Trying to locate a first Marriage of Margaret Jane Ferris (b.c. 1856) to Anthony McLaughlin circa 1885 Portsea. Couldn't find it in Knightroots site. Thank you, Edna - Ottawa

Hi Moses and Sarah Good were both tried for receiving stolen goods. Moses was found guilty on 15th January 1852 and sent to prison for 12 months Sarah was found not guilty. Hope this helps Ann

I wonder if someone could expand further on this announcement in the Hampshire Telegraph of June 5 1880, Issue 4992: On 28 May 1880 a Mr. John Ferris age 38 years died. Thank you, Edna - Ottawa

Many thanks to Fionnghal for a quick reply and copy of the page. Moses was convicted and sentence to 12 months on January 15 1852. (The next entry in the book is for his daughter who was found not guilty on the same charge.) If anyone can suggest where the sentence might have been served I would appreciate the help. TIA Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida

Ancestry shows my great great great grandfather Moses Good as being convicted on 15 January 1852. It seems that my level of membership does not allow me to see the image of the record which might indicate additional information such as the crime and date of release. If SKS has a suitable level of access and can forward the image to me it would be much appreciated TIA Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida

I'm afraid it doesn't really say very much but has a Sarah Good listed alongside him which may be useful. Have you tried the Old Bailey? http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/ You might find their case amongst the records. Good luck le durachd Fionnghal > Ancestry shows my great great great > grandfather Moses Good as being > convicted on 15 January 1852. It seems that my level of Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I'll have a look for you, Kenneth. give me a mo. Fionnghal > Ancestry shows my great great great > grandfather Moses Good as being > convicted on 15 January 1852. It seems that my level of

Trying to get more info from STEER/KNIGHT cousins re this Eliza Knight who m. James Steer in 1866. "CHU42/1B/1 St James Milton page 148 no 295 Jan 22 1866 James STEER, 29, bachelor, Mariner, Southsea & Eliza KNIGHT, 20, spinster, Southsea. Fathers George STEER, Sawyer & George KNIGHT, Keeper, in the presence of Mary Ann HOPKINS & John WHITE" George Knight (1818-98) & Elizabeth Edney (1822-56) did have Eliza (b. 1845 and chr. by them) daughter at Hambledon (Droxford District). I have no record that George (b. 1818) had a sister at this moment. Very confusing... Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "LINDA" <knightroots@btinternet.com> To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:48 AM Subject: [HAM] Eliza KNIGHT Edna There is a marriage in Alresford district 2c 254 Dec ¼ 1852 Sarah Ann KNIGHT & Daniel NEWMAN.(Informant, present at Eliza's death) There is a death of a Sarah NEWMAN died Dec ¼ 1860 Droxford district 2c 61. Daniel NEWMAN was a widower in the 1861 census living in Hambledon with his sister Louisa he was born East Meon. Could it be that Sarah was an unmarried mother and Eliza was Daniel and Sarah's daughter pre marriage but was brought up by George and Elizabeth whilst Sarah was working? Sarah could therefore be George KNIGHT's sister? Did George have a sister called Sarah Edna? Linda and Tony For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edna There is a marriage in Alresford district 2c 254 Dec ¼ 1852 Sarah Ann KNIGHT & Daniel NEWMAN.(Informant, present at Eliza’s death) There is a death of a Sarah NEWMAN died Dec ¼ 1860 Droxford district 2c 61. Daniel NEWMAN was a widower in the 1861 census living in Hambledon with his sister Louisa he was born East Meon. Could it be that Sarah was an unmarried mother and Eliza was Daniel and Sarah’s daughter pre marriage but was brought up by George and Elizabeth whilst Sarah was working? Sarah could therefore be George KNIGHT’s sister? Did George have a sister called Sarah Edna? Linda and Tony

No, I can't. Sorry Edna. I used findmypast.com. I first tried to find Eliza - used 1845 + or - 2 years and allowed variants of both names. Then I tried to find Sarah Ann with advanced search to allow Eliza in the household. No luck there either. Along the way I found a KNIGHT family with the youngest child being transcribed as surname KEIGHT. Worth thinking about! In your case, maybe the surname is not Knight... or she was not registered especially if no father is mentioned. Good luck and I hope someone else can find them. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) Summary of query... Baptized 12-10-1845 Eliza Knight, buried 1860. Mother Sarah Ann Knight - need 1851 census for Eliza, assumed with Sarah Ann. .. for Edna in Ottawa.

Edna ~ there is a Eliza KNIGHT b. Abt 1848 at Candover, Hampshire. Mothers name Sarah KNIGHT age 26, and George KNIGHT age 7 brother to Eliza. Also in the family are Harriet KNIGHT and John KNIGHT brother and sister to Sarah if you think this might be the Eliza you're looking for. Contact me off list for further details ~ John ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> To: "Hampshire-L" <Hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: [HAM] KNIGHT Eliza (1845-60) of Hambledon area on 51 Census > (Cousin has) Death certificate which states that Eliza Knight died Nov. 5, > 1860 age 14. Daughter of Sarah Ann Knight, Domestic Servant. Cause of > Death - Typhoid fever - 6weeks. Informant - Daniel Newman, present at > death - by his Mark. > > With appreciation, > > Edna - Ottawa

Dawn you won't find Hampshire on the 1851 on Find My past as the 1851 isn't complete yet. If you put in a surname and look at the counties in the box it gives the ones which are complete. Hope this helps, Linda and Tony

1851 census HO107 1676 322 10 living in Gliddon Hambledon George Knight Head married 33 Farm born Hambledon,Hants Elizabeth Knight wife married 29 born Hambledon,Hants George Knight son 7 born Hambledon,Hants Eliza Knight dr 6 born Hambledon,Hants Mark Knight son 1 born Hambledon,Hants >From Ancestry Linda and Tony Sent: 07 October 2009 14:53 To: Hampshire-L Subject: [HAM] KNIGHT Eliza (1845-60) of Hambledon area on 51 Census Could someone locate a 1851 Census, which would include this mother and daughter please. Saw a chr. on the IGI 12-10-1845.... for Eliza Knight. Later an Eliza Knight of Pit Hill, Hambledon buried 8 Nov 1860 # 89 in Burial Register, by Thos. Patterson, Vicar. Only 14 years when she passed away. (Cousin has) Death certificate which states that Eliza Knight died Nov. 5, 1860 age 14. Daughter of Sarah Ann Knight, Domestic Servant. Cause of Death - Typhoid fever - 6weeks. Informant - Daniel Newman, present at death - by his Mark. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa

Edna - if you would like a pic of Hambledon churchyard let me know (with your email address) - my house backs onto it! Ruth in Hambledon, Hampshire "The Cradle of Cricket" -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: 07 October 2009 14:53 To: Hampshire-L Subject: [HAM] KNIGHT Eliza (1845-60) of Hambledon area on 51 Census Later an Eliza Knight of Pit Hill, Hambledon buried 8 Nov 1860 # 89 in Burial Register, by Thos. Patterson, Vicar. Only 14 years when she passed away.

Hi Ruth, All is well and hope the same for you too. You sent me a photo some time ago but perhaps you have forgotten. I do have some photos taken in May 2004 when Ken and I visited along with two dear Hampshire friends. What a lovely village once home of my KNIGHTs. With thanks, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Orange Wasps" <orange.wasps@virgin.net> To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] KNIGHT Eliza (1845-60) of Hambledon area on 51 Census Edna - if you would like a pic of Hambledon churchyard let me know (with your email address) - my house backs onto it! Ruth in Hambledon, Hampshire "The Cradle of Cricket" -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: 07 October 2009 14:53 To: Hampshire-L Subject: [HAM] KNIGHT Eliza (1845-60) of Hambledon area on 51 Census Later an Eliza Knight of Pit Hill, Hambledon buried 8 Nov 1860 # 89 in Burial Register, by Thos. Patterson, Vicar. Only 14 years when she passed away. For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks kindly dear Linda. With appreciation, Edna - cloudy and cool Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "LINDA" <knightroots@btinternet.com> To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: [HAM] 1851 census Eliza KNIGHT 1851 census HO107 1676 322 10 living in Gliddon Hambledon George Knight Head married 33 Farm born Hambledon,Hants Elizabeth Knight wife married 29 born Hambledon,Hants George Knight son 7 born Hambledon,Hants Eliza Knight dr 6 born Hambledon,Hants Mark Knight son 1 born Hambledon,Hants >From Ancestry Linda and Tony Sent: 07 October 2009 14:53 To: Hampshire-L Subject: [HAM] KNIGHT Eliza (1845-60) of Hambledon area on 51 Census Could someone locate a 1851 Census, which would include this mother and daughter please. Saw a chr. on the IGI 12-10-1845.... for Eliza Knight. Later an Eliza Knight of Pit Hill, Hambledon buried 8 Nov 1860 # 89 in Burial Register, by Thos. Patterson, Vicar. Only 14 years when she passed away. (Cousin has) Death certificate which states that Eliza Knight died Nov. 5, 1860 age 14. Daughter of Sarah Ann Knight, Domestic Servant. Cause of Death - Typhoid fever - 6weeks. Informant - Daniel Newman, present at death - by his Mark. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The messages about gardener ancestors have been interesting. I have several gardeners in my family tree, they all moved around the country a lot and it would seem that there was a network of employers and employees who would refer people on. For instance one of mine had obviously moved to work at the same garden as his older brother. Employers also advertised in gardening publications of the time. An interesting book 'the Head Gardeners' by Toby Musgrave (pub 2007) is well worth reading for more background. Wendy Wright wacave@hotmail.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Could someone locate a 1851 Census, which would include this mother and daughter please. Saw a chr. on the IGI 12-10-1845.... for Eliza Knight. Later an Eliza Knight of Pit Hill, Hambledon buried 8 Nov 1860 # 89 in Burial Register, by Thos. Patterson, Vicar. Only 14 years when she passed away. (Cousin has) Death certificate which states that Eliza Knight died Nov. 5, 1860 age 14. Daughter of Sarah Ann Knight, Domestic Servant. Cause of Death - Typhoid fever - 6weeks. Informant - Daniel Newman, present at death - by his Mark. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa

Hi Francis, Some of them became mechanics to fix the new fangled machines! Leigh, Sydney (over the ditch). From: Francis Payne <francisp@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [HAM] Ag Labs & Gardeners The TV show Victorian Farm how, by the 1880s, machinery was drastically reducing the number of ag labs needed per farm. So what did these people who had been, or would have been,?ag labs do ??Seems like they became gardeners instead.

I wouldn't agree that "farm servants" means something different than "farm workers". The term "servants" had a broader meaning in Victorian times than it has today. Railway workers were referred to as "railway servants" -- as in the name of their trade union, the "Amalgamated Society of Railway Servants"//. Peter McCaffery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Poile wrote: > Regarding difference between Ag Lab and Farm Labourer the only thing > I've noticed is that a lot of the Farm Labourers tend to be married > men who are settled down - whereas my Ag Labs tend to be a mixture of > both single and married people. Think a lot depends on the person > writing the information down and people tending to give a grander > title to the mundane job - i.e. Farm Labourer sounds better then Ag > Lab. > > To add confusion I even have "Farm Servants" - these we have been told > tend to work in or near the farm house rather then out on the fields. > > Kevin (England) > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. > > Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. > Thanks > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4485 (20091006) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > >