Some of you will know of Ann Barrett as a keen and active member of the Isle of Wight list and of her valuable work for family history. Her husband, Les, has been her helper and supporter for many years, without whom she would have been unable to do all the work she has done. During the last few weeks he has been very ill and his time has been divided between home and the Mountbatten Hospice. This morning he passed away. I am sure you will join with me in sympathy for Ann in her loss. If any of you wish to send cards of sympathy her home address is 17 Southfield Gardens, Haylands, RYDE, ISLE OF WIGHT, PO33 3EF Chris

Had a photo sent me today that may interest most of you, that shows that Genealogy could have been active in the 50s and 60s Take a look at the last photo of the paper bag on the page at http://www.southernlife.org.uk/ryde.htm Especially the last line under the commercial!! Chris

Your Family Tree magazine will be doing an article about this occupation next edition. Hilary

My grandfather was born in Longstock so I was particularly interested Chris. Thanks for a lovely set of photos. Moya Page, researching BANTING/BANTEN/BANTUM - One Name Study GOONS # 4570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <crhayles@btinternet.com> To: "HAMPSHIRE-LIFE" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com>; "ENG-HAMPSHIRE" <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Village website updates The following updates and new additions have now been added to our website the SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://southernlife.org.uk UPDATE/ADDITION: HAMPSHIRE FULLERTON - New village added http://www.southernlife.org.uk/fullerton.htm LONGSTOCK - Photos added http://www.southernlife.org.uk/longstoc.htm St Mary's Church - Longstock, history and photos added http://www.southernlife.org.uk/longstockchurch.htm We are constantly looking out for photographs (new and old) and articles to add to the villages. Especially to those villages we have not added photographs to. If you have any old or new photographs you would like to share with others please email us BEFORE sending them for security reasons. A credit will be placed with the article/photo acknowledging the sender or photographer. Visit our website to see where your forefathers lived SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://Southernlife.org.uk History of the Hampshire, Dorset and IOW Villages,Towns and Churches ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following updates and new additions have now been added to our website the SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://southernlife.org.uk UPDATE/ADDITION: HAMPSHIRE FULLERTON - New village added http://www.southernlife.org.uk/fullerton.htm LONGSTOCK - Photos added http://www.southernlife.org.uk/longstoc.htm St Mary's Church - Longstock, history and photos added http://www.southernlife.org.uk/longstockchurch.htm We are constantly looking out for photographs (new and old) and articles to add to the villages. Especially to those villages we have not added photographs to. If you have any old or new photographs you would like to share with others please email us BEFORE sending them for security reasons. A credit will be placed with the article/photo acknowledging the sender or photographer. Visit our website to see where your forefathers lived SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://Southernlife.org.uk History of the Hampshire, Dorset and IOW Villages,Towns and Churches

Dear folks, not only did cordwainers consider themselves a cut above bootmakers but, at least in 18th century Scotland, they wished it known that they were also not common shoemakers since they made 'single-soled shoes'. Cordovan was originally goatskin tanned and dressed, but later of course included split horsehide. Cordwainers are mentioned in 1100 (at a time when Cordovan was Moorish) often as cordiner or cordner, shoemakers in 1365, bootmakers 1630 (though boot dates from 1186 and the surname Boot means bootmaker). David

