Hi, CM will be Court Martial. My guess would be that he spent time in gaol for 'Absence without leave' and/or drunkenness. I have an ancestor who served in the army and he was forever in and out of military gaols, and lost pay in doing so. He only calmed down and behaved well once he got married, and then left with a good service record. At one point he was reduced to the ranks, from Lance Corporal, for hitting another soldier! I bet there's a story there! Stephanie

My grandfather also joined the RN on his 18th birthday in 1906. Seems it was the minimum age they took them in! Dawn (Melbourne Australia - grandparents came here 1924) On Behalf Of Fionnghal Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2010 2:03 AM To: hampshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAM] Portsmouth Goal & HMS Duke of Wellington hi folks, my grt grandad Francis Joseph Clarke, joined the navy 24 Mar 1876 - curiously his birthday is also 24 Mar but in 1858.  __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4855 (20100210) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thank you Edna. he's there http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/HMSWellington81.html seems he was between bouts in clink! His record shows he was on board the Duke of Wellington - and behaving himself - between 1 Apr & 21 May tying in with the 1881 census I was lucky, that page is torn and he's in just below the tear. Francis J. CLARKE, Unm. 23, Male b. Bethnal Green, MDX; Able Seaman :-) Fionnghal Bob Sanders '81 Ships in Port site -- http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/81Intro.html Edna - Ottawa

hi folks, my grt grandad Francis Joseph Clarke, joined the navy 24 Mar 1876 - curiously his birthday is also 24 Mar but in 1858.  We;d never found birth lines for him, he doesn't appear in the FreeeBMD and i've been though FH sites birth GRO records page by page without finding him. I only discovered this date through receiving his service record through NA.   I'll be able to follow that one up and see if he was born then Anyway, what i;m really interested in at this moment is that I find that he was a bit of a wild sailor and much of his record is concerned with his being in the cells!  Sometimes it's a prison hulk i.e. Duke of Wellington, but others it is a mainland jail if i'm reading this doc right. Curiously, he can be down as 'VG' [Very Good?] or 'fair' in his character column, then in a neighbouring column, he's in the cells.  ie: 'D?' to Portsmouth Gaol 21.7.1880 and the neighbouring column appears to say "8 days L* 17/69 for?  [while on the Excellent 24Oct'79 - 8Jan '80] 28 days Imp NDA    [while on the D of Wellington 14Aug'80-18 Sep '81] It's hard to say which of the preveious two statements refers to the Portsmouth Goal one if in fact the two relate to each other as the Portsmouth entry appears to cover two lines of writing. *the 'L' I believe stands for 'list' relating to the ship Later on he appears to have been sent to Winchester Goal [HAM ?] on 29 Mar '82, from the Duke of Wellington while serving on the Serapis so presumably though officially on the serapis, he was sent to the Duke to serve the sentence then ends up in a mainland jail: Character: Indifferent D Wellington for 12mths 'imp & dismissal per CM'.  remarks col.: ?Pte Winchester Goal from Duke of Well List 18/953 on 29 Mar '82  [Ind] Presumably the Duke of Wellington was docked in Portsmouth at this time  could 'imp' = imprisoned? He was also in Lewes Goal a couple of times but i don;t know if that was a ship or a mainland jail.  Other occasions it just says Cells so i don;t nkow if that was on his own ship or somewhere else.  Are there any local Hampshire records which would cover such events?  Not all his terms on the Wellington appear to be spent in the cells, it seams that he served on it too.  There are also 2 ships, The Juno & the Serapis [a troopship], where he almost invariably ended up in the cells.  Can't figure if it was the type of ship it was or if he just had more problems leading to trouble with the authority on those particular ones.  The Serapis berthed periodically at Portsmouth but I haven't discovered so far if the Juno did.  Other ships he sailed in were the Boscowan, Impregnable & Implacable but I've yet to find if they relate to Portsmouth. Thanks for any help anyone can offer.  le durachd Fionnghal

Did you notice your ('81 Census) Francis J. Clarke age 28 on Duke of Wellington training ship. He was born, Bethnal Green, Mdx. Edna - Ottawa

Bob Sanders '81 Ships in Port site -- http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/81Intro.html Edna - Ottawa

Wonder if he lied about his age. When did he pass away? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duke_of_Wellington Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fionnghal" <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:03 AM Subject: [HAM] Portsmouth Goal & HMS Duke of Wellington hi folks, my grt grandad Francis Joseph Clarke, joined the navy 24 Mar 1876 - curiously his birthday is also 24 Mar but in 1858. We;d never found birth lines for him, he doesn't appear in the FreeeBMD and i've been though FH sites birth GRO records page by page without finding him. I only discovered this date through receiving his service record through NA. I'll be able to follow that one up and see if he was born then Anyway, what i;m really interested in at this moment is that I find that he was a bit of a wild sailor and much of his record is concerned with his being in the cells! Sometimes it's a prison hulk i.e. Duke of Wellington, but others it is a mainland jail if i'm reading this doc right. Curiously, he can be down as 'VG' [Very Good?] or 'fair' in his character column, then in a neighbouring column, he's in the cells. ie: 'D?' to Portsmouth Gaol 21.7.1880 and the neighbouring column appears to say "8 days L* 17/69 for? [while on the Excellent 24Oct'79 - 8Jan '80] 28 days Imp NDA [while on the D of Wellington 14Aug'80-18 Sep '81] It's hard to say which of the preveious two statements refers to the Portsmouth Goal one if in fact the two relate to each other as the Portsmouth entry appears to cover two lines of writing. *the 'L' I believe stands for 'list' relating to the ship Later on he appears to have been sent to Winchester Goal [HAM ?] on 29 Mar '82, from the Duke of Wellington while serving on the Serapis so presumably though officially on the serapis, he was sent to the Duke to serve the sentence then ends up in a mainland jail: Character: Indifferent D Wellington for 12mths 'imp & dismissal per CM'. remarks col.: ?Pte Winchester Goal from Duke of Well List 18/953 on 29 Mar '82 [Ind] Presumably the Duke of Wellington was docked in Portsmouth at this time could 'imp' = imprisoned? He was also in Lewes Goal a couple of times but i don;t know if that was a ship or a mainland jail. Other occasions it just says Cells so i don;t nkow if that was on his own ship or somewhere else. Are there any local Hampshire records which would cover such events? Not all his terms on the Wellington appear to be spent in the cells, it seams that he served on it too. There are also 2 ships, The Juno & the Serapis [a troopship], where he almost invariably ended up in the cells. Can't figure if it was the type of ship it was or if he just had more problems leading to trouble with the authority on those particular ones. The Serapis berthed periodically at Portsmouth but I haven't discovered so far if the Juno did. Other ships he sailed in were the Boscowan, Impregnable & Implacable but I've yet to find if they relate to Portsmouth. Thanks for any help anyone can offer. le durachd Fionnghal For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, I am hoping someone can help me with my road block, as many of you have seen my postings for Harry Terry and his wife Lucy Johnston. Reading through their children's births and baptism I see: 1. 1822, daughter born St. Mary, Portsea, ( Amelia) father: Harry Terry of Engineer's Office a tailor 2. 1826, daughter ( MaryAnn) born St. Mary's , Portsea, father listed as Harry Terry of Mill Dam a Royal Marine. 3. 1830, a daughter's bap. at St. Thomas, Portsmouth, father listed as Harry Terry of White Hart Row a tailor. Any suggestions or help, I would really like to find some information of this family that ended up in Ontario by 1851, living with daughter Mary Ann and son-in-law James Wark. Thanks, Cheryl Wark in the rainy Okanagan Penticton, B.C. Canada

Hi Everyone, Is there anyone researching the name SPARROW? I am having problems with a William Charles SPARROW born c1824/1826 Portsea/Southsea. Charles married Emma SILK 1848 in Calne Wiltshire and on Ancestry his father was named as Charles SPARROW. On the 1841 census for Portsea I can find a William SPARROW born c1826 but he is listed with a William SPARROW. There is a family with a head of Charles SPARROW. I'm wondering if he was 'loaned' out for the 1841 census .......... Any help appreciated. Best wishes, Derek

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Hello m'dears, Andrew Walmsley, the author of the website I posted has asked me to correct the link, as it is split on the List email. So I suggest you can copy and paste the full link in to the browser: http://www.newforestexplorersguide.co.uk/sitefolders/villages/lyndhurst/park hill/parkhillpage.html or if this fails use this shortened link and then use the website to find the relevant page. www.newforestexplorersguide.co.uk Information and images - New Forest villages, wildlife, walks, cycling, history, commoning, pubs and much more. Best Wishes, Chris.

David, Standard Baptism index for Hampshire only goes back to 1752. Peter Hi,Curious if someone on this mailing list has access to Christening for all of Hampshire.  I have fragmentary info that a Thomas ATTRYDE or ATTRIDE was born ca 1735 in Hampshire.  His 1756 marriage took place at Winchester St Peter, Cheesehill, Hampshire.  Does anyone have a baptism listed for that parish?Thanks!David AttrideTennessee, U.S.

Hi all I am looking for some more information of Sarah TOBIN, nee? after she moved to Portsmouth. She was born at Barnard Castle, County Durham, in c1862 and married Irish born Staff Sgt Matthias TOBIN, aged 30, in 1880. 1881. Aged 19 at Clarence Rd, Alverstoke, with Matthias and son Frederick. 1891. Aged 29 at St Boltoph, Colchester, again with Matthias, now a Quartermaster Sgt and 4 children 1901 aged 39 at 10 Highbury St Portsmouth, no Matthias and "living own means" and 3 children at home I can't decide whether her status, in 1901, is "U" can't be. An "M" where is Matthias and why "living own means"? or a funny "W" Does anybody know when she died or what happened to Matthias TIA In a damp but warm Adelaide, S Australia

