FITZMAURICE - REDSTONE - COLE - HALL, Bishops Waltham Hi folks. I hadn't realised that a different branch of my family would be landing me back in HAM , but it seems it does. :-) However, I've reached an impasse here and hoping one or two of you may know my family and can hopefully help me prove/disprove it. Though not apparent in this 1861, the family appears to concentrate itself in Bishops Waltham. However, dad may have been a sailor or traveller because my boy got himself born in Ireland while a brother & sister arrived here. They appear to be quite definitely a local family even though i suspect the Fitzmaurices are a more recent arrival on the scene. 1861 census: St George in East, London MDX; RG9/277 ED.16 Folio 71 pg.72 Sch.24 - hard copy addr.: 157 Cannon st rd., St Gge.. East LON James FITZMAURICE 57 b.c. 1804 Kerry, Ireland Head Mary FITZMAURICE 45 b.c. 1816 St Gge in the East, MDX Wife James FITZMAURICE 26 b.c. 1835 Shadwell, MDX Son TERESA REDSTONE 25 b.c. 1836 Winchester HAM Niece Unm. I naturally figured Teresa's mum was a sibling of James and headed to HAM to find her parents. I did. 1841 census WINCHESTER & HURSLEY, HO107/409 folio 6/15 p.24 addr.: Lower Brook St, St Maurice, Winchester HAM REDSTON, Joseph M 40 1801 HAM REDSTON, Jane F 40 1801 HAM REDSTON, James* M 11 1830 HAM REDSTON, George* M 8 1833 HAM REDSTON, TERESA F 6 1835 HAM REDSTON, Frances F 1 1840 HAM PEARCE, Charles M 59 1782 HAM PEARCE, Charles M 18 1823 HAM The marriage proved it - well, I haven't found the marriage record but their kids were all RC christened and mum's surname was included :-) However, that may not necessarily prove the parents were married. I've come on that before. Josephi REDSTONE & Joannae FITZMORRIS must have married c.1834 as it is clear that Joseph had at least one previous wife. Two children* in the above 1841 census are the product of Joseph's marriage to CATHERINE SHEPHERD. Between the two marriages i find at least 9 kids. Teresa is the 1st for Jane Fitzmaurice. The Luke middle name appears in some of the kids names which verifies this nicely + verifies his earlier marriage to Catherine. Parents: Joannis REDSTONE & Laetitiae Josephum Lucam REDSTONE - b.17 Oct 1794 chr.18 Oct 1794 RC, Newport, HAM ? Deaths Dec 1854 Redstone Joseph *   Winchester 2c 66 Having found my Jane FITZMAURICE, i then searched for a birth and found a very likely one, and given that the name isn't all that common, I'm willing to run with it. Parents: Edward FITZMAURICE & Martha COLE m.9 May 1802 St Marys, Portsea, HAM M062612 Jane FITZMAURICE chr.29 Apr 1801 Bishops Waltham, HAM K146691 William Fitz Morris chr.7 May 1809 Bishops Waltham, HAM j146691 James William FITZMAURICE b.c.1804 Ireland --- but no birth record It has crossed my mind that JW may have been born in Ireland but baptised in B/Waltham a few years later and may be one and the same with William. I haven't found a census for the William brother but have all the censuses for both my JW and his sister Jane My interest in this family is further heightened by the fact that in JW's 1841 census, the family is headed by a MARTHA F/m. which is suggestive of James William & Jane's mum being MARTHA COLE. 1841 census St George in the East, St Paul at H107/697/3; folio/pg 19/31 FITZMAURICE, Martha 60 F born N b.c.1780 FITZMAURICE, James 38 M St Paul born Ire. FITZMAURICE, Mary 26 F St Paul born Y FITZMAURICE, Edward 9 M St Paul Y b.1832 FITZMAURICE, James 7 M St Paul Y b.1834 FITZMAURICE, Thomas 5 M St Paul Y b.1837 FITZMAURICE, Francis 3 M St Paul Y a Martha Cole was born in BW at exactly the right time to be mine. Parents: WILLIAM COLE/s m. JENNY HALL 8 APR 1776 Bishops Waltham MARTHA COLE/s chr.18 AUG 1780 Bishops Waltham HAM K146691 she has 4 siblings to date. I found the transcription to William & Jenny's marriage on KnightRoots :-) Does anyone know this family? Do you know if there are any more Fitzmaurice siblings? Has anyone come on the marr. of Edward Fitzmaurice & Martha Cole? It is possible that Edward F/m is Irish of course however, his wife is definitely local and i suspect that would mean they would marry locally. thanks for taking the time to read this. le durachd Fionnghal

You could also contact <mailto:bereavement.services@southampton.gov.uk> bereavement.services@southampton.gov.uk they should be able to check the local burials grounds for your particular names. Linda and Tony

You could try contacting the Southampton archives at city.archives@southampton.gov.uk. They should be able to point you in the right direction. Hope this helps,Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek and Jennifer way Sent: 16 March 2010 11:03 To: hampshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAM] Shedfield Hi Everyone, I am trying locate the resting place of a couple on my WAY family tree, namely: Charles Uriah WAY died possibly June qtr 1915 Southampton Reg. Dist. Sarah Jane WAY (nee JEORRETT) died 14/1/1943 I do know Sarah Jane died at Shedfield. Has anyone information which might lead to their resting place. I would like to get a photograph of their grave headstone if that is possible. Best Wishes, Derek WAY

Hi Everyone, I am trying locate the resting place of a couple on my WAY family tree, namely: Charles Uriah WAY died possibly June qtr 1915 Southampton Reg. Dist. Sarah Jane WAY (nee JEORRETT) died 14/1/1943 I do know Sarah Jane died at Shedfield. Has anyone information which might lead to their resting place. I would like to get a photograph of their grave headstone if that is possible. Best Wishes, Derek WAY

Hi Listers, I am new to this list, and am researching the names GILL, BUTCHER, and TRUEBRIDGE/TRUBRIDGE, especially in the Andover area. Have found a few, mostly in Wellington Road, Andover, but don't know if they are at all connected to my line. Hoping someone else is researching the same! Any information would be greatly appreciated! TIA Sandie

Good day Listers. Am looking to find the birth of Emily Eliza Watson, born 1820C in Portsmouth.Hampshire. On her marriage certificate when she married John Young in November, 1842, her father , Edward Watson is deceased, and one of the witnesses is a Sophia Watson, who I tend to think is her mother. In all the Census that I found her on, she states that she was born in Portsmouth. She remarried a second time, a William Charles Thomas, in 1867. She had 2 sons with John Young, and 3 daughters with William Thomas. She married both of her husbands in London. I have asked the list about her previously, but am having another try. Any suggestions where to look will be appreciated. She really is a stone waller for me. Many thanx Marion Melbourne

Another thing like this is the y. It has a stroke across it I think and was in effect an additional letter of the alphabet. Along with the long s, it made 28 letters in the alphabet of the day - there were probably another couple too. We see it in Ye Olde Teashop etc - but it was just pronounced th. So, the "ye olde" folk are wrong - it should be just plain "the" these days! The th/y changed earlier than the s/f did though, I believe. Dawn <<In searching the scottish records Russell has been spelt as Rufsell/Rufsel especially in the 1700/1800's. They considered it an old writing. Someone on a list sent me the meaning of the old writing, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. Just recently found them on a 1841 census as Ropsell. I always use the soundex as have found them with all kinds of different variations. Joan B.C. Canada>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4913 (20100303) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Joan and Dawn Thank you so much for this information. I will pass it on to others in the family. Smiles Pat Darwin Australia Another thing like this is the y. It has a stroke across it I think and was in effect an additional letter of the alphabet. Along with the long s, it made 28 letters in the alphabet of the day - there were probably another couple too. We see it in Ye Olde Teashop etc - but it was just pronounced th. So, the "ye olde" folk are wrong - it should be just plain "the" these days! The th/y changed earlier than the s/f did though, I believe. Dawn <<In searching the scottish records Russell has been spelt as Rufsell/Rufsel especially in the 1700/1800's. They considered it an old writing. Someone on a list sent me the meaning of the old writing, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. Just recently found them on a 1841 census as Ropsell. I always use the soundex as have found them with all kinds of different variations. Joan B.C. Canada>>

Hi Pat Given the long s of the day which looks like an f to the modern eye (the first s of a pair was often written f and always was till perhaps 1750) you only have two names - Russell is the same name as Rufsell, and Russen the same as Rufsen. I meet this a lot with my gg grandmother and her sisters - maiden name Bossingham - comes up often appearing to be Bofsingham. It isn't - the people of the day knew quite well it was Bossingham. The long s is in fact a little different to an f when you examine it carefully... Dawn (Melbourne Australia) We have Thomas Russen who also seems to have been spelt Rufsen, Rufsell and Russell. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4913 (20100303) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi, National Archives Handwriting Tutorial: (you will see some old writing here in this site) http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/default.htm Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Hi Pat and Dawn I am a descandent of a Russell who came from Scotland. In searching the scottish records Russell has been spelt as Rufsell/Rufsel especially in the 1700/1800's. They considered it an old writing. Someone on a list sent me the meaning of the old writing, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. Just recently found them on a 1841 census as Ropsell. I always use the soundex as have found them with all kinds of different variations. Joan B.C. Canada

I am wondering if these two names were once the same and how common they were around Romsey at the start of the 1800s. We have Thomas Russen who also seems to have been spelt Rufsen, Rufsell and Russell. Can anyone enlighten me as I am getting quite twixt muck. Thanks Pat We are here to change the world with small acts of thoughtfulness done daily rather than with one great breakthrough - Rabbi Harold Kushner Please consider the environment before printing this email.

Sorry I sticks on keyboard n should have read in. -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda & Tony Knight Sent: 03 March 2010 17:11 To: hampshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAM] A,BURROW Hello John We have come across ABURROW without the apostrophe n Hambledon area. Also seen with an S on the end or with a single R. Hope this helps,Linda & Tony For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk.

