Hi Folks I have just uploaded 8444 Petersfield burials complete listing from 1558 to 1837. To be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html Marriages will be next, but baptisms will be a bit longer as I had an unforseen holdup and still have about 60 to 80 yrs to go. Good luck all, Lesley

Hi Carol, thankyou for your time. Yes this could possibly be the Charles I am looking for. Could you please give me the information you have on the BT's. Many Thanks Sue

Hello, I am new to the list and I am trying to link two families and I need help. James BARBER, Coastguard, b. West Wittering, SSX, m. Maria MONTGOMERY in West Wittering, 1870. In 1874 Amy Martha BARBER of Albert Road, Portsmouth married Maria MONTGOMERY's brother John MONTGOMERY in Portsea. Amy's father was George Thomas BARBER, a Policeman. Is anyone researching the Portsmouth Barbers who may know if the two BARBERS were related? Many thanks, Mike. --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Hi MaryMargaret, Your Prior names don't relate to my family.Mine were from Medstead,and East and West Meon going back to the early 1800,s. regards,Lynne. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Swifteam@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Froyle parish records-PRIOR > Dear Lynne, > > Any PRIOR names look familiar?? > > One of my ggggrandfather's (Thomas DICKSON of Prospect House Southampton) > daughters - Jemima married a Thomas MURRAY-PRIOR in Millbrook, Hants 27 Nov. > 1812. He was born in Rathdownery, Queens Ireland but seems to have lived in > Hampshire for some time as he died 19 Jul.1864 - Windsor Terrace, Southsea, > Hants. Two of their children Jemima Frances Sophia (born in Shirley, Hants) and > Louisa Elizabeth Catherine lived to old age - Louisa living part of the time > in Southsea. I do not believe Louisa PRIOR (she dropped the "MURRAY" at > some point) was ever married - do not know about Jemima. In letters Louisa > mentions her many neices & nephews in Australia but do not know if they were > children of her sister (Jemima PRIOR) or step-siblings - as her father had a 2nd > marriage (Elizabeth Skynner) and a son (Thomas Lodge MURRAY-PRIOR) from it > born (1819) & lived in Australia. His brother (unmarried) William Agustus > MURRAY-PRIOR was born in Belgium - 1821 and buried Portsmouth, Garrison Cemetery > Hamps. I know Louisa went by the single name PRIOR - not sure about the others. > Not even sure if it really was a hyphenated name - or only a middle name > which all family members used & was incorrectly written as a double name by a > LDS contributer. > > Any chance you know anything about this PRIOR family from your research? > > regards, > Mary Margaret > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > >

Hello Mike it appears that Amy was born in Portsmouth and James West Wittering Sussex and also a generation difference not that it matters. Hard to tell for sure unless James BARBER is related to George Thomas BARBER ie brothers as George appears to be born Hayling Island not many miles away. We will send some more info as we have BARBERs although related through marriage but the children further down are related) Some of the names are similar to yours. Kind regards Linda and Tony Hello, I am new to the list and I am trying to link two families and I need help. James BARBER, Coastguard, b. West Wittering, SSX, m. Maria MONTGOMERY in West Wittering, 1870. In 1874 Amy Martha BARBER of Albert Road, Portsmouth married Maria MONTGOMERY's brother John MONTGOMERY in Portsea. Amy's father was George Thomas BARBER, a Policeman. Is anyone researching the Portsmouth Barbers who may know if the two BARBERS were related? Many thanks, Mike.

Hi Sue, Could he have been born about 1809, there is a Charles bapt to William and Sarah Pink 8 Oct 1809. If you think this is him, I'll give you the rest from the Bishops Transcripts. Regards, Carol > >Dear List, Has anyone got access to the parish records of Preston Candover. > I am looking for the baptism of Charles Pink abt 1800. Can anyone help >please. > >many thanks, Sue > > > >

