seem to know how....thanks...i'm trying to solve this > for > edna's 89th b-day judi -- Sarah E. Hambrick [email protected] "There's enough youth, how about a fountain of smart?" - unknown

Found this on theshipslist yesterday. Not exactly Hambrick info, but thought it might be of interest as another perspective on the name change issue. Note the following story, which is a perfect specimen of a peculiar quality of the American mind, one bearing no small relation to Independence Day: >I have a friend who tells the story of her ancestor coming from one of the >Slavic countries and he, of course, could speak no English. At Ellis Island >when he was being processed and any question was asked, he would nod his >head and smile. Since all he did was smile when they asked his name, the >clerk wrote down 'Smiley' for his surname. That was the family surname from >then on. Whenever I see one of these "name change" stories, I'm reminded of the beautiful creation stories of the Native Americans, "How the Bear Lost his Tail," for example. These stories contain an important truth. They help us understand our world. But we are foolish if we take each one literally, without further investigation. The idea that all bears have short tails because an ancient bear's tail was frozen into the ice is not a very scientific explanation. Similarly, the idea that an entire family's name was changed by one clerk--especially one at Ellis Island--is seldom supported by historical research and analysis. American name change stories tend to be apocryphal, that is, they developed later to explain events shouded in the mist of time. Given the facts of US immigration procedure at Ellis Island, the above story becomes suspect. In the story, the immigrant arrives at Ellis Island and a record is then created by someone who cannot communicate with the immigrant, and so assigns the immigrant a descriptive name. In fact, passenger lists were not created at Ellis Island. They were created abroad, beginning close to the immigrant's home, when the immigrant purchased his ticket. It is unlikely that anyone at the local steamship office was unable to communicate with this man. His name was most likely recorded with a high degree of accuracy at that time. It is true that immigrant names were mangled in the process. The first ticket clerk may have mis-spelled the name (assuming there was a "correct spelling"--a big assumption). If the immigrant made several connections in his journey, several records might be created at each juncture. Every transcription of his information afforded an opportunity to mis-spell or alter his name. Thus the more direct the immigrant's route to his destination, the less likely his name changed in any way. The report that the clerk "wrote down" the immigrants surname is suspect. During immigration inspection at Ellis Island, the immigrant confronted an inspector who had a passenger list already created abroad. That inspector operated under rules and regulations ordering that he was not to change the name or identifying information found for any immigrant UNLESS requested by the immigrant, and unless inspection demonstrated the original information was in error. Furthermore, it is nearly impossible that no one could communicate with the immigrant. One third of all immigrant inspectors at Ellis Island early this century were themselves foreign-born, and all immigrant inspectors spoke an average of three languages. They were assigned to inspect immigrant groups based on the languages they spoke. If the inspector could not communicate, Ellis Island employed an army of interpreters full time, and would call in temporary interpreters under contract to translate for immigrants speaking the most obscure tongues. Despite these facts, the Ellis-Island-name-change-story (or Castle Garden, or earlier versions of the same story) is as American as apple pie (and probably as common in Canada too, eh?). Why? The explanation lies in ideas as simple as language and cultural differences, and as complex as the root of American culture. We all know names have been Anglicized in America (even the word "Anglicized" has been Americanized!). As any kindergartener learns, we live in a world where people ask our name then write it down without asking us how to spell or pronounce that name. Immigrants in America were typically asked their name and entered in official records by those who had "made it" in America and thus were already English-speaking (i.e., teachers, landlords, employers, judges etc.). The fact that those with the power to create official records were English-speaking explains much about small changes, over time, in the spelling of certain names. Many immigrants welcomed this change. Anyone from Eastern Europe, with a name LONG on consonants and short on vowels, learned that his name often got in the way of a job interview or became the subject of ridicule at his child's school. Any change that might smooth their way to the American dream was seen as a step in the right direction. Perhaps this was the case with Mr. Smiley. It was the case of another family from Russia, named Smiloff or Smilikoff, who emigrated to Canada at the turn of the century. By the time their son immigrated to the US in 1911, his name had become Smiley. But some name changes are not so easy to trace. Rather than a different spelling of the same-sounding name, an entirely new name was adopted. These are the most American stories of all. "Who is this new man, this American?" asked de Toqueville. He was Adam in the Garden, man beginning again, leaving all the history and heartbreak of the Old World behind. The idea that what made America unique was the opportunity for man to live in a state of nature, a society of farmers whose perception of Truth is unfettered by ancient social and political conventions lies at the base of Jeffersonian democratic theory. The New World became a place for mankind to begin again, a place where every man can be re-born and re-create himself. In such circumstances, the adoption of a new name is not surprising. Nor is it surprising in the cases of immigrants who came to America to abandon a wife and family or to escape conscription in a European army. There were all kinds of reasons, political and practical, to take a new name. A newspaper in California recently ran the story of a Vietnamese immigrant with a long, Vietnamese name so strange-looking to Anglo eyes. The young man came to this country began to work and study. He began every day by stopping at a convenience store to buy a "bonus pak" of chewing gum. Chewing all those sticks of gum got him through long days of working several jobs and studying English at night. When he finally naturalized as a US citizen, he requested his name be changed to Don Bonus--the surname taken from the "Bonus Pak" and chosen to signify all his work and effort to become an American. He was a new man. If not for the newspaper story, we would not understand this name change. Mr. Bonus' naturalization papers would simply record the name change but not the reasons behind it. If he had not naturalized, his Bonus family descendents generations from now would be at quite a loss to explain the origin of their name. The documentation of name changes during US naturalization procedure have only been required since 1906. Prior to that time, only those immigrants who went to court and had their name officially changed and recorded leave us any record. Congress wrote the requirement in 1906 because of the well-known fact that immigrants DID change their names, and tended to do so within the first 5 years after arrival. Without any record, immigrants and their descendents are left to construct their own explanations of a name change. Often, when asked by grandchildren why they changed their name, old immigrants would say "it was changed at Ellis Island." People take this literally, as if the clerk at Ellis Island actually wrote down another name. But one should consider another interpretation of "Ellis Island." That immigrant is remembering his initial confrontation with American culture. Ellis Island was not only immigrant processing, it was finding one's way around the city, learning to speak English, getting one's first job or apartment, going to school, and adjusting one's name to a new spelling or pronunciation. All these experiences, for the first few years, were the "Ellis Island experience." When recalling their immigration decades before, many immigrants referred to the entire experience as "Ellis Island." So, on this day when we celebrate the breaking of our bond with the Old World, let us welcome Mr. Smiley and all the new immigrants who will, in the next few years as they become Americans, make changes to their name which will confuse and confound their descendents for generations to come. ==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== TO UNSUB FROM LIST - mailto:[email protected] TO UNSUB FROM DIGEST - mailto:[email protected] Leave Subject Line Blank * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message

