The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I agree with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter and family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy library as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if you have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the owner of > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of Gandel of > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I cannot > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the description > RH> is exact. > RH> Ralph > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > further we dig! > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > -- > Cheers, > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > Garton, Hampson > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain letters to the list > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Ralph I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I only just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward this as it has some more detail on it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I agree > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter and > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy library > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if you > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > Ralph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > owner of > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > Gandel of > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I > cannot > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > description > > RH> is exact. > > RH> Ralph > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > further we dig! > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > letters to the list > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > To view the HAMPSON Rootsweb GenConnect Boards or search facilities go to: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/h/a/HAMPSON/ > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Mike The more I look at the coat of arms the more convinced I am that the chapeau is in fact a coronet and the pearls are in fact cloverleaf peices above the ring of the coronet. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Ralph > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I only > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward > this as it has some more detail on it. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > agree > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter > and > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > library > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if > you > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > > owner of > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > Gandel of > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I > > cannot > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > description > > > RH> is exact. > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > further we dig! > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > To view the HAMPSON Rootsweb GenConnect Boards or search facilities go to: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/h/a/HAMPSON/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: To post to the HAMPSON Rootsweb Mailing List > send to: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Ralph ( and Anne) I had a closer look, as you said, and I can see what you mean about the crown. The sketch I have does not really help much except that it shows the moto on the ribbon which is not very evident in the photo. I have tried to search the internet for any references to Gandel of Lorraine and there is not one that jumps out immediately as related. I have emailed a geneology website that specialises in Lorraine and I am hoping I will get a reply. Meanwhile I suppose I will wander down to the library here and see what I can find there. What reference book did you find the arms in? Was there any other information on the family Gandel? I have found a lot of references to Gundel, but this appears to be Gernainc in origin. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Mike > The more I look at the coat of arms the more convinced I am that the chapeau > is in fact a coronet and the pearls are in fact cloverleaf peices above the > ring of the coronet. > Ralph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > Ralph > > > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I > only > > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her > > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward > > this as it has some more detail on it. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > > agree > > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read > talk > > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there > is > > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter > > and > > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > > library > > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike > if > > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if > > you > > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > > Ralph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > > > owner of > > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > > Gandel of > > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. > I > > > cannot > > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > > description > > > > RH> is exact. > > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > > further we dig! > > > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cheers, > > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > Source for Family History Online. 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