Mike I found the arms in Reitstap's Armorial General. i have done a quick search for Gandel but the only notable one I find relates to a Property company which isnt much use. Oh well keep on trying Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Ralph ( and Anne) > > I had a closer look, as you said, and I can see what you mean about the > crown. The sketch I have does not really help much except that it shows the > moto on the ribbon which is not very evident in the photo. > I have tried to search the internet for any references to Gandel of Lorraine > and there is not one that jumps out immediately as related. I have emailed a > geneology website that specialises in Lorraine and I am hoping I will get a > reply. > Meanwhile I suppose I will wander down to the library here and see what I > can find there. > What reference book did you find the arms in? Was there any other > information on the family Gandel? I have found a lot of references to > Gundel, but this appears to be Gernainc in origin. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > Mike > > The more I look at the coat of arms the more convinced I am that the > chapeau > > is in fact a coronet and the pearls are in fact cloverleaf peices above > the > > ring of the coronet. > > Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I > > only > > > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting > her > > > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will > forward > > > this as it has some more detail on it. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > > > agree > > > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read > > talk > > > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if > there > > is > > > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my > daughter > > > and > > > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but > that > > > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > > > library > > > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. > Mike > > if > > > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms > if > > > you > > > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > > > Ralph > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found > the > > > > owner of > > > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > > > Gandel of > > > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around > 1651. > > I > > > > cannot > > > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > > > description > > > > > RH> is exact. > > > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > > > further we dig! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > > > > Source for Family History Online. 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