Where in WV was he born? I'm curious to know. Some of the WV census records (selected counties, 1880, I think) are on the USGenWeb. Sarah CROW JUDITH A SHAFER wrote: > HI, i am searching for a WILLIAM V. HAMRICK for 3 yrs. have been > watching your list, but no links.finally found him in ALA. in 1900, > instead of 1910 , which i was looking in because the lady who is his > dau > , EDNA MARGARET HAMRICK was b. birmingham, ala, 1909. so i thought > it > figured they'd be there in 1910....ancestors are never where they > are > supposed to be.!!!! so her mom, whom she thinks was EMILY, died > when > EDNA was 1, 1910, then she said her stepmom died in 1915. now her > dad > puts hr with some people who end up putting her in an orphanage. she > was > never adopted, left when she was of age....so anyhow, WILLIAM turns > out > to be b. 1873 WV, and 26 in 1910. wife is listed as LILLIE b. 1877 AR, > > VERNA 1896 AR 3yrs, ROSIA b. 1899 11/12 old AR. WILLIAM is not in > the > 1910 or 1920. so should i look in WV? i don't see a state cenus on > line, > does anyone have access to one? can you please send this to the > whole > list? i don't seem to know how....thanks...i'm trying to solve this > for > edna's 89th b-day judi -- Sarah E. Hambrick [email protected] "There's enough youth, how about a fountain of smart?" - unknown

i only know what i told you, sorry, i didn't se an 1880 census...judi

Lisa, Any chance that the "M" stands from Martin. The only HAMRICK I can find that fits the age and initials is Martin C. HAMRICK. Steven A. Bridges [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > > I am trying to find the parents of M.C. Hamrick. Here is what I have so far: > M.C. Hamrick b.9-3-1856 marr. Priscilla abt 1873 d. 5-2-1908 buried at Bethel > Baptist Cemetery in Rutherford Co. There children that I know of are: > Thomas "Frank" Hamrick b. 6-3-1876 marr. Sallie Dedman d. 1-30-1945 Bethel > Cem. > James W. Hamrick b. 6-3-1874 d. 3-20-1942 Bethel Cem. > J. C. Hamrick b. abt 1882 > A.A. Hamrick b. abt. 1883 > > The earliest records I have found for M.C. is from the 1880 Cleveland Co. > Census. He moved to Rutherford County soon after. I have checked the books > on the Hamrick families that are in the Cleveland Co Mem. Library with no > luck. > In the Ruth. Co. Deeds I found a deed from Ella, M.C., John, and Thomas > Hamrick to J.B. Goode in 1897. Could this be his brothers and sister, maybe > land that was inherited? Does anyone have a connection with this family? I > seem to have hit a brick wall. Thanks for anything!!! > Lisa Bowen Hamrick

Dear List, Based upon my experiences with Chuck Hamrick, I cannot say that I saw any evidence that he ever did his own research. He surely took other people's research and claimed it as his own, and then never provided anything back. So to say he "researched" the Snow Louther and concluded they were not related does not mean anything me, personally. I am sure there are still many Hamrick researchers who would claim S. C. Jones researched the Snow Louther and concluded that every Hamrick "was" a descendant of theirs. I am not picking on you, Darlene, because if you had said you had researched the Snow Louther and drawn that conclusion, I would have 200% more confidence that I could rely on it. I will admit to being a cynic, and perhaps I am the only one who feels this way, but I do not consider Chuck Hamrick any more a reliable source than I do S. C. Jones. And S. C. Jones probable did more harm to Hamrick research than anyone although I am sure it wasn't intentional as he had good intentions. A skeptic in WA Steven A. Bridges [email protected] Darlene V. Gleason wrote: > > Dear List, > Chuck Hamrick did research the "Hamricks" from the Snow Louther. > He said their names were really Hammerichs from Germany and not > connected to us in any way. Darlene > > J R. McKinney wrote: > > > Dan and other Hamrick's, > > > > I found the same data on the 1731 PA Hamrick's and thought I > > had found the Hamrick ancestor also. I did not know that > > S C Jones had written his book using that data. > > > > I tried tracing the family of Georg and it seemed that all > > his children stayed in PA as far as the records of marriages > > and births were concerned. Chuck told me he had traced them > > them down 3 generations and no males ever went to VA. > > > > I had one German Cousin "Doll" that married one of the > > daughters but I could not find any connection to Patrick. > > I had one ancestor that wrote in the late 1800's that we > > were descendant's of the Patrick "from" Ireland. > > > > That is the only data I have on Georg Hamerich. > > > > J R

Hi Bambi, I have enjoyed your neat letters on the net. I do have a lot of information on the Hamrick family, my cousin Mary (hamrick) Griffin went to Richmond, Va and Manassas in May for a week. The state library did have lots of information you could use. What you need to do is find some dates you can use as a start. The state library in any state can give you birth dates and death dates. If you start puttingf lots of questions on the STATES PAGES OF THE INTERNET, WHAT I MEAN IS LIKE VIRGINIA, FAUQUIER COUNTY... WHEN I DID THIS , IT REALLY HELPED TO GET SOME ANSWERS. I have a huge family tree of the Hamricks written up on the internet. Patrick Hamrick first came to Virginia in 1700 , he had a family of about 6 boys and 2 girls. Iam related to John Hamrick, one of his sons, as far as all the information, it takes forever to finally get the dope you need. I will keep in touch. Char

HI, i am searching for a WILLIAM V. HAMRICK for 3 yrs. have been watching your list, but no links.finally found him in ALA. in 1900, instead of 1910 , which i was looking in because the lady who is his dau , EDNA MARGARET HAMRICK was b. birmingham, ala, 1909. so i thought it figured they'd be there in 1910....ancestors are never where they are supposed to be.!!!! so her mom, whom she thinks was EMILY, died when EDNA was 1, 1910, then she said her stepmom died in 1915. now her dad puts hr with some people who end up putting her in an orphanage. she was never adopted, left when she was of age....so anyhow, WILLIAM turns out to be b. 1873 WV, and 26 in 1910. wife is listed as LILLIE b. 1877 AR, VERNA 1896 AR 3yrs, ROSIA b. 1899 11/12 old AR. WILLIAM is not in the 1910 or 1920. so should i look in WV? i don't see a state cenus on line, does anyone have access to one? can you please send this to the whole list? i don't seem to know how....thanks...i'm trying to solve this for edna's 89th b-day judi

