Forwarded by ListOwner, please reply via the MESSAGE BOARD, thanks, Anne From: martinhib@btinternet.com <martinhib@btinternet.com> To: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001, 11:27:56 PM Subject: David Hampson, Bolton, Lancs. ===8<==============Original message text=============== This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VUh.2ACIB/105 Message Board Post: Hi Hampsons, I am searching for any information on a David Hampson born in Bolton? Lancs between 1795 and 1806. I think he married Mary Ann Thommason of Great Lever 08/07/1822 at Bolton St Peter. Davids father I think could also have been called David, he would have been born approx 1765-75 and would have married approx 1785-1805. Thanks. Martin. ===8<===========End of original message text===========

Hi everyone, I'm sorry to have to pass on some bad news about the list server mail - the Rootsweb list mail server went down for approx 12 hours from 3.30 a.m. MST (10.30 a.m. GMT), on Sunday 18th November, and ALL list mail during that time was lost. So, if you sent anything to this List during the 12 hours downtime, please resend it to the List as the first one will not appear. As ever, for any queries please contact me direct at e-mail address below. -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson

Mike I found the arms in Reitstap's Armorial General. i have done a quick search for Gandel but the only notable one I find relates to a Property company which isnt much use. Oh well keep on trying Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Ralph ( and Anne) > > I had a closer look, as you said, and I can see what you mean about the > crown. The sketch I have does not really help much except that it shows the > moto on the ribbon which is not very evident in the photo. > I have tried to search the internet for any references to Gandel of Lorraine > and there is not one that jumps out immediately as related. I have emailed a > geneology website that specialises in Lorraine and I am hoping I will get a > reply. > Meanwhile I suppose I will wander down to the library here and see what I > can find there. > What reference book did you find the arms in? Was there any other > information on the family Gandel? I have found a lot of references to > Gundel, but this appears to be Gernainc in origin. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > Mike > > The more I look at the coat of arms the more convinced I am that the > chapeau > > is in fact a coronet and the pearls are in fact cloverleaf peices above > the > > ring of the coronet. > > Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I > > only > > > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting > her > > > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will > forward > > > this as it has some more detail on it. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > > > agree > > > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read > > talk > > > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if > there > > is > > > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my > daughter > > > and > > > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but > that > > > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > > > library > > > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. > Mike > > if > > > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms > if > > > you > > > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > > > Ralph > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found > the > > > > owner of > > > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > > > Gandel of > > > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around > 1651. > > I > > > > cannot > > > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > > > description > > > > > RH> is exact. > > > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > > > further we dig! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > > > > Source for Family History Online. 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On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 10:14:26 AM, Michael wrote: ML> Ralph ( and Anne) ML> I had a closer look, as you said, and I can see what you mean about the ML> crown. The sketch I have does not really help much except that it shows the ML> moto on the ribbon which is not very evident in the photo. Hi Mike, Can you send me a copy of the photo and sketch as well please..? It may help whilst I'm digging through stuff here.. thanks :-) -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson

Mike The more I look at the coat of arms the more convinced I am that the chapeau is in fact a coronet and the pearls are in fact cloverleaf peices above the ring of the coronet. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Ralph > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I only > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward > this as it has some more detail on it. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > agree > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter > and > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > library > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if > you > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > > owner of > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > Gandel of > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I > > cannot > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > description > > > RH> is exact. > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > further we dig! > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > To view the HAMPSON Rootsweb GenConnect Boards or search facilities go to: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/h/a/HAMPSON/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: To post to the HAMPSON Rootsweb Mailing List > send to: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Ralph ( and Anne) I had a closer look, as you said, and I can see what you mean about the crown. The sketch I have does not really help much except that it shows the moto on the ribbon which is not very evident in the photo. I have tried to search the internet for any references to Gandel of Lorraine and there is not one that jumps out immediately as related. I have emailed a geneology website that specialises in Lorraine and I am hoping I will get a reply. Meanwhile I suppose I will wander down to the library here and see what I can find there. What reference book did you find the arms in? Was there any other information on the family Gandel? I have found a lot of references to Gundel, but this appears to be Gernainc in origin. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Mike > The more I look at the coat of arms the more convinced I am that the chapeau > is in fact a coronet and the pearls are in fact cloverleaf peices above the > ring of the coronet. > Ralph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > Ralph > > > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I > only > > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her > > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward > > this as it has some more detail on it. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > > agree > > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read > talk > > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there > is > > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter > > and > > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > > library > > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike > if > > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if > > you > > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > > Ralph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > > > owner of > > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > > Gandel of > > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. > I > > > cannot > > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > > description > > > > RH> is exact. > > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > > further we dig! > > > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cheers, > > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > Source for Family History Online. 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Forwarded by ListOwner, please reply via the MESSAGE BOARD, thanks, Anne From: Beverly Hampson <bhampson@qwest.net> To: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001, 10:46:37 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [HAMPSON] Fwd: {not a subscriber} Re: William Hampson ===8<==============Original message text=============== Oh, how we wish this was our William but the facts just don't fit. Our William came over from England in 1845. The next years are unknown but in 1860, he was in the Civil War and later went to farming in MO. He stayed there the rest of his life. We'll sure keep an eye out for your William. Thanks so much for the response. Sincerely, Walt Hampson ===8<===========End of original message text===========

