In our last email, we mentioned the strange customs and beliefs from time to time. Whilst we will not go into the gypsy customs - at least not on list ;-) , it is worth mentioning that in the 1700's, it was believed that marriage by a woman in a state of nudity or wearing only a chemise, exempted her husband from the payment of her debts. mmmmmm Linda & Tony

We have a book on worldwide marriage rituals and thought an explanation of the infamous "Fleet Marriages" may be of interest to all regardless of county interests. The Fleet in question has nothing to do with the navy but is in fact the Fleet Prison in London. Prior to Hardwickes marriage act, it was not necessary to have a 3 times reading of the banns and so clandestine marriages took place. Although there was a fine of GBP100 on clergy solemnising clandestine marriages, this was of little deterrent to a number of disreputable parsons who set up an open all hours marriage shop where for a fee, they would undertake a quick wedding ceremony without delay and without banns. The odd thing is that these weddings were legal and solemly binding. The book goes on to state "sometimes these farcical marriages were celebrated in adjacent taverns and both parsons and tavern keepers employed touts to solicit custom. If a couple appeared arm in arm, it was taken for granted they intended to marry and they were likely to be carried off by force and married.Next to the prison was a sign - marriages performed within - and the parson could be seen - a squalid profligate figure, clad in a tattered plaid nightgown and ready to couple you for a dram of gin or a roll of tobacco" Take care (especially if walking arm in arm in Fleet St) Linda & Tony

Hi Folks The weekend Sat 10th & 11th Sept is an idea opportunity to find out more about your local area, or travel to the place you're researching. Its the National Heritage Weekend when many of our old buildings are open [some normally shut to the public] To find out more check out link below and choose a County _http://www.heritageopendays.org/ed/counties.shtml_ (http://www.heritageopendays.org/ed/counties.shtml) Take care Linda & Tony

Hi Brenda, I looked in the census index for Hartley Wintney and she is not there. Incidentally I also looked in Bramshill, Elvetham, Eversley, Greywell, Heckfield, Rotherwick, South Warnborough and Winchfield, they were all on the same fiche. She is not there either, Sorry I couldn't help. Regards, Carol > > Subject: > DUFFEY > From: > "Brenda" <breder@bigpond.net.au> > Date: > Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:43:02 -0700 > To: > HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Could SKS who has access to the 1851 census please do a lookup for me. I am looking for Eliza Duffey born about 1831 Woolwich. I believe she may have been living in the Hartley Wintney or Hartleyrow area. > >Brenda - Australia > > > >

Could SKS who has access to the 1851 census please do a lookup for me. I am looking for Eliza Duffey born about 1831 Woolwich. I believe she may have been living in the Hartley Wintney or Hartleyrow area. Brenda - Australia

Good Day, My friend Liz has found the following, please reply to her. Edna - Ottawa >>>>>>>>>> PC83 Simpson William 23 9 1862 Alton, Hampshire Inspector Barnes George 19 5 1857 Christchurch, Hampshire Superintendent Miller Henry 27 4 1857 Christchurch, Hampshire Sergeant Marshall Edward 18 9 1857 Christchurch, Hants PC41 Plowman Joseph 7 9 1857 Christchurch, Hants PC95 Reed George 5 8 1857 Christchurch, Hants PC71 Shave William 1 8 1857 Christchurch, Hants Superintendent Complin Henry 11 9 1857 Hampshire Superintendent Stephens Alfred 14 2 1857 Isle of Wight These are the Hampshire Police that Liz Newbery has transcribed so far who've moved down to Cornwall. Anyone needing more info needs to go to her site and send her the full details including...MOST IMPORTANT...the page number! www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery Penzance Transcribing Cornwall Constabulary 1857 - 1967 www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery/police.htm

Well looks like the _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) site is ok again this morning Pat and all just a blip for maintenance perhaps. Linda and Tony

No Pat we are not LDS but are list Admin for the Hampshire list so thought as we had noticed it was under maintenance we would mention it in case someone hadn't noticed and was trying for ages without success. Hope it hels,Linda and Tony Thanks for the information. Are you folks LDS? Pat

My husband has an ancestor who was working in London in 1891 as a servant and she was from Rutland so people would travel distances at that time. By then much of the country had railway links. We also have someone from Lincolnshire who remarried in Farnborough then moved back to Lincolnshire. Hilary -----Original Message----- From: Tony & Barb Fisher [mailto:tbfisher@ripnet.com] Sent: 27 August 2005 13:15 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had trouble tracing back. I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought that she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, Cambridgeshire as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 they are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think that she might be from there instead. Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's ???? Many thanks. Tony Fisher E. Ontario, CANADA Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, Harting, Iping) ______________________________

Thanks for the information. Are you folks LDS? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: [Ham] IGI > Just in case we have noticed that www.familysearch.org and IGI is > unsearchable due to maintenance. > Linda and Tony > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > >

Thanks folks, I just noticed.... With appreciation, Edna - dark Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: [Ham] IGI Just in case we have noticed that www.familysearch.org and IGI is unsearchable due to maintenance. Linda and Tony ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be!

Just in case we have noticed that www.familysearch.org and IGI is unsearchable due to maintenance. Linda and Tony

Hi Tony, Your BRIDGER (Elsted) is Elstead, Surrey, where there are BRIDGER families also in Dunsfold and local villages. The same area there are DUKE familes in the same area. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Barb Fisher" <tbfisher@ripnet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: [Ham] Re: CHRISTMAS | I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had | trouble tracing back. | | I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & | residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought that | she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, Cambridgeshire | as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. | | In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 they | are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such | I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to | travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. | | Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think | that she might be from there instead. | | Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's | ???? | | Many thanks. | | