Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. Thanks, Edna - sunny Ottawa

Hi Edna, I have searched the The Portsmouth Encyclopedia which is of that period and there was no reference to 'Three Dicks Alley" The only similar references are to the Three Cups Pub, The Three Tuns Pub/Tavern, The Three Crowns Pub, The Three Guns Pub and Three Tuns Alley. There are 127 references to "Alley" but none with anything similar to your search. David >From a sunny Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. > Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. > > Thanks, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Who were you looking for/at on the 1861 census in Five Dick Legs Alley. Or, do you know the Census Folio Reference for that address. Perhaps were can locate the Alley from the surrouinding area. Regards, Derek

Could it be badly-written Duck Legs Alley? I don't know of one, but that might make more sense (there was a Cow Leg Lane in Petersfield - shaped like a cow's leg - renamed Station Road when the railway arrived). Tony On 03/03/2008, Derek Reay <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Who were you looking for/at on the 1861 census in Five Dick Legs > Alley. Or, > do you know the Census Folio Reference for that address. Perhaps were can > locate the Alley from the surrouinding area. >

The full address in 1861 was Andrew Court, Dick Legs Alley Portsea. The occupant of no 3 Sarah BEAN RG09 Piece636 Folio 105 Page 19. The street previous to Dick Legs Alley is Hawk Street and the one after is Hannover Street. These must have been near the sea as many of the occupants are described as watermen. Regards Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. > Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. > > Thanks, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks kindly Rose. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Conway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea The full address in 1861 was Andrew Court, Dick Legs Alley Portsea. The occupant of no 3 Sarah BEAN RG09 Piece636 Folio 105 Page 19. The street previous to Dick Legs Alley is Hawk Street and the one after is Hannover Street. These must have been near the sea as many of the occupants are described as watermen. Regards Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. > Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. > > Thanks, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hawke street and Hanover street still exist but has been built on now and not much if any remains of the original. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Conway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > The full address in 1861 was Andrew Court, Dick Legs Alley Portsea. The > occupant of no 3 Sarah BEAN > RG09 Piece636 Folio 105 Page 19. The street previous to Dick Legs Alley > is Hawk Street and the one after is Hannover Street. These must have been > near the sea as many of the occupants are described as watermen. > > Regards > > Rose > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> > To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:50 PM > Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > > >> Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. >> Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Edna - sunny Ottawa >> For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at >> www.knightroots.co.uk >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, The long distant relative of mine was Ann Hellyer b. (b. 1835) living there right near the harbour. Thanks all, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea Hawke street and Hanover street still exist but has been built on now and not much if any remains of the original. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Conway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > The full address in 1861 was Andrew Court, Dick Legs Alley Portsea. The > occupant of no 3 Sarah BEAN > RG09 Piece636 Folio 105 Page 19. The street previous to Dick Legs Alley > is Hawk Street and the one after is Hannover Street. These must have been > near the sea as many of the occupants are described as watermen. > > Regards > > Rose > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> > To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:50 PM > Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > > >> Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. >> Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Edna - sunny Ottawa >> For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at >> www.knightroots.co.uk >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I would like to add a little bit of info regarding Bob's explanation of Dick Legs Alley, if I may. In the late 1790's, an area adjacent to the Dockyard, known as Portsea Common was developed to assist the overcrowded conditions in 'Portsmouth Town'. Once the houses had been built they became occupied, mainly by the skilled workers, the labourers and the apprentices who were employed in the Dockyard. The Dockyard being the main source of employment in the City. Portsea was to become almost a 'self contained little town with a character of its own'. These houses were quite small with even smaller houses in some of the Alley's and Courts. The houses did not have a bathroom, but there was often a bath in the cellar. The houses often shared a 'Privy, and wash house, and water was provided by a standpipe, which may have only supplied water for short periods of time throughout the day. Many of the houses were back to back, had as few as just 3 rooms, which may have included a basement or small area in the loft. The houses were often damp and had little through ventilation. In time, over a period to the 2nd World War many of these houses were to become known as being in a slum area. Of course, many of these homes were destroyed during bombing raids on the Dockyard, and many of the remaining homes were later cleared for re-developement. Both Hawke Street and Hanover Street run off Queen Street. Queen Street being a very long road, full of numerous shops, running from the Dockyard Gate to, what is now the City Centre. Both Strrets are almost oposite the Dockyard Wall, and are only approximately 100 yards or so from the 'Hard'. The Hard was adjacent to the Dockyard Gate and had a clear outlook to the sea. The properties along the Hard, which was only about 200 yards long, were mainly Public Houses Beer Houses and a Hotel. Portsea was not a place for the unwary. Some of the smaller roads were unlit and narrow. Being next to the Dockyard, the inhabitants often complained of drunk and disorderly conduct on the part of the soldiers and sailors and marines who were often in the area. There were houses of 'Ill Repute' and many street vendors selling all sorts of articles. It is said that 'Many a simple minded sailor paid high prices for worthless rubbish'. Although the houses were small, the inhabitants were proud of their properties. There was neighbourly competition in the scrubbing of the front door step. During the 1840's the Dockyard grew in size and Dockyard workers were again in demand, but later on, there was a wide ranging reduction in the workforce. The fluctuation of the workforce being dependant on whether there were any wars being fought at the time. Moored off the Hard were numerous Convict Hulks and those prisonerswere brought ashore to work as labourers in the Dockyard. In the late 1860's/early 1870's the Dockyard employment situation then led to some of the, now unemployed, workers, with the assistance of the National Emigration scheme, emigrating with their familes to Canada. I hope this makes an interesting rea. Regards, Derek > Hawke street and Hanover street still exist but has been built on now and > not much if any remains of the original. > > Bob

