Hello all just to let you know that if you go to www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy then click on odds and ends we have added a new section on Watermen. You may well find one of your rellies there known or unknown. Take care,Linda & Tony

Hi there, I have just learned something from your posting. Nothing to do with wills. I had not realised that there was another Mapledurham. In Hampshire rather than on the border of Oxfordshire and Berkshire, just across the river from Caversham where some of my ancestors lived. In fact, my sister was born there, and I lived there for a while. I knew about Mapledurwell but not Mapledurham. Thanks for that. It might help me in the future from making a mistake. Yours Vicki Turner

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I am seeking information on the following: CHESTER Ann a widow, found in 1861 & 1881 census at Norfolk Crescent South Hayling, a boarding-house keeper. In 1861 there was a 10 year old boarder, Charlotte WHITE living there.. I am interested especially in Miss WHITE as she was illegitimate, and after her birth had nothing to do with her birth mother or any of the family as far as is known. She was born in Essex on March 19th 1851, and baptised on 30th November 1852 at St. Lawrence Winchester.The film extract of her baptism from the register ( No. 311 ) gives her name, mother's name, "reputed" father's name, place of birth & "occupations" of parents. Is there any other record that might give the names of those present at the baptism ? And does anybody have any info re Mrs. CHESTER and/or her boarding house. TIA Joy. New Zealand.

Hello all, With thanks largely to the generosity of listers, my BRIDGER database now exceeds 2,800 entries. But I'm always looking to add to it:-) Please drop me a line if you have any BRIDGER births, deaths and/or marriages you would like to share (Hampshire and Surrey only please) and I will add them to the database. If you have a missing BRIDGER, let me know and I'll see if he/she is amongst the current entries. I would particularly like to hear from anyone who has information on the 18th century Greatham BRIDGERs. In 1751, Thomas and William BRIDGER of Greatham were involved in a rather 'colourful' courtcase -- found at the Old Bailey site : <A HREF="http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search/">http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/search/</A> Interestingly, witnesses at the trial included FIGGE and KEMP, two other names which appear in my family tree. Kind regards Joy researching DOGGRELL, GATCUM and all variants, anytime anywhere

Hello Listers: I have recently been successful three times over in finding ancestral connections through wills and this has proven to be a good way of searching as these documents give information about family ties etc. that one would not ordinarily know about in the 1700 time frame. In searching for a Judith BILSON the mystery lady in the Ginn family tree who had a son James, I had hoped she might have been mentioned in a will from Hampshire, but the BILSON will for Susannah BILSON widow of Buriton Hamps that I took a chance on downloading does not mention a Judith BILSON or her son James. I am wondering if the information in this document might be of help to someone who is searching a Susannah BILSON of Mapledurham Parish, Buriton. The document states that she wants to be buried in the vault in the parish church of Buriton privately. Names mentioned in the will - the Earl of Dartmouth, Elizabeth Legg, Leonard Bilson, Susanna Brown, Rev. William Brown and his daughter Ann Brown. The will was proved 1739 in London. If any of the names mentioned are in your family tree and you don't already have this information please contact ginn@ebtech.net It appears as though the Judith BILSON I am looking for, who married a William GINN, had signed her name in 1804 on her marriage licence so she knew how to write. Any suggestions as to where there may have been BILSONs living in the Christchurch area of Hampshire in 1800 would be welcome. It appears as though this was a marriage of a widower and possibly a widow, but nothing on the marriage licence other than both were from the parish of Christchurch. Kind regards, Helen Ginn Ontario - Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 03/10/2003

Hello Everyone, I would like to thank everyone who has helped me about info for help.I will be visiting the Rocks Centre whilst my husband climbs the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Thank you once again.Valerie