I stand corrected, only went by the info given me and have had this poem for years Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <quantumleap@tesco.net> To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Shoemakers, Bootmakers and Cordwainders I believe you will find that these are traditional tunes with new lyrics written by Barry Took and Marty Feldman. They are so credited on the LP of the Best of Rambling Syd Rumpo which I have in my collection. On 29 Apr 2007 at 1:15, Chris & Caroline wrote: > But I don't think this was Rambling Sid it was long before his time that > it was > written so I have been informed!! Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quantumleap@tesco.net> > To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> > > Ah, those were the days .... Rambling Syd Saturday lunchtimes ! > > I, Douglas Smith, will play the part of the tree .... > > On 27 Apr 2007 at 22:14, Chris & Caroline wrote: > > > You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David > > as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new > > Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler > > cobbled shoes from USED leather! > > > > Chris > > > > "Joe he was a young cordwangler, > > Monging greebles did he go; > > And he loved a bogler's daughter > > By the name of Chiswick Flo. > > > > Vain she was and like a grusset, > > And her gander-parts were fine; > > But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle > > As it hung upon the line. > > > > So he stole a woggler's moolie > > For to make a wedding-ring, > > But the Bow Street Runners caught him > > And the judge said 'You will swing!' > > > > Oh, they hung him by the postern, > > Nailed his moolies to the fence - > > For to warn all young cordwanglers > > That it was a grave offence. > > > > There's a moral to this story, > > Though your gander-parts be poor - > > Keep your hands off others' moolies, > > For it is against the Law. Ian James, Torquay, UK THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SWEPT FOR VIRUSES BY NORTON ANTIVIRUS *************************************** When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000736-2, 04/26/2007 Tested on: 4/29/2007 11:30:38 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

I believe you will find that these are traditional tunes with new lyrics written by Barry Took and Marty Feldman. They are so credited on the LP of the Best of Rambling Syd Rumpo which I have in my collection. On 29 Apr 2007 at 1:15, Chris & Caroline wrote: > But I don't think this was Rambling Sid it was long before his time that it was > written so I have been informed!! Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quantumleap@tesco.net> > To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> > > Ah, those were the days .... Rambling Syd Saturday lunchtimes ! > > I, Douglas Smith, will play the part of the tree .... > > On 27 Apr 2007 at 22:14, Chris & Caroline wrote: > > > You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David > > as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new > > Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler > > cobbled shoes from USED leather! > > > > Chris > > > > "Joe he was a young cordwangler, > > Monging greebles did he go; > > And he loved a bogler's daughter > > By the name of Chiswick Flo. > > > > Vain she was and like a grusset, > > And her gander-parts were fine; > > But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle > > As it hung upon the line. > > > > So he stole a woggler's moolie > > For to make a wedding-ring, > > But the Bow Street Runners caught him > > And the judge said 'You will swing!' > > > > Oh, they hung him by the postern, > > Nailed his moolies to the fence - > > For to warn all young cordwanglers > > That it was a grave offence. > > > > There's a moral to this story, > > Though your gander-parts be poor - > > Keep your hands off others' moolies, > > For it is against the Law. Ian James, Torquay, UK THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SWEPT FOR VIRUSES BY NORTON ANTIVIRUS

But I don't think this was Rambling Sid it was long before his time that it was written so I have been informed!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <quantumleap@tesco.net> To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Shoemakers, Bootmakers and Cordwainders Ah, those were the days .... Rambling Syd Saturday lunchtimes ! I, Douglas Smith, will play the part of the tree .... On 27 Apr 2007 at 22:14, Chris & Caroline wrote: > You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David > as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new > Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler > cobbled shoes from USED leather! > > Chris > > "Joe he was a young cordwangler, > Monging greebles did he go; > And he loved a bogler's daughter > By the name of Chiswick Flo. > > Vain she was and like a grusset, > And her gander-parts were fine; > But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle > As it hung upon the line. > > So he stole a woggler's moolie > For to make a wedding-ring, > But the Bow Street Runners caught him > And the judge said 'You will swing!' > > Oh, they hung him by the postern, > Nailed his moolies to the fence - > For to warn all young cordwanglers > That it was a grave offence. > > There's a moral to this story, > Though your gander-parts be poor - > Keep your hands off others' moolies, > For it is against the Law. Ian James, Torquay, UK THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SWEPT FOR VIRUSES BY NORTON ANTIVIRUS *************************************** When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000736-2, 04/26/2007 Tested on: 4/29/2007 1:14:00 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Ah, those were the days .... Rambling Syd Saturday lunchtimes ! I, Douglas Smith, will play the part of the tree .... On 27 Apr 2007 at 22:14, Chris & Caroline wrote: > You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David > as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new > Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler > cobbled shoes from USED leather! > > Chris > > "Joe he was a young cordwangler, > Monging greebles did he go; > And he loved a bogler's daughter > By the name of Chiswick Flo. > > Vain she was and like a grusset, > And her gander-parts were fine; > But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle > As it hung upon the line. > > So he stole a woggler's moolie > For to make a wedding-ring, > But the Bow Street Runners caught him > And the judge said 'You will swing!' > > Oh, they hung him by the postern, > Nailed his moolies to the fence - > For to warn all young cordwanglers > That it was a grave offence. > > There's a moral to this story, > Though your gander-parts be poor - > Keep your hands off others' moolies, > For it is against the Law. Ian James, Torquay, UK THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SWEPT FOR VIRUSES BY NORTON ANTIVIRUS

Like you and Len Payne I was also an ink monitor!! Having to mix up that powder and pour the mixture into those little porcelain inkwells! And those scratchy pens we had to write with!! Thank goodness Mr Biro came along! Another job I had was to re ink and load stencils onto the Gestettner ready for the school secretary to wind the handle and print the "daily orders" Funny thing was though when I was in the army I was made Troop Clerk and guess what? Yep I was using the Gestettners again! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Monitors I was the "Register monitor" in Redlands Lane Infants in 1941. One night a bomb landed on the school field, and all of us were forbidden to go anywhere near the crater. However at the morning break, I was the first to run out to it, and as a punishment I lost my exalted position. I must admire those who at that early age showed a scientific bent and were appointed as "ink monitors" As I was the last in Junior school to move from pencil to pen, my writing is still illegible, such a position would not have been for me. However, my research has shown that the monitors of Victorian era were somewhat different. This appears to have been the situation. Although the 1870 Education Act provided free and compulsory education for all, the minimum school leaving was 13. Some children were at that age employed as pupil teachers. In many cases there were as many as 100 student to a class and the teachers were assisted by "monitors", some as young as nine who had been instructed in their work by the head master. I would assume it was done for no pay, but it could be a stepping stone for a future career as a teacher. Thank you for your replies. David

I was the "Register monitor" in Redlands Lane Infants in 1941. One night a bomb landed on the school field, and all of us were forbidden to go anywhere near the crater. However at the morning break, I was the first to run out to it, and as a punishment I lost my exalted position. I must admire those who at that early age showed a scientific bent and were appointed as "ink monitors" As I was the last in Junior school to move from pencil to pen, my writing is still illegible, such a position would not have been for me. However, my research has shown that the monitors of Victorian era were somewhat different. This appears to have been the situation. Although the 1870 Education Act provided free and compulsory education for all, the minimum school leaving was 13. Some children were at that age employed as pupil teachers. In many cases there were as many as 100 student to a class and the teachers were assisted by "monitors", some as young as nine who had been instructed in their work by the head master. I would assume it was done for no pay, but it could be a stepping stone for a future career as a teacher. Thank you for your replies. David

Now thats a typical Dorset answer to me!! LOL Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davy Cannon" <davy.cannon1@btinternet.com> To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation >in medieval times the shoe seller, shoe maker and the leather cutters would >be found on the same street either as individuals >or as a team. Sounds like a load of old cobblers to me....... Davy Cannon, Dorchester, Dorset.