Thanks Derek, for that fascinating piece of history. We can almost hear/smell the place! Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Reay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea Hi, I would like to add a little bit of info regarding Bob's explanation of Dick Legs Alley, if I may. In the late 1790's, an area adjacent to the Dockyard, known as Portsea Common was developed to assist the overcrowded conditions in 'Portsmouth Town'. Once the houses had been built they became occupied, mainly by the skilled workers, the labourers and the apprentices who were employed in the Dockyard. The Dockyard being the main source of employment in the City. Portsea was to become almost a 'self contained little town with a character of its own'. These houses were quite small with even smaller houses in some of the Alley's and Courts. The houses did not have a bathroom, but there was often a bath in the cellar. The houses often shared a 'Privy, and wash house, and water was provided by a standpipe, which may have only supplied water for short periods of time throughout the day. Many of the houses were back to back, had as few as just 3 rooms, which may have included a basement or small area in the loft. The houses were often damp and had little through ventilation. In time, over a period to the 2nd World War many of these houses were to become known as being in a slum area. Of course, many of these homes were destroyed during bombing raids on the Dockyard, and many of the remaining homes were later cleared for re-developement. Both Hawke Street and Hanover Street run off Queen Street. Queen Street being a very long road, full of numerous shops, running from the Dockyard Gate to, what is now the City Centre. Both Strrets are almost oposite the Dockyard Wall, and are only approximately 100 yards or so from the 'Hard'. The Hard was adjacent to the Dockyard Gate and had a clear outlook to the sea. The properties along the Hard, which was only about 200 yards long, were mainly Public Houses Beer Houses and a Hotel. Portsea was not a place for the unwary. Some of the smaller roads were unlit and narrow. Being next to the Dockyard, the inhabitants often complained of drunk and disorderly conduct on the part of the soldiers and sailors and marines who were often in the area. There were houses of 'Ill Repute' and many street vendors selling all sorts of articles. It is said that 'Many a simple minded sailor paid high prices for worthless rubbish'. Although the houses were small, the inhabitants were proud of their properties. There was neighbourly competition in the scrubbing of the front door step. During the 1840's the Dockyard grew in size and Dockyard workers were again in demand, but later on, there was a wide ranging reduction in the workforce. The fluctuation of the workforce being dependant on whether there were any wars being fought at the time. Moored off the Hard were numerous Convict Hulks and those prisonerswere brought ashore to work as labourers in the Dockyard. In the late 1860's/early 1870's the Dockyard employment situation then led to some of the, now unemployed, workers, with the assistance of the National Emigration scheme, emigrating with their familes to Canada. I hope this makes an interesting rea. Regards, Derek > Hawke street and Hanover street still exist but has been built on now and > not much if any remains of the original. > > Bob For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I tried Googling 'Portsea - Dick Legs Alley' and got a reference to Stephen Pomeroy's homepage - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.pomeroy, and according to that 2 Dick Legs Alley was between Hawke Street and Havant Street, Portsea. 3 Dick Legs Alley is not specifically mentioned, but presumably would be in the same area? Hope this helps. Pat Collis ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. > Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. > > Thanks, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa

Thanks Pat and everyone for helping me find the place. Best wishes, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Collis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea I tried Googling 'Portsea - Dick Legs Alley' and got a reference to Stephen Pomeroy's homepage - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.pomeroy, and according to that 2 Dick Legs Alley was between Hawke Street and Havant Street, Portsea. 3 Dick Legs Alley is not specifically mentioned, but presumably would be in the same area? Hope this helps. Pat Collis ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. > Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. > > Thanks, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message