The Family History Experience of the Year! BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY'S F A M I L Y H I S T O R Y F E A S T Saturday April 12 2003 A thousand books, plus microfiches and CDs, reference material for all over the British Isles, the Bucks Archives, local history displays, well equipped bookstalls, computer software. postcards, microfiches, stationery, printing expertise, all available. A friendly, informative and warm hearted exprience/ Talks by Eve McLaughlin, Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake, Julian Hunt am and pm. Expert advice on family history and computer problems on tap. At the Hartwell Day Centre. Thame Rd South - on the western edge of Aylesbury, a cul de sac off the main A418 Oxford Rd at the first major roundabout, where the main road goes off into the countryside. Open to the public from 10am to 4.30pm (non members £1, members free) There is something for everyone, wherever your ancestors came from - and an unrivalled knowledge of Bucks ancestors, of course. On site and adjacent free parking, light refreshments all day. More information, details, maps for SAE (though it will be well signposted) from Eve McLaughlin, *(01844 291631) or Varneys, Rudds Lane, Haddenham, Bucks HP17 8JP NB -yes, Family Tree Magazine got the date wrong! -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

is his address correct... as my message to him bounced! Colin Whitleock? Adele in lovely NZ

I've been told that my transmission about the 1881 census was wrong because it contained information about dorset,surrey,devon. it was a transcript of rather well known facts families have members born in other counties etctera. I did not think this was wrong. please advise me. keep on-keeping on-never quit.

Don't forget if anyone needs look ups from the fiche we have only - please e-mail with as much info as possible ie IGI FULL date,etc. Also, don't forget firstly to check www.familysearch.org for your name/s and/or date/s, also the 1881 also at the above site.If later the 1901 census. Remember http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for districts.Go to this site click on UK & Ireland, then click on England (by the map), this will give you a County to click on.Click on Hampshire .Clcik on Civil Registration, then Registration Districts in Hampshire pheeeeew & finally your appropriate District which will then give the rundown on the various sub Districts. The fiche we have can be found on www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy Dare we say this come on as we are free to start when you are ready! Hope this helps all, Linda & Tony

Off for a week in the sun Bazzer Portchester Fareham Hampshire England http://www.clarkeology.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13-11-02

Colin your email address is bouncing again!! Can you contact Adele at pentony@infogen.net.nz as she is having problems contacting you, we just tried and ours also bounced. Chris and Caroline List Administrators --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003

CHU27/D/2 Page 145 entry 1153 Louisa Young COLE Porchester (sic) buried 24 Nov 1879 aged 42 years Linda & Tony

Hello Colin Here are some baptisms for you: CHU27/1B/3 Portchester Page 169/1348 May 17 1865 Albert son of George & Louisa COLE, New Hornet (or Hurmitt??), Portchester, Labourer 176/1466 Nov 3 1867 -------a? Louisa dau George & Louisa Young COLE, Portchester, Hornet or Harrott, Shepherd 183/1460 June 5 1870 William son of George and Louisa COLE, Portchester, Shepherd 183/1461 June 5 1870 Flora of George and Louisa COLE, Portchester, Shepherd 189/1506 Aug 18 1872 Cecil Robert of George and Louisa Young COLE, Portchester,Shepherd CHU27/1B/4 4/28 Oct 18 1874 Edwin son of George & Louisa Young COLE, Portchester, Shepherd 4/78 March 18 1877 Harriett dau George & Louisa COLE, Portchester, Shepherd 15/116 Aug 17 1879 (born June 28 1879) Ethel May dau George & Louisa Young COLE, Portchester, Shepherd Hope they help Linda & Tony

Hello all we have just acquired some new fiche for 6 additional parishes. We have updated our website with the details if you to <A HREF="http://www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy"> www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy</A> and click on the resources link on left. These updates enable us to do look ups from any of these items. Please feel free to e-mail us with your look ups but please remember however that a registration district (as per the GRO or free BMD) may consist of several parishes - details of Hampshire Registration Districts can be found on the Hampshire GENUKI site. Also a birth quarter off the GRO or FreeBMD may have no bearing at all on baptism date. If we can help, we will Take care Linda & Tony

In message <29990-3E77B642-219@storefull-2295.public.lawson.webtv.net>, Roger-Blatchford Larose <zgordo@webtv.net> writes >dwelling #30 Chapel Road >Place;Southampton,Shirley,St Mary's,Hampshire England >souece,fhl film 13412296/pro ref rg11/piece 1208/folio 131 > >George Tame b-abt 1853,Aylesbury,Buckingham,,Eng/occ grocer Thanks for the stray >} >Buckinghamshire is abt 75 miles north East of Hampshire co. >They had no Children{?} >There are a few Tame,Thames,De Thames listed in Bucks back to 1340.they >were Norman Gentry. Not really Norman or gentry - there were a number of monks etc (originating in Thame, Oxon, operating in Bucks). Monks should not have married. So how come? -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Roger Chapel Street is NOT in Shirley but in the St Mary's area of Southampton and is immediately opposite St Mary's Church off of St Mary's Street. Chris and Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger-Blatchford Larose" <zgordo@webtv.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: [HantsLife] Census 1881 dwelling #30 Chapel Road Place;Southampton,Shirley,St Mary's,Hampshire England souece,fhl film 13412296/pro ref rg11/piece 1208/folio 131 George Tame b-abt 1853,Aylesbury,Buckingham,,Eng/occ grocer Mary Tame,wife,b-abt 1855,Flushing,Cornwall,Eng. James Warren,b-abt 1861,Flushing,Cornwall.Eng/occ Joiner [woodworking] brother of Mary {?} Edith Blatchford,b-abt 1878,Southampton,Hampshire,Eng.Niece [Dau.of James Blatchford] Notes; I'm told that Chapel st is in Shirley{?} Buckinghamshire is abt 75 miles north East of Hampshire co. They had no Children{?} There are a few Tame,Thames,De Thames listed in Bucks back to 1340.they were Norman Gentry. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Dwelling #25 Grove st place;Southampton,Shirley,St Mary's,Hampshire.Eng source fhl film 1341296/pro ref rg11/piece 1209/folio 35/pg6 James Blatchford,b-abt 1845,St Helier,Jersey,Channel Islands/occ Steam Engine Fitter.. Lucy [Warren.nee] Blatchford,b-abt 1855,Flushing,Cornwall,Eng/wife Ida M Blatchford.b-abt 1876,Southton,Devon,Eng James O Blatchford,b-abt 1880,Southton,Devov,Eng Notes; Did James do his apprentiship in Southton,Devon{?}First child at age 31 wife was 20 years old at time of first child. Most Blatchford family origionate from Devon. I have not found the Warren family in Cornwall at all.{?} I have found James Blatchford Father on a onboard ship census for Alderney,Channel Islands 1881.His name was Oliver as what the James O son of James might mean. ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE HELPFULL> Roger keep on-keeping on-never quit. ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/2003

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dwelling #30 Chapel Road Place;Southampton,Shirley,St Mary's,Hampshire England souece,fhl film 13412296/pro ref rg11/piece 1208/folio 131 George Tame b-abt 1853,Aylesbury,Buckingham,,Eng/occ grocer Mary Tame,wife,b-abt 1855,Flushing,Cornwall,Eng. James Warren,b-abt 1861,Flushing,Cornwall.Eng/occ Joiner [woodworking] brother of Mary {?} Edith Blatchford,b-abt 1878,Southampton,Hampshire,Eng.Niece [Dau.of James Blatchford] Notes; I'm told that Chapel st is in Shirley{?} Buckinghamshire is abt 75 miles north East of Hampshire co. They had no Children{?} There are a few Tame,Thames,De Thames listed in Bucks back to 1340.they were Norman Gentry. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Dwelling #25 Grove st place;Southampton,Shirley,St Mary's,Hampshire.Eng source fhl film 1341296/pro ref rg11/piece 1209/folio 35/pg6 James Blatchford,b-abt 1845,St Helier,Jersey,Channel Islands/occ Steam Engine Fitter.. Lucy [Warren.nee] Blatchford,b-abt 1855,Flushing,Cornwall,Eng/wife Ida M Blatchford.b-abt 1876,Southton,Devon,Eng James O Blatchford,b-abt 1880,Southton,Devov,Eng Notes; Did James do his apprentiship in Southton,Devon{?}First child at age 31 wife was 20 years old at time of first child. Most Blatchford family origionate from Devon. I have not found the Warren family in Cornwall at all.{?} I have found James Blatchford Father on a onboard ship census for Alderney,Channel Islands 1881.His name was Oliver as what the James O son of James might mean. ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE HELPFULL> Roger keep on-keeping on-never quit.

Reposting Interests JOHN ATKINS possibly Hayling Island late 1800 Married ALICE AMELIA COLE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RUBINA AVERY 5 Aug 1910 - 13 Nov 1999 looking for mother and father -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSAN BAZELY Date of birth Married PAUL CARDEN between Jan-Mar 1976 East Hants -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any information On BEATRICE ? MARRIED LOUIS ARTHUR WHITELOCK in Portsmouth late 30s early 40s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARCHIE BRADLEY born 1895 probably Croydon Father WILLIAM BRADLEY Mother ALICE BRADLEY (nee OVERINGTON) Also in info other children they may have had possibly (Possibly Croydon Area) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEORGE KIMBER 1894-1976 married about 1920 to ALICE CAROLINE OVERINGTON (Possibly Croydon Area -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARY ANN BRAMELY 1782-1858 exact dates and mother and father Married JOHN WINTER (possibly Bebtworth area) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALICE BROAHEAD father and mother Alice was born 1869 possibly Winchester Mother name was ELIZABETH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SARAH A BROWN born 1843 Pretbury Glouscestshire Married GEORGE COLE 13 November 1865 BENTWORTH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAROLINE ? born abt 1824 Capel Surrey Married JAMES OVERINGTON in the 1860s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAHTERINE ? born Witley Surrey Married THOMAS OVERINGTON 29 May 1737 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARY CLERK Born Abinger Surrey Married OBEDIAH OVERINGTON -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ANN COLE born 1821 Father JAMES COLE Mother JANE ? Hampshire Area probably Bentworth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTHUR H. COLE born Portchester 1889 Father GEORGE COLE Mother SARAH J? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDWIN COLE born 1875 Portchester Father GEORGE COLE Mother LOUSA YOUNG COOPER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ETHEL MAY COLE Born Portchester July 1879 died Portsmouth 24 November 1979 Did she marry and were there children. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLORA COLE born Portchester 1870 Date of birth death did she marry and have children. Father GEORGE COLE Mother LOUISA Young COOPER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FREDERICK COLE born Portchester 1864 date birth and death did he marry and have children Father GEORGE COLE Mother LOUISA YOUNG COOPER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Whitelock Milford Station Nova Scotia Canada

Hello Colin we have the following fiche for Portchester so if you need some checking done will do if you like? PORTCHESTER (C 1813-1922; M 1813-1935; B 1804-1911) Also a possible connection with your John ATKINS?? What do you have so far as our John was Portsea born....?? Look forward to hearing from you. Take care,Linda & Tony

Hi all, Is anyone researching the NEW or LEWCOCK families from Heckfield? My interest is in Emma NEW in particular. She married William SELLWOOD in Mapledurham (Oxon) as per the below parish register entry; Oct 8 1887 Mapledurham Sellwood William Thomas 26 bachelor otp labourer son of John Sellwood Labourer New Emma 30 otp daughter of Thomas New Labourer Witnesses Fanny May and George Rush Susan NEW, who I think is her sister, married Chas LEWCOCK as per the 1881 census Dwelling: Odiham Road Census Place: Heckfield, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341306 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1253 Folio 88 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Fanny NEW W 56 F Heckfield, Hampshire, England Rel: Head Susan LEWCOCK M 26 F Heckfield, Hampshire, England Rel: Daur Chas. LEWCOCK M 28 M Heckfield, Hampshire, England Rel: Son In Law Occ: Ag Lab Annie LEWCOCK 4 F Heckfield, Hampshire, England Rel: Grand Daur Mary LEWCOCK 2 F Heckfield, Hampshire, England Rel: Grand Daur Chas. LEWCOCK 7 m M Heckfield, Hampshire, England Rel: Grand Son What I am really trying to do is tie in Thomas NEW from Emma's marriage with Fanny NEW from the 1881, and find any other siblings that Emma may have had. Any lookup or information would be gratefully received. Thanks. Vicki Turner

In message <001d01c2ecbf$2aebcb80$26eb0450@jread>, Jill Read <jill.eread@ntlworld.com> writes >I am trying to find out if there was any way that my mother's >great uncle could have any link with Edward VII. I know that he was a coachman >and seemed to have lived in Winchester all of his life according to the census >but I believe that Edward VII came to the races at Worthy Down and Stockbridge. >I wondered whether anyone would know how I can find out who a coachman would >have worked for If you can locate him in a census, then he will be living handy to the 'Big house' usually in a loft over the horses or adjacent to the stable yard, in case he was needed. Then again, you can check the local papers, because it will carry reports of the impending visit of Edward, and name his host. It sounds quite reasonable that the coachman of the great house involved would drive the party to the races in a barouche or some similar opne vehicle, so the king could wave his hand to the passers by. It would be much less likely that the King would travel in a public vehicle, except possible abroad. Edward was generous with his favours, in both senses, so this as a tip for services (plus money as well, I hope) would be logical -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

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Hi there, A coachman (the forerunner of chauffeur) would usually have worked for a landowner or member of the gentry or classes above. Also usually he would have lived in premises owned by his employer (ie a tied house or rooms with another employer, or in over- the - stable accommodation) so that he was always available when needed. Some coachmen, however, were employed by the better hotels for fetching and carrying guests to and fro from the station, for example, and again often "lived in." At the turn of the century there were also entrenpeneurs who were employing and hiring out coaches and coachmen- the forerunners of the hire car firms and taxis. None of this directly helps your query but it might give you some ideas of places to look. If your ancestor or his father was employed in the 1901 census as a coachman, stable boy, or other occupation with horses, that might give you a starting point. If you know the address where he lived that might also give you a clue as to who he worked for, and Kelly's or other Trade Directories for the period will list hotels and coach hire firms in Winchester. Yours Vicki Turner

I am trying to find out if there was any way that my mother's great uncle could have any link with Edward VII. I know that he was a coachman and seemed to have lived in Winchester all of his life according to the census but I believe that Edward VII came to the races at Worthy Down and Stockbridge. I wondered whether anyone would know how I can find out who a coachman would have worked for as I don't think he could have had his own buisness. The reason I am trying to find out is that mum has a stick pin that is decorated with the Prince of Wales plumes, we have been told that it was from the Victorian times and apparently Edward VII was known to give these pins to people who worked or did things for him, so we are trying to find a link. As long as it wasn't stolen property !!!