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I went to Marchwood today to get photos of Liberty of the Seas the largest ship in the World and Ocean Village2 and as a lot of you asked for photos they can be seen at http://herforder-association.org.uk/ships.htm click on the thumbnail and bring up the full size pic If you want a copy of any of them Download them at your leisure as they are full size around 2Mb each Chris

Though this marriage didn't take place in Hampshire, I assume the same rules would apply: Is there a minimum age at which someone can sign as a witness to a marriage? The marriage in question, of my great-grandparents, took place in London in 1897. The two witnesses were the bride's father, and a cousin of the groom - who was only 13 at the time. Surely a child of that age couldn't take legal responsibility for such a signature, as it's done to prove the marriage itself was legal? Margaret

Off topic but may be of interest to anyone in the South of England or the Isle of Wight (Not White as Royal Mail would have us believe!!) LOL World largest cruise ship to dock at Southampton Tomorrow (sorry today now!) http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/latest/display.var.1338900.0.shipping_spectacular.php Mon Tues Wed firework displays and a large number of the worlds biggest cruise ships Chris

Brand new stamps issued by Royal Mail have had to be recalled after an embarrassing spelling mistake was spotted. Reams of the commemorative stamps have been printed with an adjoining image of the Needles and the words 'Isle of White' underneath. Red faced Royal Mail has now had to recall the stamps, which were produced for St Georges Day, to correct the mistake. The error is likely to have cost the company thousands but Royal Mail is refusing to say how much. The stamps had already been issued to post offices across the country ahead of their official launch on Monday. For those of us who are not familiar with this island it is the Isle of Wight! And not White!!

Found this one David is this the one you tried? dolinaclarke@compuserve.com Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Gamekeeper Thank you for the information in response to my Gamekeeper question. Deborah mentioned Dolinda Clarke of Portobello Rd. as having at least a partial index. A google search game me her e-mail address, so I wrote her, but sadly it is not a current address. Now I could write her, but like some others I can be a trifle impatient, so if anyone has a current address.... One of mine was employed on the Beaudesert Estate - one of the seats of the Paget family (Marquis of Anglesey), in fact he died there in an accident in 1874. Another. his son, was employed on Wandon Lodge. Thank you David *************************************** When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000734-3, 04/19/2007 Tested on: 4/19/2007 11:23:31 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

My mothers brother was a gamekeeper at Sparhsolt near Winchester for most of his life having learnt the skills from another gamekeeper at a very young age, he had three dogs two Spaniels and a labrador which were all working dogs. Not sure what his wages were but he was working right up to the 1960s before retiring. He lived in a cottage in the village but other gamekeepers used to sometimes live in a tied cottage, that is a cottage that goes with the job and normally on the estate. His duties had him up working at 6;30am and he often did not finish till it was dark, long days in the summer months. He was in charge of the rearing and keeping of pheasants and other game birds and also monitored some local deer, as well as keeping an eye open for poachers. Often there was a separate water bailiff in charge of the rivers but occassionally this came under the juristiction of the gamekeeper as well so they had a lot of responsibility Some of these gamekeepers used to do extra duties just ask Mellors from Lady Chatterley!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Gamekeeoers I have a number of ancestors who were described in the Victorian Censuses as "gamekeepers" 1. At that time were there professional standards or could anyone so describe himself? I presume that there was no formal training, simply learning from an "master" gamekeeper, a sort of informal apprenticeship. 2. I assume that all gamekeepers were employed on various estates. How can one discover on which estate an ancestor worked? 3. Is there a central record of gamekeepers? 4. During the Victorian period were there many gamekeeper and what would be their social status, and relative income? Was the social standing of the employer reflected in that of his gamekeeper? 5. Would a gamekeeper live on the estate or in the village? I would appreciate any information Thank you. David

No Chris it is not. I have now tried it and will wait and see. Thanks for your help. Mellors? Remember. Chris. that the book, particularly the Italian edition, was banned in my youth, so how could I have possibly have read it? David Unfortunately that address also bounced. Thanks anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <crhayles@btinternet.com> To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Gamekeeper > Found this one David is this the one you tried? > dolinaclarke@compuserve.com > Chris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> > To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:26 PM > Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Gamekeeper > > > Thank you for the information in response to my Gamekeeper > question. > Deborah mentioned Dolinda Clarke of Portobello Rd. as having at least a > partial index. A google search game me her e-mail address, so I wrote > her, > but sadly it is not a current address. Now I could write her, but like > some > others I can be a trifle impatient, so if anyone has a current address.... > > One of mine was employed on the Beaudesert Estate - one of the seats of > the Paget family (Marquis of Anglesey), in fact he died there in an > accident > in 1874. Another. his son, was employed on Wandon Lodge. > > Thank you > > David > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list > members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything > which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the > footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 000734-3, 04/19/2007 > Tested on: 4/19/2007 11:23:31 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list > members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything > which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the > footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all Australian Researchers There is a book in the Library called "Web Sites for Genealogists" by CORA NUM I sure the library will get it in for you if you request it nicely It contains hundreds of Web sites for all the states and other parts of the world