It was possible for boys to join from the age of 14, as a Bugler if they were of "good character" but could not go overseas until the age of nineteen. However many did and many were killed, some even executed under the British Army Act. including Northumberland Fusilier Herbert Burden, who enlisted at 16 and was 17 when he was executed (officially recorded as 19), Private E Young, a Canadian, Private Herbert Morris, a Jamaican, and Private Aby Bevistein, a Polish refugee who lied not only about his age but also about his name and nationality so he could fight for Britain. A few other examples of boys who served in WW 1.are 1. Private LEWIS served at the Somme when he was only twelve. 2. Private E. LUGG joined the 13th Royal Sussex Regiment at the age of thirteen. 3. John CORNWELL was only sixteen when he was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross for bravery. in the battle of Jutland while serving aboard HMS Chester 4. Victor SILVESTOR was born in 1900 and was fighting on the Western Front at fifteen. He was a member of a firing squad that shot four British soldiers sentenced to death for desertion and cowardice. Victor's parents suspected he had joined the army and informed the authorities in 1914 but it was not until he was wounded in 1917 that he was discovered and brought home to England. 5. George COPPARD was volunteered to join the British Army in August, 1914. Although only sixteen, he was accepted claiming he was three years older. He was sent to France in June, 1915 and fought in a number of engagements. . On 17th October, 1916, he was accidentally shot in the foot by one of his friends. and was suspected of arranging the accident with his friend Both men were eventually cleared of the charge but it was not until May, 1917, that he was able to return to the Western Front. Soon afterwards, he took part in the Third Battle of Arras and in October, 1917, was promoted to the rank of corporal. On 20th November, 1917, he took part in the Battle of Cambrai. He and other members of the Machine-Gun Corps followed 400 tanks across No Mans Land towards the German front-line. On the second day of the battle, he was seriously wounded by a German machine-gunner. The bullet severed the femoral artery and it was only the swift action of a lance-corporal that used his boot-laces as a tourniquet that saved his life. . 6.. James LOVEGROVE was only sixteen on the outbreak of the First World War but he came under pressure from members of the Order of the White Feather to join the armed forces. A member of the Royal North Lancashire Regiment, he was sent to the Western Front and took part in the Battle of the Somme. He survived and by the time the Armistice was signed, he had reached the rank of lieutenant. At the other extreme, one of mine in Canada volunteered in 1915 at the age of 52 claiming that he was 43. The following year he was killed at the Somme. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marine" <rm16460@btinternet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: [Ham] Proof of age > I would imagine with some form of national registration getting in the military under age in early WW2 might have been difficult, > however the age limit could not have applied to people already enlisted as one of the first casualties of the war was a 14 year old Boy Bugler of the Royal Marines, whose ship was sunk. > This also happened in WW1 as I have a 15 year old on my database > Not proof really that one had to give their age to join but in my database of 4464 RM > War casualties I have > Repulse 1x 18 years 1942 > Hood 2x 18 years 1941 > Fiji 1 x 14 years, 1 x 16 years 1940/41(Buglers) > Vanguard 2 x 18 years WW1 > Laurente 1 x 18 years 1917 > Indefatigable 1 x 18 years 1918 > Tannen II 1 x 18 years 1942 > 41 Commando Chosin Reservoirs Korea 1950 2 x 18 years > Colossus 1 x 15 years(Bugler) 1918 > Glenearn 1 x 18 years 1943 > 3 Commando Brigade 1 x 18 years)possible in Hong Kong or Malaya) 1947 > Wellesley 1 x 18 years 1941(Musician) > Barham 1 x 17 years(Bugler) 1941 he had only left Hood a few months before > A number of 18 year old in the RM Battalions in France 1917/1918 > Some of these lads must have been very close to the acceptable age for active service, when they died > Roger > Royal Marines > Member RMHS > Researching Copelin, Attrell, Reeves, Deacon & Pont > PS always want RM's to add to the database which is being collected for the RM Museum Archives > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >

I would imagine with some form of national registration getting in the military under age in early WW2 might have been difficult, however the age limit could not have applied to people already enlisted as one of the first casualties of the war was a 14 year old Boy Bugler of the Royal Marines, whose ship was sunk. This also happened in WW1 as I have a 15 year old on my database Not proof really that one had to give their age to join but in my database of 4464 RM War casualties I have Repulse 1x 18 years 1942 Hood 2x 18 years 1941 Fiji 1 x 14 years, 1 x 16 years 1940/41(Buglers) Vanguard 2 x 18 years WW1 Laurente 1 x 18 years 1917 Indefatigable 1 x 18 years 1918 Tannen II 1 x 18 years 1942 41 Commando Chosin Reservoirs Korea 1950 2 x 18 years Colossus 1 x 15 years(Bugler) 1918 Glenearn 1 x 18 years 1943 3 Commando Brigade 1 x 18 years)possible in Hong Kong or Malaya) 1947 Wellesley 1 x 18 years 1941(Musician) Barham 1 x 17 years(Bugler) 1941 he had only left Hood a few months before A number of 18 year old in the RM Battalions in France 1917/1918 Some of these lads must have been very close to the acceptable age for active service, when they died Roger Royal Marines Member RMHS Researching Copelin, Attrell, Reeves, Deacon & Pont PS always want RM's to add to the database which is being collected for the RM Museum Archives