Hello John We have come across ABURROW without the apostrophe n Hambledon area. Also seen with an S on the end or with a single R. Hope this helps,Linda & Tony

I have just received the marriage certificate for Thomas Lock and Emily A'burrow 15 June 1907 at St James's Church, Portsea. Emily's surname is one that I have not come across before. A search of Free BMD brought up just two entries. Is it just possible that there has been a transcription error? John

John, Just drop the apostrophe from Aburrow or Arburrow. It is a well known Hampshire name. Regards, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Noakes" <j4nemail-hampshire@yahoo.co.uk> To: <hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:19 AM Subject: [HAM] A'burrow I have just received the marriage certificate for Thomas Lock and Emily A'burrow 15 June 1907 at St James's Church, Portsea. Emily's surname is one that I have not come across before. A search of Free BMD brought up just two entries. Is it just possible that there has been a transcription error? John For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not all bad news. For those that don't have a reference the charge is being significantly reduced. If you want a certificate and don't know the GRO reference wait until next month and save yourself 75p or £2.50 depending on whether you order online or offline. Jon Baker -----Original Message----- From: hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: 01 March 2010 17:30 To: Hampshire-L Subject: [HAM] Bad news from the GRO >From another site: Get your certificate orders in quickly the price is going up on April 6th, £7 to £9.25! http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1569.htm Edna - Ottawa For FREE online parish register transcriptions and other information visit www.knightroots.co.uk. Please trim ALL messages to a minimum & remove the footer as this is added automatically at the end of all messages. Thanks To subscribe or unsubscribe please send a message to hampshire-request@rootsweb.com with the appropriate subject header.Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From another site: Get your certificate orders in quickly the price is going up on April 6th, £7 to £9.25! http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1569.htm Edna - Ottawa

Hi List this is a ramble - please stick with it.........! Looking for James Beavington / Bevington born Highham Hants c1754 I have a settlement certificate for him in Wiltshire dated 1796 in which he says he is about 42 from Highham Hampshire via Walcott Somerset. There is a family with the name Bovington at Odiham. This includes a James son of John born 18th March 1753 Do you think that Odiham could sound like Higham to a Wiltshire ear ? Do you know if there is a place near Odiham that could be Higham ? Do you have access to the Odiham register - does it actually say Bovington and is there anything else on the entry ? I've been looking for a long time - any help gratefuly received.... Regards Sandra

Hi all, I am looking for a possible connection in the Hampshire area, especially for John , James and Thomas BURRY sons of David BURRY sen. The names listed below are the Children of David BURRY Sen.he was b. abt 1744 in Christchurch, d. abt 1818. in Greenspond, Newfoundland, Canada. Wife is unknown. There is a will for David dated 4th July 1815 CHILDREN John BURRY (NEW)  b. abt 1767 d.1833           ? Thomas BURRY        b. abt 1768 d.1846    married Mary  ? Mary BURRY (NEW)  b. abt 1769 d.           married Thomas GREEN in Christchurch, Hamp James BURRY (NEW)b. abt 1770 d.1842        ? George BURRY          b. abt 1771 d.1847        ? Rose BURRY (NEW)  b. abt 1773 d. ?         married Patrick BLACKMORE David BURRY             b. abt 1775 d.1852    married Susanna MATTHEWS Charles BURRY          b. abt1778  d.1825    married Elizabeth This is what I know about the above children John BURRY (NEW)  b. abt 1767 d.1833 He wrote a will 25 Nov.1833 He resided in Stanpit, Parish of Christchurch, Hampshire, England wife and family unknown Thomas BURRY        b. abt 1768 d.1846 Born in Greenspond, Newfoundland Thomas married Mary ____? in 1794, they had six children Mary BURRY (NEW)  b. abt 1769 d. ? Born in Greenspond, Newfoundland Mary married Thomas GREEN 1789 in Christchurch, Hampshire, England Thomas GREEN of Christchurch wrote a will the 29th Dec. 1818 They had  Twelve children James BURRY (NEW)b. abt 1770 d.1842 He was born in Newfoundland (taken from 1841 census image record for Hampshire) In 1833 James was living with John in Stanpit, Christchurch, Hampshire He is listed in 1841 census living in Stanpit, Parish of Christchurch, Hampshire.  James wrote a will 18 Feb. 1842 His death is registered for 1842 in Hampshire Unknown wife & children George BURRY      b. abt 1771 d.1847  He was born in Greenspond, Newfoundland unknown wife & children Rose BURRY (NEW)  b. abt 1773 d. ?   Born in Greenspond, Newfoundland Rose married Patrick Blackmore abt 1791 They had eight children David BURRY  Jr.    b. abt 1775 d.1852 Born in Greenspond, Newfoundland David married Susanna MATTHEWS They had seven children Charles BURRY          b. abt 1778  d.1825 Born in Greenspond, Newfoundland Charles married Elizabeth ___? abt 1800 They had one child We have four new names with sources added to this family. I'm hoping they will connect to someones database. Thank you to all for taking the time to read this information. Yours Renee BURRY Newfoundland, Canada