We have a couple that wre married in 1860's. Whilst husband was away at sea took a lodger The lodger and the female concerned had an affair and she 2 children by in early 1870's and during the pregnancy of 2nd child married having divorced first husband or via versa. The marriage entry for the 2nd marriage stated clearly on the entry formerly X previously married to X divorced and no sign of any wealth has shown up here. Just another spanner in the works.. Linda and Tony

People in Boscombe in 1877 to 1879 went to St Clement Church Bournemouth which started in 1871. That is what I meant to say in previous email. sorry if it did not come out right. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Alan McGowan [mailto:mcgoa@lineone.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:46 AM To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ham] Boscombe Andy, <snip>You are interested in baptisms and burials for Boscombe in 1877-79, but the parish registers of Boscombe St John the Evangelist do not start until 1891 (baptisms), 1895 (marriages), and 1951 (burials). Alan McGowan ______________________________

thanks to everyone who replied on this subject. I've thought about it some more and there could be another reason why she called herself widowed. I'll paint the picture as I'm currently aware of it. I'll just use the year rather than exact dates for ease. In 1825, George Parsons who was aboard HMS ?? married Elizabeth childs at St Marys, Portsea. so far, I have only been able to find 2 children, Elizabeth b1832/d1832, and Sarah Jane b1835, both girls born in fareham. In 1843, Elizabeth had another daughter, Rhoda, the father being George Allberry and Elizabeth's surname was Parsons on Rhoda's birth certificate. rhoda was chr with the surname Aubrey. Elizabeth had a son James in 1846, surname spelled as Aldbury, and this time Elizabeth's surname matched George's. James was chr with the surname Aubrey. So it would appear that George and Elizabeth were married between 1843 and 1846, although there's not a sign of a marriage anywhere. Neither is there a sign of George Parsons' death, could he have been lost at sea, presumed dead? Did Elizabeth simply take on George's surname as she couldn't marry him because she couldn't prove her husband was dead? In 1847 another son is born, Henry, surname spelled Aubery, and he was to become my wife's great grandfather. In 1851 the family name appears as Allbray on the census for Fareham, and George is alive and well working as a labourer. In 1858 Henry was chr at St Johns, Forton, gosport with the surname Albury. his father George is recorded as a labourer from Fareham, with no mention of him being deceased. There appears to be almost a year's discrpancy with regards Henry's date of birth, the chr details saying Dec 4 1848, and Dec 17 1847 on his birth certificate. In 1861 Elizabeth shows up at Gosport with the surname of williams, and she is recorded as a widow. All 3 children, Rhoda, James and Henry also have the Williams surname. there is no record yet found of a marriage between an Elizabeth Childs/Parsons/Albray (or variant) and someone by the name of Williams, although on her death certificate in 1887, Elizabeth is recorded as the widow of the late Genge Williams. I can't find any trace on him either! In 1868 Rhoda married henry Hawkins, and her father is recorded as George Albray, again no mention of him being deceased. In 1871 Henry married Charlotte Harvey, and this is the first time that George albray is recorded as deceased. From 1843 through to 1858, george was always recorded as a labourer, but on Henry's marriage certificate he was recorded as a seaman. I've thought about the possiblity of George Parsons and George albray being the same person, and even maybe Genge Williams, but, if that is the case, why would Rhoda's birth certificate have her parents as George Allberry and Elizabeth Parsons? Did george albray just disappear off the scene between 1858 and 1861, and Elizabeth decide to change her surname for some reason, and if so who on earth is Genge Williams? did the widow comment refer to George Parsons, not george albray? So many questions, and yet, so far, not a single answer. If anyone has picked up any possible senarios after reading this, I'd love to hear from them, before I totally lose my mind! lol Kind regards to everyone, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/05

I have seen divorced people mark widowed. I have even seen it on local land records. Divorce carried such a stigma with it. Rebekah Iowa, US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Hi, I would it she would be marked Divorced. Very few women divorced and those that did were rich. Edna - Ottawa

Could anyone please help with baptism or birth details for any of the following children of Thomas & Mary Ann GARDNER: Eliza Ellen GARDNER b.1860 Portsea Arthur Henry GARDNER b.1863 Portsea James Thomas GARDNER b.1867 Portsea Annie Maria GARDNER b.1870 Portsea Rose Hannah GARDNER b.1872 Portsmouth Ada Mary GARDNER b.1875 Portsmouth Albert Edward GARDNER b.1877 Portsmouth Lillie Louisa GARDNER b. 1879 Soberton or Portsmouth Best wishes, Alan Siddorn

Hi, I would it she would be marked Divorced. Very few women divorced and those that did were rich. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] A Question - divorce / Widowed Hi everyone, a thought has just crossed my mind. If, for example, a wife had divorced her husband in 1859, and never remarried, what would she have been recorded as on the 1861 census? Widow? I've not come across "divorced" on a census as yet. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/05 ==== ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Mailing List ==== Granny SMITHs aren't just the name of an apple they are in many a family tree too ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi, A friend of mine wishes to inform you that she, Liz Newbery, is transcribing the complete list of Cornwall's Constabulary from its inception in 1857 - 1967 and that there are several men from Hampshire and IOW, who moved to Cornwall in the 1850s and are on the list. If you see a name you recognise and want to see full details, you should click on the E-mail address and send her details of the names and pages and she'll give full details. She can't do anything without the page number...people are already driving her mad because they think she can look up a name...she can't, there are almost 200 pages to transcribe, about 12 pages and names are being added weekly. They can either go to her index page www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery or direct to http://www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery/police.htm liz.newbery@bigfoot.com ----- Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

I found an Emma Crooks on familysearch.org but this Emma is about 29 years old. This may be some kinfolks. pat, US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: [Ham] Emma CROOKs b. 1850 IOW > Hi, Would someone take a look at 1851 Census for an Emma CROOKs > b. 1850 IOW. She would be about one year old. > > Thanks kindly, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. > >

Hi, Would someone take a look at 1851 Census for an Emma CROOKs b. 1850 IOW. She would be about one year old. Thanks kindly, Edna - Ottawa

John and Jean WATERMAN had a son Joseph baptised in Milton on 8 feb 1732/3. They had other children baptised in Milton, William in 1735, and Thomas in 1738. It is possible Jean died before 1746 when a John W married Ann Row in Milton, by banns. John probably had a brother William who married Mary and they had children baptised in Milton, William 1733/4, a second William 1736, and Mary 1738. John, a labourer, died in 1752 and was buried in Milton on december 12. Joseph W married Mary and they had five children baptised in Milton, John 1759, William 1761, Thomas 5 august 1764, Jane 1766, and James 1769. Thomas married Francis Derham in Hordle in 1793 and they had a daughter Mary in 1793. If anyone knows these people, I would be happy to exchange information. Richard __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hi, All PCC wills for the period of 1384-1858 are now available to download (at a cost of L3.(?) each) from this site provided by The National Archives. www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Hi Pat, I found these details on the IGI website at http://www.familysearch.org I don't know how accurate the details are, the info below was collected together from about 8 entries, some had parish reference details and others were obviously personal records. Marriage of Thomas Sparks and Joan Davis at Fareham Parish, Hampshire, England October 19, 1635 Children: John Sparks, born about 1636, England. Francis Sparks, born about 1638, England. William Sr. Sparks, born about 1840 at Fareham parish, Hampshire, died about 1709 at queen annes, Maryland. England Richard Sparks, born about 1642, England. Kind regards, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda & Tony" <bestcover@lineone.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:42 AM Subject: [Ham] FW: ancestor info > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Ray [mailto:rray4@carolina.rr.com] > Sent: 17 August 2005 04:12 > To: hampshire-d-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: ancestor info > > Please send me any information about the 1600's Fareham Parish and the > Sparks surname. Anything will be greatly appreciated. > Thank You > Pat Ray > Salisbury, North Carolina > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/05

-----Original Message----- From: Pat Ray [mailto:rray4@carolina.rr.com] Sent: 17 August 2005 04:09 To: hampshire-l-request@rootsweb.com Subject: about ancestors Yes my ancestors came from this county and a place called Fareham Parish around the 1600's. They were Thomas Sparks and Joanne Davis. I do not know what to ask for but any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Pat Ray Salisbury, North Carolina

-----Original Message----- From: Pat Ray [mailto:rray4@carolina.rr.com] Sent: 17 August 2005 04:12 To: hampshire-d-request@rootsweb.com Subject: ancestor info Please send me any information about the 1600's Fareham Parish and the Sparks surname. Anything will be greatly appreciated. Thank You Pat Ray Salisbury, North Carolina

Jon, thank you so much. This is just what I was looking for. One son did go to Maryland and from there to North Carolina, went descendents. Sincerely, Pat Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "J P NIXEY" <jpnixey@btinternet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:21 AM Subject: [Ham] re: Thomas Sparks and Joan Davis > Hi Pat, > > I found these details on the IGI website at http://www.familysearch.org > I don't know how accurate the details are, the info below was collected > together from about 8 entries, some had parish reference details and > others > were obviously personal records. > > Marriage of Thomas Sparks and Joan Davis at Fareham Parish, Hampshire, > England > October 19, 1635 > > Children: > John Sparks, born about 1636, England. > Francis Sparks, born about 1638, England. > William Sr. Sparks, born about 1840 at Fareham parish, Hampshire, died > about > 1709 at queen annes, Maryland. England > Richard Sparks, born about 1642, England. > > Kind regards, > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda & Tony" <bestcover@lineone.net> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:42 AM > Subject: [Ham] FW: ancestor info > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Ray [mailto:rray4@carolina.rr.com] >> Sent: 17 August 2005 04:12 >> To: hampshire-d-request@rootsweb.com >> Subject: ancestor info >> >> Please send me any information about the 1600's Fareham Parish and the >> Sparks surname. Anything will be greatly appreciated. >> Thank You >> Pat Ray >> Salisbury, North Carolina >> >> >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T >> SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/05 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/05 > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > >

Hi Allan Thanks for that, I have the fiche from the Hearleian Society plus the supplement but this marriage is not included Page/Itm Date G Names G SURNAMES G Notes G Father/Occ B Names B SURNAMES B Notes B Father/Occ Method Off Minister Witnesses Source 19-3 02 Jul 1760 Robt. CHALCRAFT Petersfield Mary POWELL Petersfield Lic by Richd.Chase, Curate John Page - John Newland 287 P4 It would be wonderful if you could help thanks Lesley Please visit my website:- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan McGowan" <mcgoa@lineone.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Marriage Licence source > Marriage licences for Hampshire parishes (and others) could also be issued > by the Faculty Office or by the Vicar General. For details, see Jeremy > Gibson's guide to Bishops' Transcripts and Marriage Licences. > > Many of the Faculty Office and Vicar General licences are indexed on the > pay-per-view site British Origins. If you are looking for a particular > entry, I may be able to help. > > Alan McGowan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley C. Potter" <lesleychristine@iprimus.com.au> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:36 PM > Subject: [Ham] Marriage Licence source > > Hi folks > > I have a marriage in 1760 that was by licence, but is not listed in the > Harleian Society allegations for marriage Licences, > does anyone know if there is another source. > > Many thanks > Lesley > > Please visit my website:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. >

Hi Allan Thanks for that, I have the fiche from the Hearleian Society plus the supplement but this marriage is not included Page/Itm Date G Names G SURNAMES G Notes G Father/Occ B Names B SURNAMES B Notes B Father/Occ Method Off Minister Witnesses Source 19-3 02 Jul 1760 Robt. CHALCRAFT Petersfield Mary POWELL Petersfield Lic by Richd.Chase, Curate John Page - John Newland 287 P4 It would be wonderful if you could help thanks Lesley Please visit my website:- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan McGowan" <mcgoa@lineone.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Marriage Licence source > Marriage licences for Hampshire parishes (and others) could also be issued > by the Faculty Office or by the Vicar General. For details, see Jeremy > Gibson's guide to Bishops' Transcripts and Marriage Licences. > > Many of the Faculty Office and Vicar General licences are indexed on the > pay-per-view site British Origins. If you are looking for a particular > entry, I may be able to help. > > Alan McGowan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley C. Potter" <lesleychristine@iprimus.com.au> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:36 PM > Subject: [Ham] Marriage Licence source > > Hi folks > > I have a marriage in 1760 that was by licence, but is not listed in the > Harleian Society allegations for marriage Licences, > does anyone know if there is another source. > > Many thanks > Lesley > > Please visit my website:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. >

Hi folks I have a marriage in 1760 that was by licence, but is not listed in the Harleian Society allegations for marriage Licences, does anyone know if there is another source. Many thanks Lesley Please visit my website:- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html

Thanks to everyone who replied. Jean reminded me to look at the list of Parish Registers for Dorset where I found this Boscombe St John (formerly part of Bournemouth St Clement) So thanks again Andy

Marriage licences for Hampshire parishes (and others) could also be issued by the Faculty Office or by the Vicar General. For details, see Jeremy Gibson's guide to Bishops' Transcripts and Marriage Licences. Many of the Faculty Office and Vicar General licences are indexed on the pay-per-view site British Origins. If you are looking for a particular entry, I may be able to help. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley C. Potter" <lesleychristine@iprimus.com.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [Ham] Marriage Licence source Hi folks I have a marriage in 1760 that was by licence, but is not listed in the Harleian Society allegations for marriage Licences, does anyone know if there is another source. Many thanks Lesley Please visit my website:- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buriton/index.html