This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/VUh.2ACIB/129.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Maxine Armed with the info about Ellen Smith, present at Catherine's death, I worked backwards and forwards on the census, and Ann Hampson does seem to be the connection. 1861 RG9/2875 f.35 - Glebe Road, Gorton William Smith (b1837, Timperley CHS, brick maker), Ann (b.1839, Stretford), Samuel (b.1861, Stretford) 1871 RG10/3971 f.64 - 2 Taylors Square, Chester Road William, Ann, John W (b1860 Stretford), Ellen (b1864 Stretford), Alice (b1868 Stretford), Mary J. (b1870 Stretford) 1881 RG11/3888 f.87 - 11 Taylors Square William (now general labourer), Ann, John W. (gen. lab.), Alice (nurse girl), Mary J., Annie (b.1873 Stretford), Kate (b.1875 Stretford), Amy (b1877 Stretford) 1881 RG 11/3888 f.113 - 89 King Street (head: John Lowe) Ellen (domestic servant) 1891 RG12/3159 f.117 - 11 Taylors Square William (now Local Board navvy), Ann, John W (washerwoman's packer), Alice (laundress), Mary J. (box maker), Amy, Jemima (b1882 Stretford) and Elizabeth G (grand-daughter b1889 Stretford) 1901 RG13/3665 f.93 - 1 Lacy Street, Stretford William (gen. lab.), Ann, John William (shipper's packer), Alice (no occ.), Mary Jane (junket powder maker), Kate, Amy (also junket powder maker), Jemima (buttonhole maker), and Elizabeth Gertrude (no occ.) So it looks as if the John that was linving at Diamond Court in 1861 is the same as the John William of later years. So thanks for the info. Best wishes Ian