Hi Mary. I believe that there were a number classification of men who drove a horse drawn vehicle in the Victorian era. As their employment depended on the health of the horses - theirs or their employers - they would act as grooms as well as drivers. 1. Cabmen who drove a small passenger vehicle or hackney carriage for hire which were available in large cities in England and France since the 17thC 2. Coachmen who drove stagecoaches on longer journeys from town to town. Like the Hackney Carriages these were available from the mid 17th C 3. Carters who drove a horse drawn vehicle to transport goods. These were sometimes independent self-employed men. 4. Coachman usually employed by a family, for whom a coach and the number of coaches indicated their standing. These were often referred to as "Domestic Coachmen" and "outdoor servants". Their responsibilities could also include acting as a groom and/or guard. 5. Tram drivers - but that was after the period you quoted The census asked the individual to classify their occupation so one class may opt to list themselves as another. Hope that this helps a little David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Haskell" <dh014a7479@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: [Ham] James MOORE - coachman > The occupation of one of my husband's great, great grandfathers was a coachman on his daughter's marriage certificate. I can't find a description of the job in one of the old occupations web sites. Has anyone any ideas on what his line of work would have been? Coach and horses perhaps between towns? Working for local lords of the manor? He died around 1850/1851 (his wife was described as a widow of 36 with 7 children in 1851 census, youngest 9 months). Any other websites giving old occupations? > > Many thanks for help. Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire > Researching: > HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire > CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; MOORE, BURTON; > WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire > WILSON, Surrey; > BROWN Hants/Wilts, > MATTINGLEY, Berks > CARR Middlesex > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >

Hello David Thank you very much for your very full reply. It has dented this brick wall a bit. Only hope I can find the family by "walking the streets" in the 1841 census for Hampshire. He had died by 1851 and his widow was 36 with 7 children. Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire Researching: HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; MOORE, BURTON; WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire WILSON, Surrey; BROWN Hants/Wilts, MATTINGLEY, Berks CARR Middlesex ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] James MOORE - coachman > Hi Mary. > I believe that there were a number classification of men > who > drove a horse drawn vehicle in the Victorian era. As their employment > depended on the health of the horses - theirs or their employers - they > would act as grooms as well as drivers. > > 1. Cabmen who drove a small passenger vehicle or hackney carriage for > hire which were available in large cities in England and France since the > 17thC > 2. Coachmen who drove stagecoaches on longer journeys from town to > town. > Like the Hackney Carriages these were available from the mid 17th C > 3. Carters who drove a horse drawn vehicle to transport goods. These > were sometimes independent self-employed men. > 4. Coachman usually employed by a family, for whom a coach and the > number > of coaches indicated their standing. These were often referred to as > "Domestic Coachmen" and "outdoor servants". Their responsibilities could > also include acting as a groom and/or guard. > 5. Tram drivers - but that was after the period you quoted > > > The census asked the individual to classify their occupation so one class > may opt to list themselves as another. > > Hope that this helps a little > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Haskell" <dh014a7479@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:23 PM > Subject: [Ham] James MOORE - coachman > > >> The occupation of one of my husband's great, great grandfathers was a > coachman on his daughter's marriage certificate. I can't find a > description > of the job in one of the old occupations web sites. Has anyone any ideas > on > what his line of work would have been? Coach and horses perhaps between > towns? Working for local lords of the manor? He died around 1850/1851 > (his > wife was described as a widow of 36 with 7 children in 1851 census, > youngest > 9 months). Any other websites giving old occupations? >> >> Many thanks for help. Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire >> Researching: >> HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire >> CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; > MOORE, BURTON; >> WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire >> WILSON, Surrey; >> BROWN Hants/Wilts, >> MATTINGLEY, Berks >> CARR Middlesex >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >> > > ______________________________