All the best to you and yours. Happy Australia Day! Edna n' Ken - Ottawa

Great new web site, it's run by those nice people at Friends United. www.genesconnected.co.uk Jackie

Hi Carol A good contribution to the accents thread. In general people from the UK who have settled in Australia usually are picked up very quickly when they return home as having an Aussie accent but in fact we in Australia find that you never completely lose your "Englishness" even though you may try very hard there is always something very different there to give you away. I have been mistaken for a Pom myself by many Australians and I was born and bred here, (our ancestors arrived here in 1788 with the first fleet). I consider my speech typically Australian so it must be my suntanned peaches and cream complexion that fools them, or maybe my good looks and handsome personality (ha ha). I think I would rather have Kent accent than an Australian one. My brother in-law came from Kent a sailor during WW2 on the "HMS Formidable" air craft carrier, he spoke very nicely, not posh, but sounded nice, maybe that's where my mistaken Pom identity came from I could have picked up on his accent a little bit, (us Hobbses are great mimics). When I hear Australian speech on the TV or Radio, Sit-Com's or Soapie's, I shudder, Not news commentary though that seems to be acceptable. (I think this is what we call the cultural cringe) The upward inflection you referred to, making every sentence sound like a question is a relatively recent innovation, I noticed it started firstly among the young particularly in NSW some years ago. My theory is that they the young people, may not have been as sure of themselves as say an older person who should be more experienced. This could have been the younger persons way of making a statement without sounding as if they are expert on the subject. When my three daughters were young each went through that same stage also, but now they are older they never seem to use it any more. (Hence my theory). . Cheers Maureen & Brian Hobbs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lawrence" <carol@twpo.com.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Accents > Hi All, > I was lucky enough to visit Hampshire for just two days on my visit in 2000. > I loved the accent and the people I met in Kingsclere, all so helpful and > kind. > When I first came to Australia I noticed an upward inflection at the end of > sentences, that was in N.S.W. > I thought the Queenslanders sounded like they came southern U.S.A. Now I > don't notice any difference except in pronunciation of different words. > I was quiet annoyed when in England that no one thought I came from Oz, I > had to go around saying G'Day :o). > Good health and Peace to all. > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Len Payne" <lenpayne@telus.net> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 3:28 AM > Subject: [HantsLife] Accents > > > > Well 'oil tel 'ee, I'm bloomin glaad, 'oin ain't gotten hacent, bein > > 'ampsher bred 'oim unnerstud whenevers 'oi go. Unfortunately, we in the > > Great Land of Canada, have a French Canadian Prime Minister who cannot be > > understood in either official language...Len, in a BRILLIANT SUNNY, > > Aldergrove, Saturday morning...Hello World and take care Seamus. > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk > To unsubscribe from the list: > Mail: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com > Digest: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com > In both cases put "unsubscribe" in the subject header and no text in the message box > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

-----Original Message----- From: David Parker [mailto:parker3250@rogers.com] How can I learn who was the publican of a particular pub in Hampshire at a particular time ? David Dear david, Try http://www.pubsindex.freeserve.co.uk/ Best wishes Paul

Hi Everyone, SKS just sent me this..... Sent for general info. SPECIAL EDITION - NEWS-FLASH!! 1906 Canadian Census Records Released On Friday 24 January 2003 the Honourable Allan Rock, Minister for Industry, and Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada made a much anticipated News Release. The heritage community's efforts to achieve release of historical census records is beginning to bear fruit :) Read all about it in The Global Gazette: http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce89.htm This email notification may be redistributed at will Edna - Ottawa

How can I learn who was the publican of a particular pub in Hampshire at a particular time ? David

More photographs of Totton and Eling have now been put up at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages/eling_images.htm These include some old photos and some modern ones of the Redbridge Causeway. Chris and Caroline See where you ancestors lived.....visit.... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) WEBSITE Featuring the history of the villages of: Hampshire, Berkshire, Surrey, Dorset, Isle of Wight, West Sussex & Wiltshire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003

As the bells of Bow are a bit hard to hear in Enfield (Middlesex) May, tell him he's a fraud!! Or as they would say up there Cockney my Arse!!!! Chris and Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "mayndave" <mayndave@bigpond.net.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [HantsLife] Accents David and I went to Hawaii 18 months ago and we had only to open our mouths and say 2 or 3 words and everyone was swanning at our feet saying "Oh wow, you're Australian?" Now that's really funny because David comes from Enfield, Middlesex and as far as I'm concerned sounds *totally* like a Pomme. He drops his t's and h's, sleeps on a 'pillar' at night and other such amazing inventions-of-speech. (He also excuses all of this by saying that he's a Cockney. I don't *think* so!!) He was 11 when he came to Oz and is 48 now. There's no hope is there? I'm an ex-Pom too, coming from Bucks at the age of 15, but few people pick up on it. All the best everyone, May LANCHBURY LANCHBURY WebSite... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lanchbury ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Visit Where your ancestors lived..... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages AND VI ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 11/01/2003

