No trouble Cynthia - some things we can only guess at!! I did see Amelia there in Mayfair, bless her - perhaps the butler 'did it' after all!! Cheers, Patsy > Hi Patsy....Many thanks... It looks very much like Amelia's family as I > can identify Eliza & Charlotte. Amelia White has been found on 1871 census > in South St ,St Georges Hanover Sq . London as a nurserymaid aged 19. > She may well have changed her name, or the enumerator in 1861 was a trifle > deaf and heard Amelia as Maria. > Next door was a butler John Simkins , not SIMPKINS. Wonder if he was the > father of her first daughter in 1879??? Just a shot in the dark. > > Also found at the home of Dallimores in Conkswell,Bradford 1861 census a > Winifred WHITE 56 yrs lodger. Charlotte married young Henry from this > family! > > Thanks again Patsy > Cynthia > Auck NZ > > >