Mike Thanks for the thanks. I have a couple more references to check yet and i will let you know if I find anything. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawton" <Michael@lawtonm.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > Ralph > > I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I only > just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her > several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward > this as it has some more detail on it. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I > agree > > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk > > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is > > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter > and > > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy > library > > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if > > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if > you > > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > > Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > > owner of > > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > > Gandel of > > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I > > cannot > > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > > description > > > RH> is exact. > > > RH> Ralph > > > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > > further we dig! > > > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > > letters to the list > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > To view the HAMPSON Rootsweb GenConnect Boards or search facilities go to: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/h/a/HAMPSON/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: To post to the HAMPSON Rootsweb Mailing List > send to: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Ralph I am sorry but the arms is in the possession of a cousin of mine and I only just managed to get the poor photo by bribing my Aunt who was visiting her several years ago. I do have a sketch made by my cousin and I will forward this as it has some more detail on it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Hampson" <debolbec@bigpond.net.au> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I agree > with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk > exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is > any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter and > family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that > will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the > National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy library > as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if > you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if you > have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. > Ralph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> > To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM > Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > > > > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the > owner of > > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of > Gandel of > > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I > cannot > > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the > description > > RH> is exact. > > RH> Ralph > > > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > > further we dig! > > > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > > Garton, Hampson > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain > letters to the list > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > To view the HAMPSON Rootsweb GenConnect Boards or search facilities go to: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/h/a/HAMPSON/ > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

The image Mike sent me is a little blurred so detail is not obvious. I agree with you about the pearls on the chapeau. The authorities I have read talk exclusively about garlands, circlets and chains around the hat if there is any ornamentation. I havent had too much time on this yet as my daughter and family are moving house and Dad gets to be the family chauffeur but that will all be over this weekend so I will try to organise a day at the National Library and possibly some time at the Defence Force Academy library as they have a good collection of military and associated history. Mike if you read this would you be willing to mail a clearer copy of the arms if you have one? My address is 51 Elkedra Close, Hawker,ACT, Australia 2614. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: Re[4]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: > > RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the owner of > RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of Gandel of > RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I cannot > RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the description > RH> is exact. > RH> Ralph > > Nice one Ralph :-) > > Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly > relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What > might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the > further we dig! > > By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the > chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the > chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. > > -- > Cheers, > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > Garton, Hampson > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: Please do not send virus warnings, adverts or chain letters to the list > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Forwarded by ListOwner, please reply via the MESSAGE BOARD, thanks, Anne From: rih-jr@juno.com <rih-jr@juno.com> To: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 09, 2001, 12:49:44 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: William Hampson ===8<==============Original message text=============== This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VUh.2ACIB/4.5.6.7.21.22.23.25 Message Board Post: A William Hampson (not sure if that is his name) was my great grandfather. He lived in Homestead Pa at the turn of the 20th century. He had at least 4 sons, Charles, James, Leonard (who died in his 20's) and Homer. Charles Edward was my grandfather. William had a motorcycle distributorship. My dad, Robert Ira Hampson, Sr (I'm a Jr.) had a picture of William with his sons with each son standing with a motorcycle. The picture dates to around 1910 or possibly before. If any of this information matches anything you have, I'd appreciate a reply Thanks, Bob Hampson ===8<===========End of original message text===========

