Hello all Does anyone have any HORE's in their tree in the mid 1700's + from Alverstoke? We are trying to locate possible children of Robert & Jane. Thanks Linda & Tony

Yes, we've heard "cut the mustard" in fact I used the term just the other day. Don't know where it came from at all. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: [HantsLife] Sayings > Do any of the members know where the saying:- ''Cut the mustard'' > originated?. I know the meaning, up to scratch, ha!, there's another one!, I > believe they are ''Americanisms''. > Chris and Caroline > > > > > > > > --- > All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > And attachments are also scanned before being added. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Visit Where your ancestors lived..... > SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages > AND VI > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Chris,Caroline & all found this.... at http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxcutthe.html "cut the mustard" by Mark Israel [This is a <A HREF="http://alt-usage-english.org/fast_faq.shtml#notes">fast-access FAQ</A> excerpt.]This expression meaning "to achieve the required standard" isfirst recorded in an O. Henry story of 1902: "So I looked aroundand found a proposition [a woman] that exactly cut the mustard."It may come from a cowboy expression, "the proper mustard",meaning "the genuine thing", and a resulting use of "mustard" todenote the best of anything. O. Henry in Cabbages and Kings(1894) called mustard "the main attraction": "I'm not headlinedin the bills, but I'm the mustard in the salad dressing, just thesame." Figurative use of "mustard" as a positive superlative datesfrom 1659 in the phrase "keen as mustard", and use of "cut" todenote rank (as in "a cut above") dates from the 18th century.Other theories are that it is a corruption of the military phrase"to pass muster" ("muster", from Latin monstrare="to show", means"to assemble (troops), as for inspection"); that it refers to thepractice of adding vinegar to ground-up mustard seed to "cut" thebitter taste; that it literally means "cut mustard" as an example ofa difficult task, mustard being a relatively tough crop that growsclose to the ground; and that it literally means "cut mustard" asan example of an easy task (via the negative expression "can'teven cut the mustard"), mustard being easier to cut at the tablethan butter.The more-or-less synonymous expression "cut it" (as in "'Sorry'doesn't cut it") seems to be more recent and may derive from"cut the mustard". Linda & Tony

hi all Here are my main hampshire interests Ball = Andover, Barton Stacey, Longparish Bennett = Cliddesden Bush = Rockbourne Newman = Barton Stacey, Sutton Scotney Parfitt = Andover area Percey, P*rc*y = Damerham, Rockbourne and surrounds Peters = Romany Family - North Hampshire Smith = Basingstoke, Winchester Staples = Godshill, Rockbourne Turton = Longparish Bob Percey

Can anyone help with this from a non subscriber please? If so please reply direct to us at chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk I have been trying, and so far without any luck to find out about EDWARD GREGORY who in 1820 approx. was transported for 7 years. He stole 4 flitches of bacon from MORANTS THE BUTCHER in Brockenhurst. There was an Edward in Australia but he was sentenced in London to Life. Our EDWARD GREGORY was sentenced in Brockenhurst. and may have spent his 7 years aboard a Prison Hulk. He had to have been around after the 7 years because my great great grandmother (Elizabeth) wouldn't have been born. Thanks. Many thanks Chris and Caroline See where your ancestors lived.....visit.... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) WEBSITE Featuring the history of the villages of: Hampshire, Berkshire, Surrey, Dorset, Isle of Wight, West Sussex & Wiltshire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003

Who knows the sneezing rhyme please, someone has requested it on Scotland site.. once a wish two a kiss three times a letter four times something better five times secret never to be told..etc....come on, who is offering to finish...hate to think how far it goes, how many times does a human normally sneeze!! ugh!! and use a hankie..thanks.

Does any one have a copy of the CD Crew Lists and Agreements 1863-1913? I wish to trace a distant relative but it isn't;t worth my while buying the disc just for one distant relative so I am hoping some kind person can do it for me? Name: WILLIAM WILLIAMS - not the easiest of names to positively track down. He was born South Wales, probably Cardiff, 1847 died Bath 11 May 1929, married Alice Mary Garrett 12 Jun 1913 Cardiff, both living > in the same street (but not at the same house!) Beresford Road, Cardiff. >From a photo of him in uniform he appears to have been a first officer (three rings on his sleeve). Guess he would be at sea from about 1870 to 1910 ish, perhaps he retired before he was married. The marriage certificate just says "mariner". I have searched the welsh mariner's web site but without successes. Robert

For some lovely photos of Hampshire visit HAMPSHIRE CAM and make sure you click on the Hampshire Cam Archives for more places. Some really great photos of Lepe and other places. http://www.hampshirecam.co.uk/main.html Chris and Caroline --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/2003

