On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 10:14:26 AM, Michael wrote: ML> Ralph ( and Anne) ML> I had a closer look, as you said, and I can see what you mean about the ML> crown. The sketch I have does not really help much except that it shows the ML> moto on the ribbon which is not very evident in the photo. Hi Mike, Can you send me a copy of the photo and sketch as well please..? It may help whilst I'm digging through stuff here.. thanks :-) -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson