Message From: "Chris & Caroline" Subject: [HantsLife] The Census -slightly off topic!! Had this sent in by Vicki and thought it might amuse some of you It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready, a black book in hand............... ~~~~~~~~~~ Fantastic! Thankyou, Vicki & Chris Pity it's anonymous, though. Regards, M, NZ

Chris, Stay away from the greasy stuff. It's not good for the ticker. Susan in Guelph ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris & Caroline To: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: [HantsLife] British food and eating - website Thanks to Tony and Linda An interesting site for those who love their food and drink!! Fish and Chips, and the good old English Cuppa and Breakfast are all featured. You can learn a lot from this site!! Chris and Caroline http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/eating_history/history_intro.htm --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003 ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== This is YOUR list so please treat it the way you wish yourself treated. Remember: "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION" It comes bundled with the software! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I assume that any 18C and 19C village/small town clergyman knew his congregation, and knew if parents at the time of a baptism were in fact married. Nevertheless I have noticed that parish records sometimes list the surname of a child as that of the father even though the parents were not married. This has raised in my mind a number of question directly and indirectly associated with that. Was this because he, the clergyman, knew of their plans to get married? Did he do it out of kindness ? Did he have authority to refuse to give the child the father's surname as the child's surname ? Did he have any authority to prevent an single mother naming the father by using his name as a middle name? Is the entry of "bb" an arbitrary one? Was its use determined by the class of the mother? Was it ever officially stopped? Any information would be appreciated I have heard that a genealogist has related the birth dates of the first child to the marriage dates and has calculated the percentage of brides who were at the time of their marriage apparently pregnant - i.e. the birth took place within 6months of the marriage - or were already mothers - i.e. the birth took place before the marriage date. Does anyone have those numbers? In case you are wondering I am aware of the human gestation period is 275 day or roughly nine months. Thanking you David. Toronto. where the temperature should reach 6c this week end and should start to melt the accumulation of 10 weeks of snow. We are getting quite excited.

John Blatchford,born abt 1702/went to New Foundland,Canada at the age of 14. moved south to Salem,Massachusetts,was a Coachman,Met one Rachel Clark[e] married and settled at Cape Ann,Massachusetts.Cape Ann is sometimes called Rockport,It is now Gloucester, Essex co,Massachusetts. This family is a very old Fishing Family in America.. The clark[e] family is also very old.I have not traced there lineage. Essex co,Massachusetts,was formed by many people from.Southampton.I was raised in this part of America. keep on-keeping on-never quit.

Last year/I paid for this information. I got a Death Certificate A.H.W.Broomfield a nephew was the informant. Is this Alfred,as initials are confusing.?? Does that mean that he was the only one with information regarding her.?? or was he just a neightbor,at # 38 Brassey rd,??A customer or renter of his pub.?? I recent message it appears that the Broomfields operated more than one pub.?? She died of Toxianemia.a Widow of a man who operated a pub.[Blatchford family operated more than one pub] Was the NEPHEW actually connected to the Blatchford family. Her family or shall i say all her uncles [Head family] listed pub/Salisbury Inn/Ship in Distress/ as there residence. While Lily May [Head] Blatchford,was from Christchurch [burton] area George Tame Blatchford deceased husband] was from,Southampton.#25 queens rd.born there in 1884. Was one of the Broomfields a Postal Inspector. who had two childred abt 50 years old today. his wife was referred to as "phil" he was the relative of my mom.he died in the early 80's. There was shortly after his death a Female relative who returned fron South Africa a wealthy widow.she soon died also.This was my mothers Aunt. This may sound silly to you but. I was born in Weymouth and have lived most of my 57 years in America. I really do think that this is the path to finding what is left of my English Relatives,that are still alive. I will add more of what I have found,hoping to mak a connection.feels like a jig-saw puzzle to me.but more and more pieces ae coming together. keep on-keeping on-never quit.

Had this sent in by Vicki and thought it might amuse some of you Chris and Caroline The Census It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready, a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water, as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions -- the best she was able. He asked of her children. Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age. The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Ashford? or Lewisham? or Rochester -- or not? They came from England, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some, and write some, though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp -- its' now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. -- Anonymous --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 26/02/2003

Hello Roger, I think that this might, just might, be your Maria BROOMFIELD living with her daughter in 1881 and both widowed. Even though both of their names have been given as Mary Ann and Mary respectively, both said that they were born in Lyndhurst, a couple of miles up the road from Minstead. Mary Ann's birthdate is right, but her daughter's seems to be a bit out. The transcriber could have mistaken a 2 for a 3?? The only Maria BROOMFIELDs in the census are much too young and none that I could find born in Minstead. Dwelling: London Road North Hill House Census Place: Windlesham, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341181 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0770 Folio 64 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary H. LILLYCRAPP W 34 F Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Head William G. LILLYCRAPP 9 M Windlesham, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Richard H. LILLYCRAPP 7 M Windlesham, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary Ann BROMFIELD W 68 F Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Mother There are 879 BROOMFIELDs on Disc 3 of the Greater London (West Counties ) and 2901 in the whole census but a great many of them are in or from Hampshire. For example, the below. If you want me to do a search for a specific person, please ask- I have tried your Henry, Frederick and Alfred with the dates and birthplaces you give and can find nothing conclusive. Dwelling: Census Place: Minstead, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341294 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1202 Folio 53 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Henry BROOMFIELD M 42 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Labourer Mary BROOMFIELD M 42 F Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Wife Fred BROOMFIELD 14 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Carter Charlotte BROOMFIELD 12 F Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Ben BROOMFIELD 10 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Rose BROOMFIELD 9 F Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur Hewet BROOMFIELD 8 M Rel: Son Daniel BROOMFIELD U 6 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Walter BROOMFIELD U 4 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Litiney BROOMFIELD U 3 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Son ----------------------------- Dwelling: Census Place: Minstead, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341294 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1202 Folio 53 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Harry BROOMFIELD M 31 M Minstead, Hampshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 16 Acres One Man & Boy Frances BROOMFIELD M 28 F Staverton, Devon, England Rel: Wife I can find no inn called the Trustee (or Trusty) Servant in Lyndhurst in 1881 although there a couple of unnamed pubs in High Street, and there are innkeepers BROOMFIELDs here at Bank. Dwelling: Bank Royal Oak Inn Census Place: Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341294 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1202 Folio 7 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles BROOMFIELD M 41 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Publian Lucy BROOMFIELD M 31 F Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Wife Harry BROOMFIELD U 17 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Occ: (Dom) Servant Annie BROOMFIELD U 15 F Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur Occ: (Dom) Servant Emily BROOMFIELD U 13 F Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Albert BROOMFIELD U 12 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Fred BROOMFIELD U 10 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William BROOMFIELD U 7 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George BROOMFIELD U 1 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Henry STOTE W 54 M Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Blacksmith I hope some of this has been of help and let me know if you want me to look or send some more. Yours Vicki Turner

These spam mailings are part of life I am afraid, we get an average of around 30 a day now and a lot of them are from Nigeria, and other African places. They are all fraudulent and the best place for them is in the bin! There are some agencies that take this seriously especially the Nigerian ones and these should be saved to your hard drive then included as an attachment and sent on to fraud.alert@met.police.uk NOTE This is for UK subscribers only Each country has its own authorities. PLEASE do not reply to this on list and do not send them to the list either. Chris and Caroline List Administrators ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Anchors" <sharon.anchors@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: [HantsLife] junk mail Hi List, I've just recieved one of those emails saying i can win $36.00000,i remember it being discussed on the list that we have to forward it on to someone inorder to report it,has anyone any clue's on this one,please?The email came from Africa. Thankyou,Sharon.U.K. ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Visit Where your ancestors lived..... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages AND VI ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003