This is off topic but we thought that we would share it with you all. After a bit of umming and aahing we decided to install Mail Washer as we are now receiving an average of around 20-30 spam mailings a day now. The programme is free and it seems to be working, takes a bit of getting used to though as you open it instead of Outlook or Outlook Express then delete all the spam which is bounced back to the senders and blacklisted and the friends ones are put on a special list. We will see how it goes and give a report a bit later. For those who wish to try it the URL is http://www.mailwasher.net/ We have no connections with MailWasher or its subsidiaries Chris and Caroline List Administrators --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003

Somebody on the London List wanted clarification for : RG9/380, f38, p15 Jane LIVING, Mother Ino?, widow, 60, Nurse, Hampshire Tixley? Can anyone help with "Tixley, Hampshire"? What should it be? If anyone knows, I'll send the answer to the London List. Thanks. Best Wishes from Susan Moziar

Hello Roger, I am sorry to take so long to get back to you about your BROOMFIELD relatives; but tracking them down has been proving a bit more difficult than I though. I now know that Ron BROOMFIELD, one of the older sons who lived with his parents in Brassey Road died about 5 years ago, also his son Terry (born in the early 1950's sadly died a couple of years ago) but Annie BROOMFIELD - Ron's wife and their daughter Nicky ( probably born 1947-9) are still around and may be able to fill you in on the family history. If you send me your email address I will send you Annie's snail mail address. I am sorry that I have not been of more help but nobody I know can remember Nicky's married surname or knows where any of the other family members now live. Annie, now in her 80's lives opposite my brother I discover!! Small world or what? Moya Page (nee Banting) researching BANTING and PERREN in Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Larose" <zgordo@webtv.net> To: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: Re: BLATCHFORD James Grand-mother Lily Head,she helped her husband manage a hotel in Uitenhage South Africa,also a Pub,the Duke of Edinburg now the Duke of Edinburg House of Sounds.Still owned by Eldridge Pope ltd.GTB died in 1942,she moved into what I'm told was a boarding house or vicherage for injured soldiers.down the street from the pub.till at least 1944 when my Mom got married.I was born in Weymouth in Sept 1945,at what she called a converted hotel. I was registered as an American citizen in the USA Consulate in Southampton,in 1946 and came here in Diapers,onboard a ship.soon after. If this Broomfield family,is still there,he the master of the house was a postal inspector,who retired and passed on about 1985. --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/2003

Hello Roger, I am sorry to take so long to get back to you about your BROOMFIELD relatives; but tracking them down has been proving a bit more difficult than I though. I now know that Ron BROOMFIELD, one of the older sons who lived with his parents in Brassey Road died about 5 years ago, also his son Terry (born in the early 1950's sadly died a couple of years ago) but Annie BROOMFIELD - Ron's wife and their daughter Nicky ( probably born 1947-9) are still around and may be able to fill you in on the family history. If you send me your email address I will send you Annie's snail mail address. I am sorry that I have not been of more help but nobody I know can remember Nicky's married surname or knows where any of the other family members now live. Annie, now in her 80's lives opposite my brother I discover!! Small world or what? Moya Page (nee Banting) researching BANTING and PERREN in Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Larose" <zgordo@webtv.net> To: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: Re: BLATCHFORD James Grand-mother Lily Head,she helped her husband manage a hotel in Uitenhage South Africa,also a Pub,the Duke of Edinburg now the Duke of Edinburg House of Sounds.Still owned by Eldridge Pope ltd.GTB died in 1942,she moved into what I'm told was a boarding house or vicherage for injured soldiers.down the street from the pub.till at least 1944 when my Mom got married.I was born in Weymouth in Sept 1945,at what she called a converted hotel. I was registered as an American citizen in the USA Consulate in Southampton,in 1946 and came here in Diapers,onboard a ship.soon after. If this Broomfield family,is still there,he the master of the house was a postal inspector,who retired and passed on about 1985. --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/2003

In message <000001c2e9d4$ab767180$f4313041@mtki.phub.net.cable.rogers.co m>, David Parker <parker3250@rogers.com> writes > I assume that any 18C and 19C village/small town clergyman knew >his congregation, and knew if parents at the time of a baptism were in fact >married. There is no guarantee that a couple remained in the parish in which they were born. If they arrived 'looking married' then no quaestions were asked unless a. someone spiteful blew the whistle or b. the family needed financial support from the parish overseers. The clergyman could stick to the letter of the law and call the child by the mother's surname, if he knew the couple were not married, It was standard practice to add the father's name, as a middle name, if there was a probability of later marriage, or if both parents lived in the parish (to prevent later incest) > ? Did he have authority to refuse >to give the child the father's surname as the child's surname ? Only if it was the Squire's and the Squire was a. his brother b. threatened him. Nevertheless, most gentlemen did acknowledge their bastards - Lord Dundonald went round checking that his name (Cochrane) was added in every case. > Did he have any >authority to prevent an single mother naming the father b The mother was obliged to name the father (if she could) as a civil martter, since he was liable for maintenance. >y using his name as a >middle name? Is the entry of "bb" an arbitrary one? no - if the fact was known, most clergy added it. > Was its use determined by >the class of the mother? an upper class mother would go away abroad and have an illness lasting nine months, dumping the child overseas or at the other end of the country. (Unless she was really brazen.like the D, who lived in a menage a trois with her husband and Lady Elizabeth Foster, punctuated by children of either pairing.) > Was it ever officially stopped? The mid to late Victorians became mealy mouthed about using bastard or base, and substituted 'natural' sometimes. > Any information would >be appreciated > I have heard that a genealogist has related the birth dates of the >first child to the marriage dates and has calculated the percentage of brides >who were at the time of their marriage apparently pregnant - i.e. the birth took >place within 6months of the marriage - or were already mothers - i.e. the birth >took place before the marriage date. Does anyone have those numbers? In case >you are wondering I am aware of the human gestation period is 275 day or roughly >nine months. >Thanking you > >David. >Toronto. >where the temperature should reach 6c this week end and should start to melt the >accumulation of 10 weeks of snow. We are getting quite excited. > > >==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== >This is YOUR list so please treat it the way you wish yourself treated. >Remember: "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION" It comes bundled with the software! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

I thought it was a fascinating programme, and very moving to see families reunited with the bone(s) of their tiny long lost relative. Can you imagine the horror of dealing with so many bodies, and finding that of a one year old child. It is no wonder the kind fishermen were determined to provide a decent burial. Sally-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bazzer" <baz@baz2000.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Colin Whitlock Hi Vicky, You have given me this info some time ago.("His body if recovered was never identified"). I have just finished watching "Secrets of the dead" which is about a DNA project to identify the unknown baby child that was recovered from the Titanic sinking.This went some way to explaining why so many bodies were not identified or claimed by relatives Regards Bazzer Portchester Fareham Hampshire http://www.clarkeology.com----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <historyresearch@supanet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Colin Whitlock Hi Bazzer, I don't know if he is buried there but there is a memorial plaque to Charles Valentine Clark, Second class passenger aged 29 at the church of St Peter and St Paul, Wymering. My book says Wymering is in Sussex, but I know that it is in Hants. My other book says that he came from Grange Lane, Netley and boarded the Titanic at Southampton. Obviously, he may have been one of those whose bodies were never found. Yours Vicki Turner ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13-11-02 ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Chris and Caroline Hayles, Eastleigh, Hampshire List Administrators: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Home of SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages EMAIL: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk FAMILY WEBSITE: http://www.chayles.freeserve.co.uk Over 1,600 villages in HAMPSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, DORSET ISLE OF WIGHT, SURREY, WEST SUSSEX,and WILTSHIRE village history,parish church history, village photographs, and other useful information for genealogy. Lots of links to other useful sites ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello all Just to let you know that soon - not long now.....some of the following will be avaialable for look ups. Further details of what we have will follow when we have them. Corhampton Meonstoke Rowner South Stoneham Swanmore Titchfield Upham Take care,Linda & Tony

Hi I sent a copy of your email to my cousin who lives in South Australia and I was sent the reply below. Stephen Hillarys Western Australia ........Snip...... I read through it though, and came up to the 1881 census bit for Henry Broomfield, aged 42, who is Dennis' great-grandfather. Of the children quoted, two are wrong. Obviously I cannot change the census, but is there some way of putting it on a site so that as many people as possible will know that: Daniel should be David, and Liteney should be Sydney. .........snip.......... historyresearch wrote: .........snip...... Dwelling: > Census Place: Minstead, Hampshire, England > > Source: FHL Film 1341294 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1202 Folio 53 Page > 15 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Henry BROOMFIELD M 42 M Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Labourer > Mary BROOMFIELD M 42 F Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Wife > Fred BROOMFIELD 14 M Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Carter > Charlotte BROOMFIELD 12 F Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Ben BROOMFIELD 10 M Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Son > Rose BROOMFIELD 9 F Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Daur > Hewet BROOMFIELD 8 M > Rel: Son > Daniel BROOMFIELD U 6 M Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Son > Walter BROOMFIELD U 4 M Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Son > Litiney BROOMFIELD U 3 M Minstead, Hampshire, England > Rel: Son > ----------------------------- .............snip........... > > >

Roger asked, " Does that mean that he was the only one with information regarding her.?" The 'informant' on a death certificate is the person who actually reported the death to the Registrar. He need have been nowhere near the deceased when he died, and need not be the *only person to have sufficient knowledge to report the death. His name is included because he reported it. On the other hand if a person is actually present when the person dies, and reports the death, the certificate actually says "present at death". HTH Brian

Thanks to Tony and Linda An interesting site for those who love their food and drink!! Fish and Chips, and the good old English Cuppa and Breakfast are all featured. You can learn a lot from this site!! Chris and Caroline http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/eating_history/history_intro.htm --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003

Web trail of local history A website has been set up for historians to find out about the people, places and events that have made their community what it is today. The government-funded National Grid for Learning website is running online local history trails to encourage people of all ages to discover the wealth of information the internet offers. The trail, at www.ngfl.gov.uk/localhistory, shows how to get started in exploring local history the secrets of their area. Everyone who sends in a contribution will be entered in a prize draw for a year's family membership of English Heritage. Our website SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) is also featured!! Chris and Caroline --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003

We had this discussion last time round what short memories ;-) Bazzer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Colin Whitlock Definitely in Hampshire Vicki!! Chris and Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <historyresearch@supanet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Colin Whitlock Hi Bazzer, I don't know if he is buried there but there is a memorial plaque to Charles Valentine Clark, Second class passenger aged 29 at the church of St Peter and St Paul, Wymering. My book says Wymering is in Sussex, but I know that it is in Hants. My other book says that he came from Grange Lane, Netley and boarded the Titanic at Southampton. Obviously, he may have been one of those whose bodies were never found. Yours Vicki Turner ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== "GENEALOGISTS DO IT IN TREES!" ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13-11-02

Hi Vicky, You have given me this info some time ago.("His body if recovered was never identified"). I have just finished watching "Secrets of the dead" which is about a DNA project to identify the unknown baby child that was recovered from the Titanic sinking.This went some way to explaining why so many bodies were not identified or claimed by relatives Regards Bazzer Portchester Fareham Hampshire http://www.clarkeology.com----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <historyresearch@supanet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Colin Whitlock Hi Bazzer, I don't know if he is buried there but there is a memorial plaque to Charles Valentine Clark, Second class passenger aged 29 at the church of St Peter and St Paul, Wymering. My book says Wymering is in Sussex, but I know that it is in Hants. My other book says that he came from Grange Lane, Netley and boarded the Titanic at Southampton. Obviously, he may have been one of those whose bodies were never found. Yours Vicki Turner ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13-11-02