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Anne: further to my email this morning please do not beleive the information shown by Walter. The coat of arms he shows is that of Sir Robert Hampson who was an Alderman of the City of London and who was made baronet by King James I around 1620 He originated from Buckinghamshire.The Hampson name probaly comes from Cheshire or Lancashire since that is where 70-80 per cent of Hampsons lived until the 19th century. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: Re[2]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > On Tuesday, November 06, 2001, 5:57:49 PM, Michael wrote: > > ML> Anne > > ML> Not quite- unless someone has tampered with the original to make my arms > ML> up!. > ML> It consists of a chevron argent with three rampant lions d'or on a red field > ML> with the moto "Courage sans peur" A Chapeau with four pearls and a tassel on > ML> one side. Rather elaborate with ermine draped around the outside. > ML> Might be connected to the other side of the family the Ratcliffes but an > ML> elderly relative insists it was from the Hampson side. > > ML> Thanks for your information though. > > ML> Mike > > Hi again Mike, > > I've been doing some more digging and I still can't track down the > coat of arms you've quoted at all :-( > > The Ratcliffes' arms are different again... being very similar to > those of the Radcliffes... (of Radcliffe Tower in the town of my > birth, so I know the arms well). > > Radcliffe is Argent, two bends engrailed sable, a label gules, and > Ratcliffe is Argent, a bend engrailed sable. Not a rampant lion > between them I'm afraid :-( > > I'm off to the library shortly though, so shall have a poke through > the reference books there and see if I can pin it down.. maybe the > motto will yield a clue, as I know there is a reference book of > mottoes in my library too. > > Incidentally, if you want to see the arms of Hampson, take a look at > Walter Hampson's website here on rootsweb at > http://hampson.rootsweb.com/origin.htm - he has a description and a > picture, along with some background info. > > -- > Cheers, > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > Garton, Hampson > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: To post to the HAMPSON Rootsweb Mailing List > send to: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the owner of the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of Gandel of Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I cannot find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the description is exact. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: Re[2]: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > On Tuesday, November 06, 2001, 5:57:49 PM, Michael wrote: > > ML> Anne > > ML> Not quite- unless someone has tampered with the original to make my arms > ML> up!. > ML> It consists of a chevron argent with three rampant lions d'or on a red field > ML> with the moto "Courage sans peur" A Chapeau with four pearls and a tassel on > ML> one side. Rather elaborate with ermine draped around the outside. > ML> Might be connected to the other side of the family the Ratcliffes but an > ML> elderly relative insists it was from the Hampson side. > > ML> Thanks for your information though. > > ML> Mike > > Hi again Mike, > > I've been doing some more digging and I still can't track down the > coat of arms you've quoted at all :-( > > The Ratcliffes' arms are different again... being very similar to > those of the Radcliffes... (of Radcliffe Tower in the town of my > birth, so I know the arms well). > > Radcliffe is Argent, two bends engrailed sable, a label gules, and > Ratcliffe is Argent, a bend engrailed sable. Not a rampant lion > between them I'm afraid :-( > > I'm off to the library shortly though, so shall have a poke through > the reference books there and see if I can pin it down.. maybe the > motto will yield a clue, as I know there is a reference book of > mottoes in my library too. > > Incidentally, if you want to see the arms of Hampson, take a look at > Walter Hampson's website here on rootsweb at > http://hampson.rootsweb.com/origin.htm - he has a description and a > picture, along with some background info. > > -- > Cheers, > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > Garton, Hampson > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: To post to the HAMPSON Rootsweb Mailing List > send to: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:52:41 PM, Ralph wrote: RH> Anne: further to my email this morning please do not beleive the information RH> shown by Walter. The coat of arms he shows is that of Sir Robert Hampson who RH> was an Alderman of the City of London and who was made baronet by King James RH> I around 1620 He originated from Buckinghamshire.The Hampson name probaly RH> comes from Cheshire or Lancashire since that is where 70-80 per cent of RH> Hampsons lived until the 19th century. RH> Ralph Hi Ralph, Thanks for this clarification. I'd read a while ago about the arms-bearing Hampson but couldn't recall his background. I agree about the Lancs/Cheshire origins - my Hmapsons were all Lancs born and bred :-) -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson

On Thursday, November 08, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Ralph wrote: RH> Anne and Mike Greetings from down under! I think I have found the owner of RH> the Coat of Arms. It is not english! The exact shield is that of Gandel of RH> Lorraine presumably Vicomte Gandel and it was granted around 1651. I cannot RH> find any associated furniture such as a crest or motto but the description RH> is exact. RH> Ralph Nice one Ralph :-) Now this raises even more questions... why would Mike's elderly relative be convinced that this was to do with the Hampsons..? What might the connection be..? It's getting more and more curious the further we dig! By the way, what puzzles me is Mike said there are pearls on the chapeau.. I've looked through all my heraldry books and none of the chapeaux have pearls on them.. only the crowns do. -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson

On Tuesday, November 06, 2001, 5:57:49 PM, Michael wrote: ML> Anne ML> Not quite- unless someone has tampered with the original to make my arms ML> up!. ML> It consists of a chevron argent with three rampant lions d'or on a red field ML> with the moto "Courage sans peur" A Chapeau with four pearls and a tassel on ML> one side. Rather elaborate with ermine draped around the outside. ML> Might be connected to the other side of the family the Ratcliffes but an ML> elderly relative insists it was from the Hampson side. ML> Thanks for your information though. ML> Mike Hi again Mike, I've been doing some more digging and I still can't track down the coat of arms you've quoted at all :-( The Ratcliffes' arms are different again... being very similar to those of the Radcliffes... (of Radcliffe Tower in the town of my birth, so I know the arms well). Radcliffe is Argent, two bends engrailed sable, a label gules, and Ratcliffe is Argent, a bend engrailed sable. Not a rampant lion between them I'm afraid :-( I'm off to the library shortly though, so shall have a poke through the reference books there and see if I can pin it down.. maybe the motto will yield a clue, as I know there is a reference book of mottoes in my library too. Incidentally, if you want to see the arms of Hampson, take a look at Walter Hampson's website here on rootsweb at http://hampson.rootsweb.com/origin.htm - he has a description and a picture, along with some background info. -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson

Posting again my search for Hampsons who moved to America. I have only three, second generation Hampsons to go by: (1) LAURA AUGUSTA HEMPSON, born 28 June 1865 in Tarrytown, NY (or possibly Yonkers, nearby), married George Stainton TELFORD from St. Bees, Cumberland, and died 1906 in NY City and (2) a sister, FRANCINE who married Apsley BOULDING in NY and ELI HAMPSON, from Yonkers, NY who served in the Union forces in the Civil War (photo here). Would appreciate any info on this family, parents, siblings, etc. Bob Telford, Long Beach, CA, USA

Anne Not quite- unless someone has tampered with the original to make my arms up!. It consists of a chevron argent with three rampant lions d'or on a red field with the moto "Courage sans peur" A Chapeau with four pearls and a tassel on one side. Rather elaborate with ermine draped around the outside. Might be connected to the other side of the family the Ratcliffes but an elderly relative insists it was from the Hampson side. Thanks for your information though. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net> To: <HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [HAMPSON] Re: HAMPSON-D Digest V01 #28 > On Monday, November 05, 2001, 1:29:39 PM, Michael wrote: > > ML> There were relatives who said that the Hampsons were supposed to e > ML> related to an earl and I have a photo of a coat of arms of a baron > ML> that a great aunt has but I have not been able to trace the arms (as > ML> yet). Any connections? I can send you the photo/arms if anyone is > ML> interested! Mike > > Hi Mike, > > The Blazons! 95 program lists the blazon for Hampson thus: > > Argent three hemp-breaks sable > > [Translation for those not heraldically minded: Silver shield with > three black hemp-breaks on it, in a 2 at the top and one at the bottom > arrangement. The hemp-break look a bit like a large toothed hairclip > sat on top of a builders' tressle!) > > Does this sound like the photo you have Mike? > > -- > Cheers, > Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net > > ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield > > Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, > Garton, Hampson > > > > ==== HAMPSON Mailing List ==== > List guidelines: To post to the HAMPSON Rootsweb Mailing List > send to: HAMPSON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

On Monday, November 05, 2001, 1:29:39 PM, Michael wrote: ML> There were relatives who said that the Hampsons were supposed to e ML> related to an earl and I have a photo of a coat of arms of a baron ML> that a great aunt has but I have not been able to trace the arms (as ML> yet). Any connections? I can send you the photo/arms if anyone is ML> interested! Mike Hi Mike, The Blazons! 95 program lists the blazon for Hampson thus: Argent three hemp-breaks sable [Translation for those not heraldically minded: Silver shield with three black hemp-breaks on it, in a 2 at the top and one at the bottom arrangement. The hemp-break look a bit like a large toothed hairclip sat on top of a builders' tressle!) Does this sound like the photo you have Mike? -- Cheers, Anne mailto:Anne.Nichols@ukgateway.net ListOwner: Docwra, Dockery, Garton, Hampson, Schofield Message Board Admin: Docwra, Dockery, Dockerill, Dockrey, Dockrill, Garton, Hampson