Dear List, Chuck Hamrick did research the "Hamricks" from the Snow Louther. He said their names were really Hammerichs from Germany and not connected to us in any way. Darlene J R. McKinney wrote: > Dan and other Hamrick's, > > I found the same data on the 1731 PA Hamrick's and thought I > had found the Hamrick ancestor also. I did not know that > S C Jones had written his book using that data. > > I tried tracing the family of Georg and it seemed that all > his children stayed in PA as far as the records of marriages > and births were concerned. Chuck told me he had traced them > them down 3 generations and no males ever went to VA. > > I had one German Cousin "Doll" that married one of the > daughters but I could not find any connection to Patrick. > I had one ancestor that wrote in the late 1800's that we > were descendant's of the Patrick "from" Ireland. > > That is the only data I have on Georg Hamerich. > > J R

thanks for the great link, i was wondering how i was going to see fireworks for my bd tomorrow from my bed! Happy 4th to Everyone, and to all our ancestors who made our American Independence a reality, THANKS! jill : From: daltepeter <[email protected]> : To: [email protected] : Subject: Re: [HAMRICK-L] Emigrants : Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:53 AM : : http://members.aol.com/Takillya1/July.html : : : Hope everyone has a happy 4th.. Try out this link! : : http://members.aol.com/Takillya1/July.html :

Excellent thought. Harley

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I am looking for any information on Thomas and Lillian Hamrick Thomas died in abt 1918 I believe in Houston, Texas, or possibly So. California Lillian died in abt 1924 I believe in Houston, Texas, or possibly So. California They had 10 kids who I believe all relocated to Southern California about 1915-1935 Harry b. abt 1901, I believe he died young. Oscar b. abt 1902, Raised his younger siblings after there parents died. Grace b. abt 1903, married a Mr. Clark and they had a son Charles. Frankie b.abt 1905 Myrtle, married a Joe B. Hawthorne in So. California (San Diego?)they had abt six kids Lillian, married Bud Page then later Paul Yankee, no kids Margaret, know nothing about her. Bertha, married Vic Smith, then Phil Fickett the Chief of Police in Bakersfield California. Harriet, married Goldie Lynch they had a child named Joyce. Elmo (Elmer) b.Nov. 4, 1912 d.Nov. 24, 1982 married Donna Faddis (Lerwill) from Provo, Utaha December 24, 1934 So. California? She died in 1966 in South San Francisco. They had one child Donald J. Hamrick. Any clues? Thank you, Bryce Card [email protected]

Found these in my last FHC foray: 1870 census for Arkansas- Dardanelle Twp, Yell Co., pg. 42, family 370-354 HAMRICK, Sarina age 32, female, white, b. TN " , Laudonia age 30, " " " Horsehead Twp, Johnson Co, pg. 19, family 123-123 HAMBRICK, William age 26, male, white, farm laborer, b. AL " , Sally A. age 21, female, white, keeping house, b. AR (the above William and Sally A. were married in July 1870 and living in the hh of William L./Elizabeth J. CLARK)

No I born in 1927. That is what I was told Harry Hamrick [email protected] Bryce and Roben Card wrote: > I am looking for any information on Thomas and Lillian Hamrick > Thomas died in abt 1918 I believe in Houston, Texas, or possibly So. > California > Lillian died in abt 1924 I believe in Houston, Texas, or possibly So. > California > > They had 10 kids who I believe all relocated to Southern California > about 1915-1935 > Harry b. abt 1901, I believe he died young. > Oscar b. abt 1902, Raised his younger siblings after there parents died. > > Grace b. abt 1903, married a Mr. Clark and they had a son Charles. > Frankie b.abt 1905 > Myrtle, married a Joe B. Hawthorne in So. California (San Diego?)they > had abt six kids > Lillian, married Bud Page then later Paul Yankee, no kids > Margaret, know nothing about her. > Bertha, married Vic Smith, then Phil Fickett the Chief of Police in > Bakersfield California. > Harriet, married Goldie Lynch they had a child named Joyce. > Elmo (Elmer) b.Nov. 4, 1912 d.Nov. 24, 1982 married Donna Faddis > (Lerwill) from Provo, Utaha > December 24, 1934 So. California? She died in 1966 in South San > Francisco. They had one child > Donald J. Hamrick. > > Any clues? Thank you, > Bryce Card > [email protected]

My oldest living Hambrick told me they really did need all those kids to keep up with the work. They had 10 children, they canned and grew all their own vegetables, canning over 1000 jars of vegetables a season, dressing 2 hogs a year , gathering all their eggs, canning apple butter, peach butter, apple preserves and strawberry jam and cherry jam from their own fruit trees, milking the cow and churning their own butter. The one that surprised me was that they made a 12 gallon crock of sauerkraut every year. All the girls ran off when it came time to churn the butter, their least favorite chore. All the boys could play musical instruments, piano, guitar, banjo, harmonica, but none of the girls could. They did all of this on one beautiful acre of land. When she told me this I developed a major case of the guilts and started looking at my backyard like I should have a garden in it (Maybe next year) Bambi Hambrick Woods