Hello all ABRAM/ABRAHAM South Stoneham,Bishops Waltham, Durley,Gosport ATKINS Portsea , Portsmouth & Southsea, Dorset, & Scotland BOXALL Bramshott & Wymering BOYES Bishops Waltham CANAWAY Gosport & Portsea/Portsmouth CLARK Gosport,Boldre,Southampton/Portsea DAVIE Gosport,Hampshire & Dorset EXTON Gosport & Bishops Waltham GAZEY Hampshire,Sussex & Birmingham GOODMAN Gosport & London HABENS Alverstoke/Gosport, Portsea & Wymering HAWKINS Hampshire & Sussex HUBSDALL/HUBSDELL/HUBSDILL/UBSDELL/UBSDILL/UBSEDEALE & VARIANTS JENKINSON Hampshire, Sussex ,Flintshire & Lancashire JURD Gosport & Portsmouth LEGG/E Gosport,Portsea & Isle of Wight OLIVER Portsea ROBEY Alverstoke,Gosport, Portsmouth & Bournemouth SMITH Hampshire,Dorset & Isle of Wight TAYLOR/TAYLER Alverstoke,Andover, Portsmouth,Isle of Wight, & Yorkshire We would loove to hear from anyone who maybe connected . Take care,Linda & Tony

Hello all some useful snippets. Jan 3 1764 The water was a foot deep in the vault of the Parsonage House owing to constant rain for two hundred days. Jan 7 1809 The water just appear'd at the top of the drain in the new cellar. The --- were very high & a stream of water which rose in the fieldsabove the road from Quarley to Kimpton ran thru' Peppermint Dell in the bottom of the Glebe. 1814 BANTING Charles son of Thos & Sophia aged 2 1/4 died suddenly as is supposed in a convulsion fit, from pain in his bowels, no way connected with his smallpox vaccination Thruxton Population Retuen June 20 1831 Inhabitants Houses 51 Families 57 Houses now buildings 1 Houses Uninhabited 1 Family employed 32 Trade 10 Others 15 males 113 females 156 increase since 1821 29 Linda & Tony

This may prove useful, addresses and phone numbers of Hampshire Pubs!! May help to contact them to find out about past landlords etc!! Have one on us while you are there!!! http://www.pub-uk.co.uk/hampshire.htm Chris and Caroline --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 22/01/2003

In a recent message, to which I have had no response so far, I said that the Madame Baker was a Brit. Obviously she was a French woman who married a Brit. Now I expect I will get some replies. David

Does anyone have any informatiopon on a small private school at the junction of Bridge Rd and Station Rd., in Park Gate during the 1930/40's that was run by a Madame Baker, a French woman who married a Brit. Hopefully as ever David

>From the Bath Herald North Wilts and Somerset Guardian Published Daily. Monday to Friday, Halfpenny; Saturday, One Penny Saturday July 19, 1884 At Portsmouth Wednesday, Capt. J. Fitzthomas SHADWELL, formerly of the 23rd Regiment and now on half pay, was charged with indecent conduct. the prisoner who was stated to have served with distinction in the Indian Mutiny, was convicted and sentenced to two terms of two months' imprisonment with hard labour and one term of a fortnight. Notice of appeal was given. Joy Researching DOGGRELL & GATCUM + all variants, anytime, anywhere.

Frederick Sambrook NEWLYN birth c 1876, Bournmouth or Christchurch. His parents Sambrook NEWLYN Hotel manager from Holdenhurst, son of Nicholas Newlyn, married 5 October 1874, in Hampstead parish, Middlesex, to Emma MOORCOCK, of Hampstead, daughter of George Moorcock & Mary Ann Field. Emma was 17 yrs when she married, & she died in 1878, in Christchurch. Frederick shows in the 1881 census, age 4 yrs., with his Father, & Stepmother. Frederick does not show anywhere, in the 1901 census. I do not have access to the 1891 index, I am hoping that someone can do a " look up" , for Frederick please. I have looked in the U.K. Marriage & Death Indexes for him with no sign. It could be him in the 1914 war casualties, can someone tell me, how to check if it is the correct Fred ? However, I need to know if he was still around in 1891, before I pay for research. I have looked in the lists of Barnadoes children who went to Canada, he does not show there. I did look in the Canadian WW1, men, where a Fred showed, asked for a search giving all details of his parents, however, as this was almost a year ago, & I have not heard I assume, that it was not the correct Fred. There is a Frederick Charles in England, 1901, but this is not " my " Frederick. Frederick is, other than my Gt Grandfather, ( John Moorcock,) the only known descendant of George & Mary Ann, who lived Chertsey Surrey, and I really would love to find any possible descendants of Frederick NEWLYN. He does not appear to have come to New Zealand, where his maternal Uncle emmigrated, followed by his maternal Aunt in the later 1800's.. Mary Legarth

Hi Listers Back home from my stay in the US the proud grandmother of a darling baby girl called Emily Anne. She was born on the 22 December weighing in at 6lbs 15ozs. A brand new twiglet for the tree! Just wish they weren't so far away, however a digi camera is helping to fill the gap, web-cams and not Easter eggs for us lot this year!! Time again to crack on with looking for the rellies. I've tracked down three marriages and 5 deaths on FreeBMD which I need to investigate a bit more fully before I can claim them as 'mine' or at least eliminate them from my list of possibilities. FreeBMD gives the district as DROXFORD. Tony and Linda kindly looked up the marraiges for me in their Droxford records, but they are not there. How big an area outside Droxford should I be looking if the marriages were registered there? Thanks Bev

Grand mother was born in Burton,Christchurch.abt 1884.her family were wheelwrights and shoemakers.the ship in distress and the salisbury arms.were the pubs they lived or did business at.for three generations. She met My grand father George tame Blatchford,born at #3 queens rd,shirley,southampton.1881..His father James Blatchford was an engine fitter at Woolston ship yards. GTB worked or the Federal Steam Navigation co,that started in the shipping business in Christchurch.in 1873,He is listed as onbaord the Shrophshire in 1918 as a crew menber at ellis island with military troops,coming home after wwl. the next event is the arrival of my mom in Uitenhage,south africa.in 1923. the shropshire traveled to south africa.and was commandered by the australian government to transport troops.during wwll. My grand mother died in 1951,her ashes were spread at the garden of rest in south stoneham, she lived at #40 brassey rd winchester,but A.H.W.Broomfield was the informant on her death certificate,he lived at Ann's Villa/Stoney lane,Winchester. ALL OF THIS IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITITY OF EACH OTHER.. can anybody link to this. I was there in 1962 to visit relatives but remember little.it was only an overnight stay. the master of the house was employed as a postal inspector.they had no vechicle,so he must have worked close by.there was a bus system and the younger than me male and my brother went to the pilgrim monument.about an hour away.i cannot remember there last names,but ken or kent and karen they would be 50's now.gtb had siblings as did lily may head. I'M VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN CONTACTING THIS FAMILY

Hello Bev and all here are the parishes that fall within the Droxford Registration District (from Genuki) Droxford Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Bishops Waltham; Hambledon; West Meon GRO volumes : VII (1837-51); 2c (1852-1930). > Bishops Waltham, Corhampton, Curdridge, Droxford, Durley, Exton, Hambledon, > Meonstoke, Shedfield, Soberton, Swanmore, Upham, Warnford, West Meon. Hope this helps,Linda & Tony

Hi Louise, Have you tried looking for Thomas and Hannah's marriage *after* your father was born? In my own family history, and my one name study, I have found it to be fairly common-place for a couple to marry about 2 years after their first child was born. Just don't ask me *why* ;-)) Do you happen to live near a Mormon Family History Centre? After doing genealogy for 2 1/2 years I finally made it to one while on leave from work last month. It was really great, and the one I went to had the entire UK 1891 Census on hand. The staff were helpful and friendly, and the equipment plentiful and in good repair. So if no-one replies with access, and you are close to a FHS, it is free to look at one there. I hope this is of some help to you, and all the best with your research, May LANCHBURY LA(I)NCHBURY WebSite... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lanchbury Surname List... LANCHBURY-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: L Baker [mailto:melmerby33@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2003 4:46 AM To: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HantsLife] Help needed finding my grandmother WINTER-BAKER Hello: After researching my father's family for a couple of years now, I've been very fortunate to find many family members (back to the late 1700's in some cases). The most frustrating part is that I can't find out much at all about my paternal grandmother, Hannah Maria Winter (b. 1873 in Vernham's Dean HAM to George and Elizabeth Winter). She is listed as Ann* with her family in the 1881 census and then she disappears! 1881 census for Tidcombe Fosbury, Wiltshire: George Winter, head, M, male, age 35, born Tangley, ag lab Elizabeth, wife, M, female, age 33, born Shalbourne, Berkshire William, son, U, male, age 12, born Hungerford, Berkshire, scholar Ann*, dau, female, age 8, born Vernham, Hampshire, scholar George, son, male, age 6, born Hatherton, Hamphsire, scholar Mary, dau, female, age 3, born Fosbury, Wiltshire Emily, dau, female, age 7 months, born Fosbury, Wiltshire Her parents were in Faccombe by 1901... George Winter, head, age 50, born Tangley HANTS, cattleman on farm Elizabeth, wife, age 53, born Shalbourne WIL Emily, dau, age 20, born Newbury BERKS, housemaid domestic Does anyone have access to the 1891 census for Faccombe. I wonder if Hannah (Ann) might still be with her parents then? Hannah married my grandfather, Thomas Baker, sometime prior to 1910 (when my father was born), but I haven't been able to find their marriage either. I suspected her marriage to Thomas may have been a second marriage, but I can't find a Hannah (or Ann) in the 1901 census with the right age and birthplace. Hannah died when my father was very young (certainly pre-1925 when he came to Canada) and we know almost nothing about her... and I'd love to learn more about her. Any suggestions of what to do next would be most appreciated. Louise (in Canada) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== To contact the List Administrator: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk To unsubscribe from the list: Mail: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com Digest: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com In both cases put "unsubscribe" in the subject header and no text in the message box ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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