Thank you for the information in response to my Gamekeeper question. Deborah mentioned Dolinda Clarke of Portobello Rd. as having at least a partial index. A google search game me her e-mail address, so I wrote her, but sadly it is not a current address. Now I could write her, but like some others I can be a trifle impatient, so if anyone has a current address.... One of mine was employed on the Beaudesert Estate - one of the seats of the Paget family (Marquis of Anglesey), in fact he died there in an accident in 1874. Another. his son, was employed on Wandon Lodge. Thank you David

Just found details of the Gamekeepers Index (via Google) - although this mentions Berkshire, I am sure that it is much more widespread Debbie During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries gamekeepers had to have a licence from the quarter sessions and this list of licences has been indexed for most of Berkshire. In addition, on an annual basis (usually in September), local newspapers published the complete list of licensees. To consult the database send a stamped addressed envelope each name to Dolina Clarke, 22 including a cheque for £3 for Portobello Grove, Fareham, Hants P016 8HU. Deborah Tiley wrote: > Hi David > > I can't answer all your questions, but gamekeepers had to be licensed - > these were often published in local newspapers (which give the employers > names)- try Richard Heaton's wonderful newspaper indexes > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dutillieul/index.html > > I believe there is a gamekeepers index - but sorry I can't remember the > contact details > > Hope this helps in some small way > > Debbie > > > > > David Parker wrote: > >> I have a number of ancestors who were described in the Victorian Censuses as "gamekeepers" >> >> 1. At that time were there professional standards or could anyone so describe himself? I presume that there was no formal training, simply learning from an "master" gamekeeper, a sort of informal apprenticeship. >> 2. I assume that all gamekeepers were employed on various estates. How can one discover on which estate an ancestor worked? >> 3. Is there a central record of gamekeepers? >> 4. During the Victorian period were there many gamekeeper and what would be their social status, and relative income? Was the social standing of the employer reflected in that of his gamekeeper? >> 5. Would a gamekeeper live on the estate or in the village? >> >> I would appreciate any information >> >> Thank you. >> >> David >> *************************************** >> >> When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi David I can't answer all your questions, but gamekeepers had to be licensed - these were often published in local newspapers (which give the employers names)- try Richard Heaton's wonderful newspaper indexes http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dutillieul/index.html I believe there is a gamekeepers index - but sorry I can't remember the contact details Hope this helps in some small way Debbie David Parker wrote: > I have a number of ancestors who were described in the Victorian Censuses as "gamekeepers" > > 1. At that time were there professional standards or could anyone so describe himself? I presume that there was no formal training, simply learning from an "master" gamekeeper, a sort of informal apprenticeship. > 2. I assume that all gamekeepers were employed on various estates. How can one discover on which estate an ancestor worked? > 3. Is there a central record of gamekeepers? > 4. During the Victorian period were there many gamekeeper and what would be their social status, and relative income? Was the social standing of the employer reflected in that of his gamekeeper? > 5. Would a gamekeeper live on the estate or in the village? > > I would appreciate any information > > Thank you. > > David > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

I have a number of ancestors who were described in the Victorian Censuses as "gamekeepers" 1. At that time were there professional standards or could anyone so describe himself? I presume that there was no formal training, simply learning from an "master" gamekeeper, a sort of informal apprenticeship. 2. I assume that all gamekeepers were employed on various estates. How can one discover on which estate an ancestor worked? 3. Is there a central record of gamekeepers? 4. During the Victorian period were there many gamekeeper and what would be their social status, and relative income? Was the social standing of the employer reflected in that of his gamekeeper? 5. Would a gamekeeper live on the estate or in the village? I would appreciate any information Thank you. David

The following updates and new additions have now been added to our website the SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://southernlife.org.uk UPDATE/ADDITION: HAMPSHIRE Hedge End - old photos of Hedge End carnival and horse drawn caravans http://www.southernlife.org.uk/hedgend.htm We are constantly looking out for photographs (new and old) and articles to add to the villages. Especially to those villages we have not added photographs to. If you have any old or new photographs you would like to share with others please email us BEFORE sending them for security reasons. A credit will be placed with the article/photo acknowledging the sender or photographer. Visit our website to see where your forefathers lived SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://Southernlife.org.uk History of the Hampshire, Dorset and IOW Villages,Towns and Churches

Hello Jenny Many thanks for that. Shortly after I sent my message, I found them on the 1881 census. But despite my best attempts so far they elude me - their children as well - on the 1891 and 1901. I could understand even if several of the family had died, but all of them!! The same thng has happened with Elizabeth's sister Alice, who married George Francis Cole. No sign of either, or any possible children, on the 1901. Since so many of my mother's family emigrated, I'm beginning to wonder if these girls did the same. Especially with George Cole's job, he could have gone to work mapping new territories. I shall keep looking - it took me a great deal of time to find a 3 x g.grandmother with the surname Edmonds - she was actually under Edwardes! Very best wishes, and hope the crcket goes well. Don't watch it myself, I prefer rugby! Margaret On 4/17/07, jennifer wilson <lizzygold@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi Margaret, > > After the recent listing with all the info for you from Jo I have located > Thomas & Elizabeth Reeves in 1881. I will send you a copy privately. > > Will keep looking but the cricket is on in a moment. > > Regards > Jenny > > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list > members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything > which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the > footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Margaret, After the recent listing with all the info for you from Jo I have located Thomas & Elizabeth Reeves in 1881. I will send you a copy privately. Will keep looking but the cricket is on in a moment. Regards Jenny