When I went to school (yonks ago) the monitors were usually senior students David Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:20 AM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation >A couple of questions on 1881 census occupations, if I may. > > 1. Apart from the obvious, Is there a difference between a shoemaker > and a bootmaker as listed in the census? > > 2. One of mine aged 16 is shown as "school monitor". A search of the > census reveals many teenage "monitors" and "school monitors" so I must > assume that this was an official position. Any information. > > Thank you > > David > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list > members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything > which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the > footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Like wise I was one. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Skeates" <benske01@primusonline.com.au> To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation When I went to school (yonks ago) the monitors were usually senior students David Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:20 AM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation >A couple of questions on 1881 census occupations, if I may. > > 1. Apart from the obvious, Is there a difference between a shoemaker > and a bootmaker as listed in the census? > > 2. One of mine aged 16 is shown as "school monitor". A search of the > census reveals many teenage "monitors" and "school monitors" so I must > assume that this was an official position. Any information. > > Thank you > > David > *************************************** > > When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list > members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything > which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the > footers which will be put back anyway!) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When a 'sprog' at our village school during WWII, I was the 'ink monitor', that meant mixing ink powder with water to make the ink we used. It had to be made just right or it would 'run' when applied to the very poor quality paper we had then or would clog and leave blobs everywhere. ... day's of innocence ... I wonder what would happen these days without their 'Bic' pens or calculators. Len On 28-Apr-07, at 5:02 AM, Colin Whitelock wrote: > Like wise I was one. > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Skeates" <benske01@primusonline.com.au> > To: <hampshire-life@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation > > > When I went to school (yonks ago) the monitors were usually senior > students > David > Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> > To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:20 AM > Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation > > >> A couple of questions on 1881 census occupations, if I may. >> >> 1. Apart from the obvious, Is there a difference between a >> shoemaker >> and a bootmaker as listed in the census? >> >> 2. One of mine aged 16 is shown as "school monitor". A search >> of the >> census reveals many teenage "monitors" and "school monitors" so I >> must >> assume that this was an official position. Any information. >> >> Thank you >> >> David

>in medieval times the shoe seller, shoe maker and the leather cutters would >be found on the same street either as individuals >or as a team. Sounds like a load of old cobblers to me....... Davy Cannon, Dorchester, Dorset.

Not sure but I remember this one from before David I think the shoe maker is exactly as is said is a maker of shoes only whereas a bootmaker makes a variety of styles of boots only. In my professions book it says that in medieval times the shoe seller, shoe maker and the leather cutters would be found on the same street either as individuals or as a team. Bootmaker for some reason is not shown but most of these people were known as Boot and Shoe maker, as later on they did both trades A School Monitor was like a prefect but he monitored the behaviour of the children under him or whatever he was in charge of, a lad who collected the milk each day in the school was known as a Milk Monitor! The title of Monitor was not exactly an official position but a rank that had been earned. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "HampshireLife List" <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: [HAMPSHIRE-LIFE] Victorian occupation A couple of questions on 1881 census occupations, if I may. 1. Apart from the obvious, Is there a difference between a shoemaker and a bootmaker as listed in the census? 2. One of mine aged 16 is shown as "school monitor". A search of the census reveals many teenage "monitors" and "school monitors" so I must assume that this was an official position. Any information. Thank you David *************************************** When replying to this message, please spare a thought for your fellow list members, and anyone searching the archives in the future. SNIP everything which is not essential for comprehension or continuity (including the footers which will be put back anyway!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000736-2, 04/26/2007 Tested on: 4/27/2007 9:53:16 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

You question on Shoe and Boot makers reminded me of this David as a Corwainer was a shoemaker [not bootmaker] who made shoes out of new Cordovan Spanish Leather while a cobbler cobbled shoes from USED leather! Chris "Joe he was a young cordwangler, Monging greebles did he go; And he loved a bogler's daughter By the name of Chiswick Flo. Vain she was and like a grusset, And her gander-parts were fine; But she sneered at Joe's cordwangle As it hung upon the line. So he stole a woggler's moolie For to make a wedding-ring, But the Bow Street Runners caught him And the judge said 'You will swing!' Oh, they hung him by the postern, Nailed his moolies to the fence - For to warn all young cordwanglers That it was a grave offence. There's a moral to this story, Though your gander-parts be poor - Keep your hands off others' moolies, For it is against the Law. __________________

A couple of questions on 1881 census occupations, if I may. 1. Apart from the obvious, Is there a difference between a shoemaker and a bootmaker as listed in the census? 2. One of mine aged 16 is shown as "school monitor". A search of the census reveals many teenage "monitors" and "school monitors" so I must assume that this was an official position. Any information. Thank you David