Hi, All. Slowly tracking down possible living cousin in UK. Sometime before 1951 NORA TOMS married BERT, probably in Portsmouth/Cosham/Drayton area. Sometime between 1951 and 1964, I believe this couple had a daughter, RUTH. I don't know the married name of NORA (Bert's surname). If this rings any bells, please email me! - Kathy Tate Anderson

Dear List, Has anyone got access to the parish records of Preston Candover. I am looking for the baptism of Charles Pink abt 1800. Can anyone help please. many thanks, Sue

Hi Tony and Linda I know my wife's uncle charlie Albray put his age on when he entered the army. When he died in 1947, his age reflected how many years he had added, as the military records said he was 30. On his headstone though, his wife gave the correct age of 27. As he was born in 1919, I'd imagine he joined the army quite close to the beginning of WW2. I don't think I have his enrollment papers to know exactly when he joined though. Regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05

Hi Folks, I have the pleasure in offering you a new resource. This will be up and running by tomorrow, on the Hampshire Lookup Exchange Page. Until then here is the web site which explains what is on offer much better than I! Willis Fleming Historical Trust http://www.willisfleming.org.uk/ The Willis Fleming Historical Trust would like to offer look-ups in the rent rolls of tenants of the Fleming Estates in Hants and the IoW. The Fleming Estates were very extensive and included the parishes of North Stoneham,Chilworth, Romsey Extra, Romsey Infra, Binstead (IoW), Arreton, and Newchurch. All queries are to be adressed to :- history@willisfleming.org.uk <mailto:history@willisfleming.org.uk> Good luck and I hope you find something of interest in these pages. Regards, Carol

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Dolton" <caroldolton@madasafish.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: [Ham] Re: HAMPSHIRE-D Digest V05 #298 > For the marriage it says all that you have on the Bishops Transcripts, > but also that > Richard Aubrey Veck is of Bishops Waltham. Thank you ever so much Carol, I really appreciate it. Kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05

Hi All, For the marriage it says all that you have on the Bishops Transcripts, but also that Richard Aubrey Veck is of Bishops Waltham. Good luck, Regards, Carol >Richard Aubrey Veck and Elizabeth Bulpett >Marriage April 22, 1784 Old Alresford > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: [Ham] Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Does anyone hav any suggestions? no matter how much the Vicar liked her dumplings, there would probably not have been room at the vicarage." I've just composed myself enough to reply, and thank you for your very informative email! I wonder what Mrs Veck thought of Elizabeth's dumplings? Maybe a tad jealous? cheers both, Tony and Linda that is .. not the dumpli...... oh never mind, thanks! Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05

Sorry, in my previous email, it should have read that Ann Harvey b1864 was living with her brother ELISHA Harvey, not William Harvey. Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05

Hi listers, I have details of a "family" in the 1861 census, but I'm somewhat bemused by the fact that the "family" is split in three. the widowed mother, Elizabeth harvey, is working as a cook at St John's vicarage, Forton, Gosport, while 3 of her children aged 10 (Charlotte), 8 (George) and 5 (William), are at the South Stoneham Union workhouse. A 4th child, aged 12 (Elisha), is living with an aunt at Millbrook, Southampton. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this may have been the case? In 1864 and 1868, Elizabeth has 2 more children, and in 1871is recorded as Elizabeth Hardy, wife of Charles Hardy. There is no sign of the daughter Ann born 1864, only amelia born 1868. Ann is found with her brother William in the 1881 census though. This all seems like a very odd set of circumstances to me, so any suggestions that may explain all this would be gratefully appreciated. regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05

Sorry Tony and Linda, thanks for your reply though. regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05

Linda and Tony: Your question might best be answered on a national basis as the requirements probably varied. My father joined the Royal Canadian Air Force in 1940 before he was 18 although 18 was the required enlistment age. He stalled production of his birth certificate for several months until after he had actually passed his 18th birthday. Not sure if that is a yes or a no . . . :) In any case there were not serious repercussions after the fact. There seem to have been many like him who managed to avoid the age constraint. Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida Knightroots@aol.com wrote: >Hello all >does anyone know whether when someone joined up in WW2 whether they had to >prove their age or not with some form of ID? >Linda and Tony > > >==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > >

Hi tony & Linda Thank you ever so much for those lookups, they are very much appreciated. Could I possibly trouble you for another please? It's the marriage of Richard Aubrey Veck and Elizabeth bulpett at Old Alresford, April 22, 1784. Many thanks once again, kind regards, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/05