Hi Margaret, well, get cooking !! Here's what I have in my Thomas notes (no connection to mine by the way). Hope it doesn't fragment too much when it hits the Rootsweb list. Have sent it to your email address as well. best wishes Jo Martin St Mary, Southampton baptism register 16 October 1853 Frances Jane d/o Philip Henry & Elizabeth THOMAS 48 Bevois Street carpenter Millbrook cemetery monumental inscription Frances Jane THOMAS sister of Ellen Mary THOMAS died 26 May 1860 age 7 years Millbrook Church burial register 30 May 1860 Frances Jane THOMAS Freemantle age 6 years 7 months St Mary, Southampton baptism register 17 August 1851 Elizabeth Ann d/o Philip Henry & Elizabeth THOMAS 48 Bevois Street joiner born 21 July 1851 marriage at Freemantle 4 April 1874 Thomas William REEVES full age bachelor clerk Freemantle father: William REEVES deceased Elizabeth Ann THOMAS full age spinster (no occ) Freemantle father: Philip Henry THOMAS joiner witnesses: Philip Henry THOMAS Mary Charlotte ALFORD by banns (sorry, didn't make a note of the entry number) baptism at St Mary, Southampton 10 August 1856 Ellen Mary d/o Philip Henry & Elizabeth THOMAS 48 Bevois Street carpenter baptism at Freemantle 24 November 1861 Alice Eliza d/o Philip Henry & Elizabeth THOMAS Elgin Road, Freemantle joiner marriage at Freemantle 28 June 1881 George Francis COLE & Alice Eliza THOMAS (sorry no other details ask So'ton archives to check the card index for you) baptism at Freemantle 19 March 1865 Gertrude Kate d/o Philip Henry & Elizabeth THOMAS Freemantle joiner Freemantle burial register 20 March 1884 Philip Henry THOMAS Freemantle age 59 Millbrook cemetery monumental inscription Philip Henry THOMAS husband of Elizabeth THOMAS died 15 March 1884 age 59 years

Hi Margaret I'll check the 1881 GB census and get back if I find anything Best regards Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Usmar" <margaretusmar@gmail.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Desperation! > Whilst I appreciate that this is not a genealogy forum as such, I have > reached a point of desperation and if the Devil himself knocked on my door > clutching the information I need, I'd invite him in and give him dinner! > > My great-grandfather was Charles Edward Thomas, born 1859 in South > Stoneham > to Philip Henry Thomas and Elizabeth (nee Mills). Charles had six sisters, > and although I have a few tentative possibilities for marriages, I have > yet > to trace any of them. > > Elizabeth Ann born Bevois Street, Southampton 1851 - possibly died in > infancy > > Frances Jane born Bevois Street, Southampton 1853 - possibly died in > infancy > > Ellen Mary born Bevois Street, Southampton 1856 > > Alice Eliza born Elgin Road, Freemantle 1862 (witnessed her brother's > marriage) > > Florence Blanche born Southampton 1864 > > Gertrude Kate born Southampton 1865 > > Anyone who can help will earn my undying thanks..... > > Margaret > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list > members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything > which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the > footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The following updates and new additions have now been added to our website the SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://southernlife.org.uk UPDATE/ADDITION: ISLE OF WIGHT OLD ISLE OF WIGHT a selection of visitors old photos and postcards of the island http://www.southernlife.org.uk/wight_old.htm We are constantly looking out for photographs (new and old) and articles to add to the villages. Especially to those villages we have not added photographs to. If you have any old or new photographs you would like to share with others please email us BEFORE sending them for security reasons. A credit will be placed with the article/photo acknowledging the sender or photographer. Visit our website to see where your forefathers lived SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://Southernlife.org.uk History of the Hampshire, Dorset and IOW Villages,Towns and Churches

Whilst I appreciate that this is not a genealogy forum as such, I have reached a point of desperation and if the Devil himself knocked on my door clutching the information I need, I'd invite him in and give him dinner! My great-grandfather was Charles Edward Thomas, born 1859 in South Stoneham to Philip Henry Thomas and Elizabeth (nee Mills). Charles had six sisters, and although I have a few tentative possibilities for marriages, I have yet to trace any of them. Elizabeth Ann born Bevois Street, Southampton 1851 - possibly died in infancy Frances Jane born Bevois Street, Southampton 1853 - possibly died in infancy Ellen Mary born Bevois Street, Southampton 1856 Alice Eliza born Elgin Road, Freemantle 1862 (witnessed her brother's marriage) Florence Blanche born Southampton 1864 Gertrude Kate born Southampton 1865 Anyone who can help will earn my undying thanks..... Margaret