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Thanks Eve,i did realise that it was a scam,apparently there's a web site who deals with these scams,but i'll just leave it now.Sorry to the list for being off topic. Sharon.Oxon. -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: 12 March 2003 18:48 To: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HantsLife] junk mail >I've just recieved one of those emails saying i can win $36.00000,i remember >it being discussed on the list that we have to forward it on to someone >inorder to report it,has anyone any clue's on this one,please? Just ignore it -it's a scam; they want to part you from your hard- earned, and there is no money in it for you. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Chris and Caroline Hayles, Eastleigh, Hampshire List Administrators: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Home of SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages EMAIL: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk FAMILY WEBSITE: http://www.chayles.freeserve.co.uk Over 1,600 villages in HAMPSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, DORSET ISLE OF WIGHT, SURREY, WEST SUSSEX,and WILTSHIRE village history,parish church history, village photographs, and other useful information for genealogy. Lots of links to other useful sites ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

>I've just recieved one of those emails saying i can win $36.00000,i remember >it being discussed on the list that we have to forward it on to someone >inorder to report it,has anyone any clue's on this one,please? Just ignore it -it's a scam; they want to part you from your hard- earned, and there is no money in it for you. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Everyone Does anyone on the list have any connection to William Henry MILLS who lived at 4 East Cliffe, Winchester in 1911? A relative Ethel Mary GIBSON also lived there at that time and I would appreciate any information about the residents. Thank you Magdalen in South Africa

Hi List, I've just recieved one of those emails saying i can win $36.00000,i remember it being discussed on the list that we have to forward it on to someone inorder to report it,has anyone any clue's on this one,please?The email came from Africa. Thankyou,Sharon.U.K.

Lily May [Head] Blatchford, died at # 40 Brassey rd ,Winchester.in 1952.one A.H.W.Broomfield a nephew of Lily's was the informant. Lily May [Head] Blatchford,left Weymouth soon after 1942.When her Husband died.from 1935-1942,they were publicans of the "Duke of Edinburg"in Weymouth.It is still there today. One Henry Broomfield age 59,b-abt 1812,was the Publican of the "Trustee Servant Inn" in Lyndhurst,Hants according to the 1871 census. wife Maria,age 56,b-abt 1815 sons Frederick,age 18,b-abt 1853 Alfred,age 16,b-abt 1855 dau Maria,age 15,b-abt 1856 ALL BORN IN MINSTEAD,HANTS any additional infirmation appreciated. keep on-keeping on-never quit.

First to see the latest news. get into Hampshire Life, found out about Adam Faith now its Barry Sheen, thank you Hampshire Life! adele in lovely NZ - welcome to the rains in Clareville!

Those who enjoyed the book, film or TV series on Watership Down may like to have a look at this website. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~talami/watershp/ It contains maps and photos of the area where the book and film were set. Thanks to John Lewis for this link. Chris and Caroline --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 26/02/2003

Definitely in Hampshire Vicki!! Chris and Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <historyresearch@supanet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Colin Whitlock Hi Bazzer, I don't know if he is buried there but there is a memorial plaque to Charles Valentine Clark, Second class passenger aged 29 at the church of St Peter and St Paul, Wymering. My book says Wymering is in Sussex, but I know that it is in Hants. My other book says that he came from Grange Lane, Netley and boarded the Titanic at Southampton. Obviously, he may have been one of those whose bodies were never found. Yours Vicki Turner ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003

Barry Sheen who was twice British World Motorcycle champion died today of cancer aged 52. For the past few years he lived in Australia. Motorcycle sport will miss him Chris and Caroline --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/2003

Hi all - Just reposting my interests. Would love to hear from you if you've seen these names anywhere recently. Kind regards, Maureen, NZ HAMMETT - Southampton, Dorset, Wiltshire GRIST - Southampton, Sparsholt (Winchester) WEEKS - Michelmersh (Romsey), Southampton BEARE - Shirley (Southampton), Hyde (Winchester) PITT - Millbrook (Southampton) BANNISTER - Michelmersh (Romsey), possibly Cadnam (New Forest) VANSANTEN - Romsey, Southampton, possibly Eling MUNDY - Eling, possibly Fawley GOLDEN - Romsey, possibly Cadnam

just posting my interests... if you have a connection with This lady please let me know. Do you have an Elizabeth BANKS in your line?? This one was married to my Francis EADES (bn 1715) on 04 OCT 1738 at Bentley......I have all of their decendants..do you have her family - brothers and sisters tucked away somewhere??? cheers.......Cher in Wiltshire researching EADES POULTER PULLEN JACKMAN and all var of spellings.. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03