Hello everyone, Thanks for your overwhelming info on what I thought was a bit of a long shot question. I didn't know the marks inside the ring actually had a name, and I have found several interesting bits of info since doing a google search on 'hallmarks" I had previously just been searching on military rings but all those sites were very American and I don't think my gt-grandfather was actually in the Navy anyway. I now have several good leads to follow and am convinced that the ring was assayed in Birmingham in 1901, I just need a little more info. I think it would certainly be worth a trip to an antique specialist. Many thanks for all your wonderful help Jo

David and I went to Hawaii 18 months ago and we had only to open our mouths and say 2 or 3 words and everyone was swanning at our feet saying "Oh wow, you're Australian?" Now that's really funny because David comes from Enfield, Middlesex and as far as I'm concerned sounds *totally* like a Pomme. He drops his t's and h's, sleeps on a 'pillar' at night and other such amazing inventions-of-speech. (He also excuses all of this by saying that he's a Cockney. I don't *think* so!!) He was 11 when he came to Oz and is 48 now. There's no hope is there? I'm an ex-Pom too, coming from Bucks at the age of 15, but few people pick up on it. All the best everyone, May LANCHBURY LANCHBURY WebSite... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lanchbury

Hello, Take your ring to a reliable antiques dealer, auctioneer or goldsmith and ask him/her to read the Assay or hallmark. (They will make a charge) The Assay or hallmark is the series of lozenges and shields with letters etc. inside the ring. The anchor mark denotes that it was made in Birmingham, but there should also be a lion passant in front of it. If the letter "b" is lower case inside a squared off shield then it is possibly 1799-1800, if upper case inside a similar shield then 1774-5. Each year up to the present has a different letter and slightly different style of lettering font and shield, and this dates the ring exactly. For example, an uppercase italic A denotes year 1975. (20th century). The other letters denote the weight (carat) of the gold used, and also the maker of the peice. .375, I think, is 9carat, .916 being 22 carat. If I have got the years right from your description, then the maker could be someone like Matthew Boulton whose mark was MB (uppercase)inside an oblong lozenge. Without seeing the item it is difficult to be completely accurate, so get someone to look at it for you, if only for insurance purposes. Yours, Vicki Turner Hope this helps Vicki Turner

Perhaps in 10 days, or give it a few more days, we can start sending good wishes to our Seamus...welcome back ones...no questions asked about the nursing staff though!! Unless of course he wants to explain anything!! He is getting a lot of fan mail, good on him!! We may need reminding nearer the time....TAR VERY MUCHLY!!

Apparantly I sent this to the wrong list David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: [Ham] Hallmark Guide and Database - A free database of British silver marks from majo > Try this > > David > > http://www.collectiques.net/hallmarks/ > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! >

Can anybody help me with some advice or information on a ring that belonged to my father, Alan GOODYEAR? Last week my mother gave me my late father's ring which he has always worn and I believe it belonged to my grandfather before him. I have my suspicions that it may in fact have gone back one generation further to my gt-grandfather. There are no initials inside the ring however there are a series of small boxes/rectangles with letters etc in them which may help in the identification it reads as follows: NB .375 (then a small picture of an anchor) then either a letter B or the number 6. The front of the ring has an anchor on it with twists of rope, and it looks to be gold. I know my grandfather, Ron was in the RAF and wonder why he would have had an anchor on his ring, however his father Thomas GOODYEAR was at one point a Stoker and that makes more sense to me. Can anyone suggest where I could look, who I could ask or what I can do to find out more? Does anyone know what the numbers/letters mean? Are there any websites that would be of help? If it helps I can send a scan of the ring to anyone who may be able to tell me more. Many thanks Jo South Australia

Jo, Go to your local library and get a book of English Hallmarks - all silver and gold is hallmarked and each of those little boxes will identify the maker, where it was assayed and the date it was made/assayed. From you description it would be impossible to check as the shape of the boxes alter depending on the area and date so do the letters, they can be plain or gothic script etc. So get the book and a good magnifying glass!! Moya Page (nee Banting) researching BANTING and PERREN in Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Challis To: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:29 AM Subject: [HantsLife] Jewellery Help Needed Can anybody help me with some advice or information on a ring that belonged to my father, Alan GOODYEAR? Last week my mother gave me my late father's ring which he has always worn and I believe it belonged to my grandfather before him. I have my suspicions that it may in fact have gone back one generation further to my gt-grandfather. There are no initials inside the ring however there are a series of small boxes/rectangles with letters etc in them which may help in the identification it reads as follows: NB .375 (then a small picture of an anchor) then either a letter B or the number 6. The front of the ring has an anchor on it with twists of rope, and it looks to be gold. I know my grandfather, Ron was in the RAF and wonder why he would have had an anchor on his ring, however his father Thomas GOODYEAR was at one point a Stoker and that makes more sense to me. Can anyone suggest where I could look, who I could ask or what I can do to find out more? Does anyone know what the numbers/letters mean? Are there any websites that would be of help? If it helps I can send a scan of the ring to anyone who may be able to tell me more. Many thanks Jo South Australia ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Those who have some photos of their relatives in military uniforms and are not sure of what regiment etc they are then check out this website, (Currently containing images of 4,044 Unidentified military individuals) You can even submit your own photo to see if it can be identified. http://www.capefam.freeserve.co.uk/ Many thanks to Gordon Childs for this link. Chris and Caroline See where you ancestors lived.....visit.... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) WEBSITE Featuring the history of the villages of: Hampshire, Berkshire, Surrey, Dorset, Isle of Wight, West Sussex & Wiltshire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003

