March 21 1891, Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Portsea in the County of Hants. So says Rev A B Mynors on the cert of my grandparents' wedding. In 1891, was the parish church of Portsea St Thomas (Old Portsmouth, now Cathedral) or St Mary (what we always used to call Kingston), or somewhere else altogether? I'm not sure about parish changes in late C19 and someone please put me right! Anthony Parker.

Hello Anthony The parish church of Portsea would have been St Marys. St Thomas' is Portsmouth as opposed to the parish church of Portsea. Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Parker Sent: 19 March 2010 13:00 To: Hampshire_posts rootsweb Subject: [HAM] Portsea Parish Church in 1891 March 21 1891, Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Portsea in the County of Hants. So says Rev A B Mynors on the cert of my grandparents' wedding. In 1891, was the parish church of Portsea St Thomas (Old Portsmouth, now Cathedral) or St Mary (what we always used to call Kingston), or somewhere else altogether? I'm not sure about parish changes in late C19 and someone please put me right! Anthony Parker.

Anthony a handy little tool is parloc which you can download for free online, it gives three churches for Portsea, there is the Orange street independent, St Marys` ( which many of us believed should have been made the Cathedral, certainly it is more impressive than St Thomas, and more central to the population) and St Johns, parloc also gives links to streetmaps. HTH joe Austen in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Parker" <ajparker42@hotmail.com> To: "Hampshire_posts rootsweb" <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 11:00 PM Subject: [HAM] Portsea Parish Church in 1891 > > March 21 1891, Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of > Portsea in the County of Hants. > > So says Rev A B Mynors on the cert of my grandparents' wedding. In 1891, > was the parish church of Portsea St Thomas (Old Portsmouth, now Cathedral) > or St Mary (what we always used to call Kingston), or somewhere else > altogether? I'm not sure about parish changes in late C19 and someone > please put me right! Anthony Parker. >

Not sure who the "many of us" are "that believe that St Mary's should have been the cathedral"! Cathedral status is governed by the presence of a Bishop and has nothing to do with the building itself. Parloc as a tool merely shows neighbouring parishes as opposed to churches within a parish. The name of the programme is derived from Parish Locator. Historically, St John, Portsea (principally serving the dockyard area inside the walls of which was the church of St Anne), St Mary, Portsea (serving that part of the Parish adjoining St John and the parish of Portsmouth) and St Thomas were always separate parishes, within which there were by 1891, many different churches. St Thomas served a large proportion of the merchant and wealthier portion of the population. As the population of Portsea grew, additional church capacity was required and many of what were initially chapelries of St Mary eventually became parishes in their own right - whilst others were awarded parish status on completion. These "newer" churches would include All Saints, St George, St Agatha as well as the many Southsea parishes such as St Jude, St Simon and the like. Hope this helps Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Joe Austen Sent: 19 March 2010 23:42 Anthony a handy little tool is parloc which you can download for free online, it gives three churches for Portsea, there is the Orange street independent, St Marys` ( which many of us believed should have been made the Cathedral, certainly it is more impressive than St Thomas, and more central to the population) and St Johns, parloc also gives links to streetmaps. HTH joe Austen in OZ

you are entitled to your` opinion, but that is all it is and everybody has one The many of us were my my family and their friends and descendants, and my many friends, from when I lived in Portsmouth in the 1960s. My g grandmother moved there in the 1890s and had 13 kids my father was born there, my grandparents were bombed just after the old Guildhall, and tonight is the first time I`ve ever heard St, Thomas` called impressive or heard of anyone agreeing with it being the Portsmouth Cathedral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hampshire OPC" <hampshireopc@btinternet.com> To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Portsea Parish Church in 1891 > Not sure who the "many of us" are "that believe that St Mary's should have > been the cathedral"! Cathedral status is governed by the presence of a > Bishop and has nothing to do with the building itself. > Parloc as a tool merely shows neighbouring parishes as opposed to churches > within a parish. The name of the programme is derived from Parish Locator. > > > Hope this helps > Linda & Tony > > -----Original Message----- > > On Behalf Of Joe Austen > Sent: 19 March 2010 23:42 > > Anthony a handy little tool is parloc which you can download for free > online, it gives three churches for Portsea, there is the Orange street > independent, St Marys` ( which many of us believed should have been made > the > Cathedral, certainly it is more impressive than St Thomas, and more > central > to the population) and St Johns, parloc also gives links to streetmaps. > HTH > joe Austen in OZ ps where do you think I got names of the three churches from? > > >

Linda & Tony are right, no matter what people wish or prefer. The bishop has it! You'll find it in the dictionary even, like it or lump it, a cathedral is a church which contains the bishop's seat! That's what turns it into a cathedral. Nothing else! Can't argue with the facts no matter how plain, ugly or beautiful the church is nor how sentimental you may feel about the church. try Wikipedia if you wish: The word cathedral is derived from the Latin word cathedra ("seat" or "chair"), and refers to the presence of the bishop's or archbishop's chair or throne. In the ancient world, the chair was the symbol of a teacher and thus of the bishop's role as teacher, and also of an official presiding as a magistrate and thus of the bishop's role in governing a diocese. Though now grammatically used as a noun, the term cathedral was originally the adjective in the phrase "cathedral church", from the Latin ecclesia cathedralis. The seat marks the place set aside in the prominent church of the diocese for the head of that diocese and is therefore a major symbol of authority. le durachd Fionnghal > you are entitled to your` opinion, but that is all it > is and everybody has one > The many of us were my my family and their friends and > descendants, and my > many friends, from when I lived in Portsmouth in the 1960s. > My g grandmother > moved there in the 1890s and had 13 kids my father was born > there, my > grandparents were bombed just after the old Guildhall, and > tonight is the > first time I've ever heard St, Thomas` called impressive or > heard of anyone > agreeing with it being the Portsmouth Cathedral

I'm not sure who the "many of us" are either? I think St Thomas's Church is far more impressive than St Mary's, also far older with far more history. -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Parker Sent: 19 March 2010 1:00 PM To: Hampshire_posts rootsweb Subject: [HAM] Portsea Parish Church in 1891 March 21 1891, Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Portsea in the County of Hants. So says Rev A B Mynors on the cert of my grandparents' wedding. In 1891, was the parish church of Portsea St Thomas (Old Portsmouth, now Cathedral) or St Mary (what we always used to call Kingston), or somewhere else altogether? I'm not sure about parish changes in late C19 and someone please put me right! Anthony Parker. For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message