Unfortunately there are just under 500 parishes and chapelries in Hampshire - marriages frequently took place in the brides parish and so the marriage location may be a red herring when trying to locate a baptism some 21 years previous. The next baptism cd from the HGS will cover this period but it is not yet ready for release. Your best bet is to check the various Winchester parishes at your local LDS FH Center - it’s a long trawl and could take you many hours - good luck with your quest. Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Attride Sent: 31 January 2010 18:09 To: HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAM] Lookup Requested for Baptism of Thomas Attryde Hi,Curious if someone on this mailing list has access to Christening for all of Hampshire.  I have fragmentary info that a Thomas ATTRYDE or ATTRIDE was born ca 1735 in Hampshire.  His 1756 marriage took place at Winchester St Peter, Cheesehill, Hampshire.  Does anyone have a baptism listed for that parish?Thanks!David AttrideTennessee, U.S. For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've got an interest in Maguires. The ones I am researching came from Queenstown, Cork. Anyone else looking at MAGUIRES in Portsea? Penny -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Nixey" <jons.family.tree@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:00 PM To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HAM] Sarah TOBIN > Hi Tony, > > According to FreeBMD indexes, Matthias Tobin and Sarah Maguire married at > Portsea Island Jul-Sept 1878 vol 2b page 765. > > > >

Hi again Tony, Sorry for the long gap between these messages, I had an important meeting to attend this afternoon. Now I'm back, I've found on Ancestry's death index that a 78 year old Sarah Tobin died at Portsmouth in 1939, vol 2b page 839. This gives an estimated birth year of 1861, so she is very likely your Sarah Tobin.

Hi Tony, According to FreeBMD indexes, Matthias Tobin and Sarah Maguire married at Portsea Island Jul-Sept 1878 vol 2b page 765. If you purchase this marriage certificate, it "should" confirm Sarah's father's name / occupation. Also, Sarah's surname from the marriage index "should" help you to trace her further back in the censuses, or the 1871 at least! Kind regards, Jon

Hi,Curious if someone on this mailing list has access to Christening for all of Hampshire.  I have fragmentary info that a Thomas ATTRYDE or ATTRIDE was born ca 1735 in Hampshire.  His 1756 marriage took place at Winchester St Peter, Cheesehill, Hampshire.  Does anyone have a baptism listed for that parish?Thanks!David AttrideTennessee, U.S.

I have a long list of HAMER's from my family tree, just thought someone may be searching for my names. I am living in Hope. My HAMER's range from 1787 BAPTISMS AT Holy Trinity church Gosport Hampshire to 1900's India, and inbetween. My Hamers do not have any other spelling variations. 1700's - John Hamer of Montserrat, Joseph Hamer of Demerara, 1800's - Samuel Blair Hamer of Guernsey, London, Berkshire, Henry Percy Hamer of Calcutta 1900's - Ella Anna Hamer of Calcutta, Spouses names: BAMPTON India SCOTT Guernsey WALDRON Berkshire MATHEW Surrey/India ELLIS Cireus Greenwich LAWRENCE Chelsea BRAUD Paris/Tonbridge Kent I am particularly looking for the whereabouts of Samuel Blair Hamer after his marriage to Caroline Catherine Elizabeth Waldron in Berkshire 1951. She re-married in 1859 in Manchester. Samuels first wife Anna Scott (Guernsey)was not deceased when he married Caroline regards Rhonda Mathew-Hemrit peggymathew@hotmail.com peggymathew@rpm.faithweb.com home page www.rpm.faithweb.com _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hello m'dears I am very intrigued by the web page: http://www.newforestexplorersguide.co.uk/sitefolders/villages/lyndhurst/park hill/parkhillpage.html "Used in the first half of the 19th century by a Mr. STURGEON, this modestly proportioned property was rather dismissively described as: 'very small.with just a drawing room and dining room'. But the STURGEONS were not a conventional family of the time, for Mr. STURGEON'S mother, a Lady, no less, married her footman and dropped her title, whilst on Mr. STURGEON'S death, the house passed into the hands of one of his servant's sons, a man named TATE, who farmed the fields and often let the house. By 1855, however, the house or tenant, Lindesay Shedden, Esq. TATE eventually sold in 1857 to Captain William Morant, keeper for a number of seasons of the New Forest Hounds" These paragraphs mention my father's TATE family. I have spent a few hours on Google trying to find out more accurate dates and the forenames, but to no avail. I think that the footman may have been Thomas TATE, his spouse was HANNAH, her surname and the marriage date unknown, they had a son THOMAS CHARLES TATE who was baptised in Alverstoke, Oct 1811 There seems to be a STURGEON family in Alverstoke!! THOMAS TATE and his family lived at Pond Head in the 1851 census, and HANNAH TATE, widow, is shown as a "Lady". Thank you for reading this, and I would love to hear if more can be added to prove or disprove my thoughts. Best Wishes, Chris. Best Wishes, Chris.