Maybe that's why when I married my first husband the vicar said he couldn't marry us if he was drunk!!! (My husband that is, not the vicar) Cyndi in Leighton Buzzard, Beds UK So much to learn, so little time ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Mallyon To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Hampshire Strays Hi David, The Basingstoke Group of the Hampshire Genealogical Society had a Speaker from the Basingstoke Library, he was very informative and did not give any stats on literacy. Some brides and grooms celebrated their wedding in the local pub before they were wed, some of them could read and or write their own signature, when it came to the signing of the Marriage Certificate they were too drunk. Visiting the local pub and being enumerated before a marriage ceremony, was the vicar taking the ceremony, this often happened and what a mess up he made of the Marriage Certificates, I have 5 of them to prove it.. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> Cc: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Hampshire Strays | Hi Barbara, | I was interested in your reference to Libraries. Do you | have stats on the literacy rate in the Victorian era? Many of my family's | marriage certificate were still being signed with a mark. Was there a | difference between the literacy rate in rural areas and urban areas? | | David | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> | To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 AM | Subject: [Ham] Hampshire Strays | | | > Hello All, | > | > The 1861 Census Index for Guildford, Surrey shows that almost 50% of the | > people living and working in Guildford were not people not born in | > Guildford. There were even more people that came to Guildford from Sussex | > than from Hampshire, they came from all of the home counties, Kent, | > Berkshire, Wiltshire, and other places. | > | > There was a lot of work for them, the River Wey had warehouse along its | > bank, building work, the town was growing, there was also a printing | works, | > books etc. | > | > Winchester was one of the first libraries to open under the 1850, Act with | > Reading Rooms. Books were becoming popular, people could borrow a book | from | > the library for one penny, this gave the printing works plenty of work. | > | > Regards | > | > Barbara Lewis Mallyon | > Basingstoke, Hants, UK | > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk | > | > | > | > | > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect | > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk | > | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers"

Hi David, The Basingstoke Group of the Hampshire Genealogical Society had a Speaker from the Basingstoke Library, he was very informative and did not give any stats on literacy. Some brides and grooms celebrated their wedding in the local pub before they were wed, some of them could read and or write their own signature, when it came to the signing of the Marriage Certificate they were too drunk. Visiting the local pub and being enumerated before a marriage ceremony, was the vicar taking the ceremony, this often happened and what a mess up he made of the Marriage Certificates, I have 5 of them to prove it.. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> Cc: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Hampshire Strays | Hi Barbara, | I was interested in your reference to Libraries. Do you | have stats on the literacy rate in the Victorian era? Many of my family's | marriage certificate were still being signed with a mark. Was there a | difference between the literacy rate in rural areas and urban areas? | | David | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> | To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 AM | Subject: [Ham] Hampshire Strays | | | > Hello All, | > | > The 1861 Census Index for Guildford, Surrey shows that almost 50% of the | > people living and working in Guildford were not people not born in | > Guildford. There were even more people that came to Guildford from Sussex | > than from Hampshire, they came from all of the home counties, Kent, | > Berkshire, Wiltshire, and other places. | > | > There was a lot of work for them, the River Wey had warehouse along its | > bank, building work, the town was growing, there was also a printing | works, | > books etc. | > | > Winchester was one of the first libraries to open under the 1850, Act with | > Reading Rooms. Books were becoming popular, people could borrow a book | from | > the library for one penny, this gave the printing works plenty of work. | > | > Regards | > | > Barbara Lewis Mallyon | > Basingstoke, Hants, UK | > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk | > | > | > | > | > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect | > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk | > | |

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Hi Barbara, I was interested in your reference to Libraries. Do you have stats on the literacy rate in the Victorian era? Many of my family's marriage certificate were still being signed with a mark. Was there a difference between the literacy rate in rural areas and urban areas? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: [Ham] Hampshire Strays > Hello All, > > The 1861 Census Index for Guildford, Surrey shows that almost 50% of the > people living and working in Guildford were not people not born in > Guildford. There were even more people that came to Guildford from Sussex > than from Hampshire, they came from all of the home counties, Kent, > Berkshire, Wiltshire, and other places. > > There was a lot of work for them, the River Wey had warehouse along its > bank, building work, the town was growing, there was also a printing works, > books etc. > > Winchester was one of the first libraries to open under the 1850, Act with > Reading Rooms. Books were becoming popular, people could borrow a book from > the library for one penny, this gave the printing works plenty of work. > > Regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants, UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >

Hi Jean in Trenton, So happy it helped. Hope you thanked our good gene- pal, Liz Newbery. All the best, Edna - sunny Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & Hugh Snider" <jhsnider@sympatico.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Cornwall's Constabulary containing men from Hampshire & IOW Edna, Thank you so much for posting this information, you have enabled me to fill in a missing gap on my family tree. Kind regards, Jean (Trenton) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: [Ham] Cornwall's Constabulary containing men from Hampshire & IOW > Hi, A friend of mine wishes to inform you > > that she, Liz Newbery, is transcribing the complete list of Cornwall's > Constabulary from its inception in 1857 - 1967 and that there are several > men from Hampshire and IOW, who moved to Cornwall in the 1850s and are on > the list. If you see a name you recognise and want to see full details, > you should click on the E-mail address and send her details of the names > and pages and she'll give full details. She can't do anything without > the page number...people are already driving her mad because they think > she can look up a name...she can't, there are almost 200 pages to > transcribe, about 12 pages and names are being added weekly. They can > either go to her index page www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery or direct to > http://www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery/police.htm > liz.newbery@bigfoot.com > ----- > > Cheers, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > also Hampshire Look up Exchange at > http://members.madasafish.com/~caroldolton/index.htm > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on

Edna, Thank you so much for posting this information, you have enabled me to fill in a missing gap on my family tree. Kind regards, Jean (Trenton) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: [Ham] Cornwall's Constabulary containing men from Hampshire & IOW > Hi, A friend of mine wishes to inform you > > that she, Liz Newbery, is transcribing the complete list of Cornwall's > Constabulary from its inception in 1857 - 1967 and that there are several > men from Hampshire and IOW, who moved to Cornwall in the 1850s and are on > the list. If you see a name you recognise and want to see full details, > you should click on the E-mail address and send her details of the names > and pages and she'll give full details. She can't do anything without > the page number...people are already driving her mad because they think > she can look up a name...she can't, there are almost 200 pages to > transcribe, about 12 pages and names are being added weekly. They can > either go to her index page www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery or direct to > http://www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery/police.htm > liz.newbery@bigfoot.com > ----- > > Cheers, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > also Hampshire Look up Exchange at > http://members.madasafish.com/~caroldolton/index.htm >

Thanks Linda and Tony for stories from "A History of The Hampshire & Isle of Wight Constabulary". Of course, you will not find any of my good people in there! Edna ~ (;-))ttawa ---- More from "A History of The Hampshire & Isle of Wight Constabulary 1839-1966" Aldershot 1906 - Sergeant Eades and Constable Pope were highly commended for their "praiseworthy perseverance" in tracing a horse, cart and harness stolen from Aldershot. The officers continued their enquiries on bicycles for several days "finally arresting the thieves and recovering the stolen property at Birmingham" Meonstoke - June 1899 - First Class Constable Jennings was "commended for his prompt action in a case of larceny. He had traced the 2 men responsible on his bicycle and arrested them at Guildford with the stolen property in their posession" Broughton (year not stated but in 1865-1890 section) - Constable Meacham "who had brought discredit on the Force by joining in a party given by dishonest servants in their employers house at Broughton. This sordid carouse had not broken up until 4am. Far from protecting poperty, more especially in the absence of the owner, Meacham had assisted in misusing it. He was dismissed the service and in addition, fined a weeks pay"

Hi everybody Just wondered if one of you can help me with this little conundrum By way of background I should start by saying that a William Trusler married a Mary Ann Goddard formerly Jacobs in Salisbury on 23 Jan 1861. It is the Mary Ann JACOBS /GODDARD who I am interested in. As far as we can tell, Mary Ann Jacobs was born about 1816 in Romsey, Hants. We have not been able to find a record of any marriage to a Mr Goddard but we do know that on the 1861 Census she was living in Salisbury with her new husband (William Trusler) and her son John Goddard who was shown as a 20 year old Fisherman, ie born circa 1841. Does anyone have a Mary Ann Jacobs in their tree who might have married a Mr Goddard, say, around about or before 1841? Waiting with interest. Peter Jones

More from "A History of The Hampshire & Isle of Wight Constabulary 1839-1966" Aldershot 1906 - Sergeant Eades and Constable Pope were highly commended for their "praiseworthy perseverance" in tracing a horse, cart and harness stolen from Aldershot. The officers continued their enquiries on bicycles for several days "finally arresting the thieves and recovering the stolen property at Birmingham" Meonstoke - June 1899 - First Class Constable Jennings was "commended for his prompt action in a case of larceny. He had traced the 2 men responsible on his bicycle and arrested them at Guildford with the stolen property in their posession" Broughton (year not stated but in 1865-1890 section) - Constable Meacham "who had brought discredit on the Force by joining in a party given by dishonest servants in their employers house at Broughton. This sordid carouse had not broken up until 4am. Far from protecting poperty, more especially in the absence of the owner, Meacham had assisted in misusing it. He was dismissed the service and in addition, fined a weeks pay"

More from "A History of The Hampshire & Isle of Wight Constabulary 1839-1966" Fareham - May 1881 - A disturbance broke out in "The Vulcan" public house and when PC James entered, "he was set upon by 3 sailors who beat him up and took his truncheon" Linda & Tony

we have just come across batch no C091301 in Dorset but it refers to Forton by Alverstoke baptists. Ignore the warning about the fact it could refer to several locations or something like that and just click ok. You might just find some of your missing rellies amongst the 144 people located there. Good luck anyway,Linda and Tony

We recently purchased a second hand copy of "A History of The Hampshire & Isle of Wight Constabulary 1839-1966" It is not indexed by name and so we cannot do look ups - however, some of the incidents may be of interest to listers. January 1879 - Gosport - Sgt Gibson was reprimanded for not investigating a complaint of drunken brawling in a pub "but through idleness sent only a 3rd class constable to clear the tavern and manage two drunken men on his own" October 1880 - Ventnor - Sgt Lowe was admonished to display more zeal and activity in the discharge of his duty. A gipsy encampmment on New Down, Ventnor had to be removed and the sergeant " in place of dealing with this difficult and troublesome duty himself merely sent a 2nd class constable thus avoiding a very unpleasant duty on a very wet morning"

However, not all census recorders followed the instructions. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [Ham] 1841 Census > 1841 Census ages: > Under 15 as it is stated, and the rest down to the nearest five. > > For me that's a great idea! > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005

Just accessed this at 19.30 BST Jim http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [Ham] LDS Batch Nos > Hi, Been trying to do some work with Batch Nos. > Is there anything wrong with the LDS site > www.familysearch.org/ ? > > Thanks, > > Edna Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > also Hampshire Look up Exchange at > http://members.madasafish.com/~caroldolton/index.htm > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005

Hi, Any one looking for a marriage of Samuel Clift and Ellen Urry? Edna - Ottawa

Hi Jim, I have noticed that. Thanks kindly, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Parsons" <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] 1841 Census However, not all census recorders followed the instructions. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [Ham] 1841 Census > 1841 Census ages: > Under 15 as it is stated, and the rest down to the nearest five. > > For me that's a great idea! > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE LIST!

Hello All, The 1861 Census Index for Guildford, Surrey shows that almost 50% of the people living and working in Guildford were not people not born in Guildford. There were even more people that came to Guildford from Sussex than from Hampshire, they came from all of the home counties, Kent, Berkshire, Wiltshire, and other places. There was a lot of work for them, the River Wey had warehouse along its bank, building work, the town was growing, there was also a printing works, books etc. Winchester was one of the first libraries to open under the 1850, Act with Reading Rooms. Books were becoming popular, people could borrow a book from the library for one penny, this gave the printing works plenty of work. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hi, Been trying to do some work with Batch Nos. Is there anything wrong with the LDS site www.familysearch.org/ ? Thanks, Edna Ottawa

Hi, As far as I know the 1841 was the only Census rounded down. I think it led to more confusion than anything else. Edna - Ottawa