Well with those chicken legs what would you expect Edna!! Mind you the slim bruce is better for the heart than a buxom sheila!!! Chris and Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrits@sympatico.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: [HantsLife] Seamus Good News: " Seamus is awake and talking and should move from ICU to a normal ward tomorrow. Mrs Seamus says he looks better than she was expecting at this stage. He was hoping for a buxom sheila but has got a slim bruce as his nurse (Mrs Seamus used more descriptive language that only you ladies would have understood). He is likely to be in hospital for 10 days." Edna - Ottawa ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== This is YOUR list so please treat it the way you wish yourself treated. Remember: "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION" It comes bundled with the software! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 11/01/2003

We have added some past and present photo of Totton to our website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages/eling.htm And hopefully more will follow shortly. If anybody has any old photos that we could add, not just to Totton but other villages then we would greatly appreciate them We are specifically looking for a photo of the World Stores that was on the junction of Ringwood Rd and Salisbury Road, Totton and the Double 'U' Library in Testwood Lane. Chris and Caroline See where you ancestors lived.....visit.... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) WEBSITE Featuring the history of the villages of: Hampshire, Berkshire, Surrey, Dorset, Isle of Wight, West Sussex & Wiltshire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003

Gosh Margaret And we thought English was the international language, do you mean everyone doesn't speak English, (good grief Charlie Brown). (only joking) American English is acceptable over here we are saturated with it on the TV., Radio and cinema and by your servicemen during WW2. we don't mind at all, at least it is understandable. If you follow the Hants life threads on accents you will see that Australia in the main does not have that problem all speak Australian English (no dialects), except for some recent immigrants but then it only takes a generation or two before they are integrated into the good life. But then our population still relatively sparse and does not have the ethnic concentrations as in your country. We advise that if you want some of the good life come over now before we are swamped. Cheers Maureen & Brian Hobbs from Brisbane Aust.(ex Sydney Aust). If you face the sun your shadow will fall behind you. (old proverb) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Sessions" <margarets5@hotmail.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: [HantsLife] you think you got it bad > Here in Florida we have such a mix of people that it is hard to tell who is > who. We have spanish of different dialects, central American, Cuban, Puerto > Rican, Mexican, and then we have the Russians, and Germans and we are just a > mish mash of people and I wish everyone would just speak English so that we > all could be understood. > English should be the universal language. > > > > Margaret > > Never compromise what's right > and uphold your family name. > You've got to stand for something > or you'll fall for anything." > > Find your missing links at > > http://www.petuniapress.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Visit Where your ancestors lived..... > SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages > AND VI > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

You see I thought that a "slim Bruce" was a slender woman as opposed to a buxom one - Australian is indeed a foreign tongue to me. But now I understand. I did not previously appreciate that Australians obviously use Monty Python as a source of their language. Sorry about that.. Actually I understand that "Sheila" is no longer acceptable. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrits@sympatico.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: [HantsLife] " Seamus" > > Hi David, In Australia they usually calls the girls "sheilas" like some > English > fellows call them "birds". > Americans call them "babes" and "dolls". What do Canadians call them -- > "chicks"? > > "Slim Bruce" I would think is a male nurse, etc. > > LOL, > > Edna > - Ottawa where the sun always shines > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Parker" <parker3250@rogers.com> > > To: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrits@sympatico.ca>; <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Seamus > > > > > > > Good news indeed. > > > > > > But did not someone suggest that English is spoken in > Australia. > > > If so, what in Shakespeare's good name, are "a buxom Sheila" and "a > slim > > > Bruce" ??? Not even Pam Ayers would use the phrases, and they caused a > > lot > > > of grief to my Spell Check!! Incidentally what are the masculine > > > equivalents ? > > > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrits@sympatico.ca> > > > To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:52 AM > > > Subject: [HantsLife] Seamus > > > > > > > > > > Good News: > > > > > > > > " Seamus is awake and talking and should move from ICU to a normal > ward > > > > tomorrow. > > > > Mrs Seamus says he looks better than she was expecting at this stage. > > > > He was hoping for a buxom sheila but has got a slim bruce as his > nurse > > > (Mrs > > > > Seamus used more descriptive language that only you ladies would have > > > > understood). > > > > He is likely to be in hospital for 10 days." > > > > > > > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > > > This is YOUR list so please treat it the way you wish yourself > treated. > > > > Remember: "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION" It comes bundled with the > software! > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Chris and Caroline Hayles, Eastleigh, Hampshire > List Administrators: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > Home of SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages > EMAIL: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk > > FAMILY WEBSITE: http://www.chayles.freeserve.co.uk > Over 1,600 villages in HAMPSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, DORSET > ISLE OF WIGHT, SURREY, WEST SUSSEX,and WILTSHIRE village history,parish church history, village photographs, and other useful information for genealogy. Lots of links to other useful sites > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >