Thanks Chris, Every week my Mother sent me to the St. Augustines church hall, on Holly Road, at Aldershot, to pay the Rechabite lady. Didn't know what it was, thought it was some kind of Insurance. My parents were definitely teetollers, in fact we were not allowed to have playing cards, and my Mother always said to stay away from women who smoked or wore red dresses as they were prostitutes. Isn't that funny, but just to be on the safe side I have never learned to play cards, smoke or wear red dresses. As they say, you can't be too careful, LOL !!! Cheers, Pam, an Aldershot, Hants gal in Arizona. always looking for - ROGERS - REEVES - MALT - CROOK - Hampshire. RENNEY - County Durham or ???

It was formed in Salford for men in 1835, and one year later, women were admitted. It is now known as the Rechabite Friendly Society, and is based again in Manchester. It now has a membership of 20,000, down from 180,000 during WW1, but membership is slowly increasing. I believe that some 18% of the adult population of Britain is teetotal, so it has room for growth. There are branches in the States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, and no doubt elsewhere in the world, particularly wherever the Brits saw the sun go down with a G & T. David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <jon@vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Rechabites or Reckabites --- Insurance ??? > Pam > The Independent Order of Rechabites was a friendly and temperance society > formed by a group of Manchester Methodists in the 1830s. It was much like > other friendly societies except that they did not meet in public houses. > Before one could benefit from the Friendly Society you had to sign a > declaration of temperance. > > The Order went into rapid decline after WW1 and again after WW2, but was > certainly still in existence in the late 1960s. I was a member (it was easy > to be a member of a temperance society when you were only 12 or 13 - I've > made amends since!!!) but I took part in athletics championships in the > south of England and still have medals from these (I probably still hold the > 60 yards dash record!!). > > The link below is one of many to provide a brief history. > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls4.html#Rechabites > > Its very difficult to determine if the Order still exists, I suspect it may > have disappeared finally in the last 10 years or so with some of the > financial institution changes that have also resulted in many building > societies becoming banks. There is certainly evident that the Rechabites > were still going in 1984. > > > Jon Baker > Calne, Wiltshire, UK > > Family History: www.vectis10w.freeserve.co.uk > Calne & District Skittles League: www.calneskittles.org.uk > > Researching: RYALL (Isle of Wight/South Africa), DOWNTON (Dorset/IOW/NZ), > KEEN > (Gloucs/IOW), WALKER (Oxford/Nova Scotia), JOHNSON (Gloucs), BAKER > (London/Hampshire), HAYTER (Hampshire), HUGHES (Co Armagh), STEWART (Co > Down) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pmc248@cs.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 10 June 2003 08:41 > Subject: [HantsLife] Rechabites or Reckabites --- Insurance ??? > > > > When I was a small child at Aldershot, Hants. in the 1930s and 1940s, my > > Mother would send me weekly ? to pay the Rechabites, have no idea what > that was. > > That could be an incorrect spelling, was it some type of insurance, if > not > > does anyone know what it was ? > > It seems to me that about the mid- 1940s I didn't have to go pay it > > anymore. > > > > Regards, Pam [ RENNEY ] McKinley, now in > Arizona. > > My names :- ROGERS - REEVES - MALT - CROOK - Hampshire. > > RENNEY - County Durham and anywhere. > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Chris and Caroline Hayles, Eastleigh, Hampshire > List Administrators: HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > Home of SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages > EMAIL: chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk > > FAMILY WEBSITE: http://www.chayles.freeserve.co.uk > Over 1,600 villages in HAMPSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, DORSET > ISLE OF WIGHT, SURREY, WEST SUSSEX,and WILTSHIRE village history,parish church history, village photographs, and other useful information for genealogy. Lots of links to other useful sites > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This was one of the many so-called friendly societies which in the era before state insurance & social welfare paid comforts, principally on death, to members & their families, who themselves made a modest weekly contribution. Peter Gawn (Canada). ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pmc248@cs.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: [HantsLife] Rechabites or Reckabites --- Insurance ??? > When I was a small child at Aldershot, Hants. in the 1930s and 1940s, my > Mother would send me weekly ? to pay the Rechabites, have no idea what that was. > That could be an incorrect spelling, was it some type of insurance, if not > does anyone know what it was ? > It seems to me that about the mid- 1940s I didn't have to go pay it > anymore. > > Regards, Pam [ RENNEY ] McKinley, now in Arizona. > My names :- ROGERS - REEVES - MALT - CROOK - Hampshire. > RENNEY - County Durham and anywhere. > > > ______________________________

Hi, dear listers all Does anyone know enough about Rownhams, Southampton these days to be able to tell me if Greenhill Cottage stll exists, please? If not, can anyone tell me where it was in the early 1930s? I'm assuming it would have been in or very close to Rownhams Lane, but not really sure. I've just found out that one of my mum's cousins was born there. Would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this. Thankyou Maureen, 'Hampshire Hog in Kiwiland', NZ

The Order of Rechabites was formed in the 1830's, as a Friendly Society which offered a temperance alternative. From Jeremiah 35;6 "But they said we will drink no wine, for Jonadab, the son of RECHAB, our father, commanded us saying "You shall drink no wine, neither you nor your sons for ever" Most Friendly Societies, at that time, met in Pubs, with the encouragement of the publican, often to the disadvantage of the membership, so the temperence of the Order of Recabites was a real alternative. Prior to the Welfare State, Friendly Societies were the only way through which the working class would receive help in time of sickness or old age, so with the introduction of Unemployment Insurance, Old Age pensions and the National Health, their demise began David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seamus" <webfootraf@iinet.net.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Rechabites or Reckabites --- Insurance ??? > G'day Pam. > > I believe The Rechebites were a temperance society. I'm sure my father > was a member. They seem to have faded out after the 2nd world war. > I recall there was a meeting place in London Road, Portsmouth. > Just past North End junction. > > There were a lot of these type of societies that started in the early 19th > century. Oddfellows was another > > BTW. I didn't understand why my father was a member. As I had seen > him sink 8 or 9 pints of beer on a Saturday night. > Perhaps the membership funds were used to help the wives & children > of the men who were alcoholic. > > Seamus. (Tout á fait Chevalier ) > > All e-mail checked by Symantec Professional 2003. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pmc248@cs.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:41 PM > Subject: [HantsLife] Rechabites or Reckabites --- Insurance ??? > > > > > > When I was a small child at Aldershot, Hants. in the 1930s and 1940s, my > > Mother would send me weekly ? to pay the Rechabites, have no idea what > that was. > > That could be an incorrect spelling, was it some type of insurance, if > not > > does anyone know what it was ? > > It seems to me that about the mid- 1940s I didn't have to go pay it > > anymore. > > > > Regards, Pam [ RENNEY ] McKinley, now in > Arizona. > > My names :- ROGERS - REEVES - MALT - CROOK - Hampshire. > > RENNEY - County Durham and anywhere. > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > > Visit Where your ancestors lived..... > > SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages > > AND VI > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. Please do not send virus warnings, or other matetial not relevant to Hampshire and its history. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

When I was a small child at Aldershot, Hants. in the 1930s and 1940s, my Mother would send me weekly ? to pay the Rechabites, have no idea what that was. That could be an incorrect spelling, was it some type of insurance, if not does anyone know what it was ? It seems to me that about the mid- 1940s I didn't have to go pay it anymore. Regards, Pam [ RENNEY ] McKinley, now in Arizona. My names :- ROGERS - REEVES - MALT - CROOK - Hampshire. RENNEY - County Durham and anywhere.

Just found out my 3XGrandmother was an Adey CROOK who married William ROGERS at Broughton in 1784. Now I'll have to tell my family that Grandma was a CROOK, LOL !!!! Regards, Pam in Arizona. Bumper sticker seen on a Phoenix, Arizona car :- " Genealogists dig dead people"

The URL on the message below will not work. it should read http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsurry Just in case anyone is having difficulties. When sending a URL it is best to put it as above and then the HREF address on a separate line, as there are a few people who do not understand HTML or are learning computer skills. This is no reflection on Joy who kindly sent this in, still cannot find if anyone has left us anything!!! Chris and Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Joy2811@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [HantsLife] New website - Will Transcriptions Dear List A great new website containing transcripts of Wills in Hampshire, Surrey and other counties: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsurry/">http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsurry/ </A> Lots of Wills already online but new transcriptions are always welcome. Regards Joy ==== HAMPSHIRE-LIFE Mailing List ==== Visit Where your ancestors lived..... SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages AND VI ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/2003

Come out, Come out wherever you is... If you are on this list Keith, can you contact me please. Tank yuh kindly Leo Researching these families: (Isle of Wight) CHARLO(W) / KNAPP / HUMBER / CHESSELL / LIST / MEW SMALL / MATTHEWS / WHITE / WILLSHER / (Hampshire) WATERS / KNAPP / EAST / FRANCIS / LOVE / (Dorset) WARREN / DAVIS / HURT / KNOTLEY / CRUMPLER / (Yorkshire) CHARLO(W) / (Scotland) MACNAUGHTAN / BRODIE / McARTHUR / McCALLUM / McKAY --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

Dear List A great new website containing transcripts of Wills in Hampshire, Surrey and other counties: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsurry/">http://www.rootsweb.com/~engsurry/</A> Lots of Wills already online but new transcriptions are always welcome. Regards Joy

Hi Just thought I'd jog a few memories :>) Good Huntin' Trevor Tomasin Visit http://www.family.tomasin.org.uk to see if we could be 'Cousins'! I maintain a 'near miss' database of all enquiries and can provide a .pdf copy. Researching - BANTON - BULL - COLLIS - LEAVERS - HOPKINS - KNIGHT - MARTIN - MOODY - PERKIS - PUNCH - PURCHES - STRETTEN - TAYLOR - TOMASIN - VINCENT - WILLIAMS & Derivatives. To join the relevant Mailing List send the word subscribe in a message to that list, ie TOMASIN-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hello , These are the extra names from the Parish Church Records of Broughton, Hampshire and Bullington, Hampshire, from the years 1790 to about 1820. Have a total of 13 filmed pages of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials. Will just put the Surnames, but do have first names, plus dates etc. if you see your names of interest, listed. Broughton Parish Church Jan 1792 to Jan 1795. Page 1. Baptisms :- ROGERS - OCCAMON - HACK - STEELE - GALE - BEAL - COOPER - SUTTON - FUTCHER or BUTCHER - HURST - Burials :- WOODFORD - HAYTER - JEROME - HAWKINS - REEVES - STEELE - HAYDEN - BEAN - GALE - Marriages:- HALL & STONEMAN BALDWIN & ETHEREDGE MORGAN & STORY Page 2.Broughton Parish Church from Jan 1794 to Jan 1795. Baptisms :-HATTAF or HATTAR - JUDD - JOSWELE - ROGERS - MORGAN - JOBIAN - HURST - CARTER - MC MASTER or MC MARTEN - POPE - HACK - GALE - BURT - FUTCHER or BUTCHER - BEAL - MARSH - BROWER - Page 3. Marriage at the Parish of Broughton in the County of Southampton in the year of 1815. [ only marriage of the year] William ROGERS & Mary REEVES [ this one is mine] witnesses were Charlotte MORGAN and Thomas WOODFORD. Page 4. The Parish Church of Broughton, Hampshire for 1815. Baptisms :- BOWER - MARSH - ROGERS - GALES - MASON - DOBSON- BEALS - Page 5. The Parish Church of Broughton, Hampshire for 1817. Baptisms :- TRAYLE - ROGERS - WATTS - WOODS - MORGAN - WATERS - Page 6. The Parish of Broughton, Hampshire for 1821. Baptisms :- TUBB - GALE - ROGERS - RAIN or PAIN - HUNTLEY - RAY - HAMMOND - BURDET - WOODFORD - MC MASTER or MC MARTEN MORGAN - GAIGER - STIRKLER - Will take a break now, I still have 7 more pages to go, 4 pages are Broughton and 3 are Bullington. Too bad the Minister didn't print, his handwriting is full of curls and flourishes, it makes some names difficult to read. Some of these next pages are written in a tiny handwriting and faded also, so I will dig out my magnifying glass. My People are ROGERS - MALT - REEVES - from Broughton and Bullington, Hampshire. Cheers, Pam, an Aldershot, Hants. gal in Arizona.

Hello Listers, Had a researcher in London do some work for me. In Searching for my Information he filmed 13 pages of Church Records from Broughton and Bullington, Hampshire fom the late 1700s to about 1820. There are mainly Baptisms, Marriages and also a few Death records in a variety of names from those two areas. So I have info. on many people I have never heard of. Some are kind of difficult to read, but if you had people in either of those areas in that time I will be glad to have a look-see for you. My names of interest are :- ROGERS - MALT - REEVES. Some of the other names I see are :- OCCAMON - HACK - STEELE - GALE - BEAL - COOPER - SUTTON FUTCHER or BUTCHER - HURST - WORFORD - HAYTOR - HAWKINS HAYDEN - BEAN - HALL - STORY - MORGAN - BALDWIN - STONEMAN The above are all Baptisms, Burials and Marriages from Broughton, Hants. from Jan. 1792 to 1795. [ Just from one page, I have 12 more pages of names.] Regards, Pam [ RENNEY] McKinley, an Aldershot, Hants gal, now in Arizona.

Hello- I have searched the sites for church photos with no luck. Is there a photograph available of St. Thomas Church in Bedhampton - my ancestor's marriage and childrens' baptisms took place there. Ruth in California

>> From: "Mike & Sheila" <micshe@iprimus.com.au> >> Could someone please explain what details may be found on a Marriage Certificate. Would a copy of the Marriage certificate list where they were actually born, or would it just refer to them being of that parish at the time of their marriage. It isn't actually a marriage certificate. It is a marriage entry in a parish register. In 1802 it will give the names, parishes, witnesses, and whether by Banns or Licence. It may give marital status (bachelor, widower, etc). A few entries give occupation. You will find examples of parish register entries (baptisms, marriages, burials) at http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/indexf.htm >> William Poore was of St Mary Bourne, and his wife Willoughby Butterfield was of Up Hurstbourne, is this Hurstbourne Tarrant, Hurstbourne Priors, or is there another Hurstbourne that I have missed. Up Hurstbourne (or Up Husband) is Hurstbourne Tarrant. Down Hurstbourne (or Down Husband) is Hurstbourne Priors. >> I have searched both these parishes, but cannot find an entry of birth for either of them. I assume you mean baptism rather than birth, and that you have searched microfilm copies of the parish registers. ****** The HGS 1851 Census Index shows the following at Hurstbourne Tarrant: HO 107/1683/611 POORE Willoughby S - 70 - b Hampshire Not Known HO 107/1683/633 POORE Eli - 37 - b St Mary Bourne Sophia - 34 - b Andover Mary Jane - 8 - b Upton Eli - 4 - b Upton Earle - 3- b Upton HO 107/1683/634 POORE Elizabeth - 28 - b Upton Upton is partly in Hurstbourne Tarrant and partly in Vernham Dean. There was a POOR family at Vernham Dean in 1851. Alan McGowan Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory

On 4 Jun 2003, at 12:39, Mike & Sheila wrote: > Could someone please explain what details may be found on a Marriage > Certificate. I have found the marriage entry listed in the parish > records dated 3.6.1802, and according to that ref William Poore was of > St Mary Bourne, and his wife Willoughby Butterfield was of Up > Hurstbourne, is this Hurstbourne Tarrant, Hurstbourne Priors, or is > there another Hurstbourne that I have missed. Hurstbourne Tarrant is Up Hurstbourne, just as Hurstbourne Priors is Down Hurstbourne. Ian James, Torquay, UK THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SWEPT FOR VIRUSES BY NORTON AV 2002

Hello list, Does anybody know if any Chelsea pension payment records for Basingstoke (around 1850) exist and if so where I would find them? Any help or advice very much appreciated. Kind regards Renate DRY in Germany looking for any DRY anytime and anywhere

Hi listers I am new to this list and have only been working on my family history for about 6 months, so have lots to learn. Could someone please explain what details may be found on a Marriage Certificate. I have found the marriage entry listed in the parish records dated 3.6.1802, and according to that ref William Poore was of St Mary Bourne, and his wife Willoughby Butterfield was of Up Hurstbourne, is this Hurstbourne Tarrant, Hurstbourne Priors, or is there another Hurstbourne that I have missed. I have searched both these parishes, but cannot find an entry of birth for either of them. Would a copy of the Marriage certificate list where they were actually born, or would it just refer to them being of that parish at the time of their marriage. Would the marriage certificate also name the parents of the couple? or would it just show the names of the witnesses at the time. Any assistance or suggestions where to look next would be most welcome. Many thanks Sheila South Australia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003

A useful tool for those looking for relatives in Australia There is even a REAKS on the main page Brian!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Hillier Esperance West Aust" <hillier@emerge.net.au> To: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Site IMMIGRATION WALL Just thought you might like a look at what I found on a Aust List, might be useful for someone. But I will pass it by you for you to do what you like. http://www.users.bigpond.com/aftc/WallOfHonour/VirtualWallOfHonour.htm --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/2003

We found this on the IOW list and thought it might amuse you all! It comes from "Lore of the Roses" a magazine published by the Thomas and Jane Rose Family Society Chris and Caroline The five stages of genealogy 1. Denial - I'm NOT related to you 2. Anger - I'm related to YOU ? 3. Bargaining - Okay, I'm related to you ...but ONLY by marriage 4. Depression - You mean I AM related to you ? 5. Acceptance - I guess I AM related to you. --- All of our Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. And attachments are also scanned before being added. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/2003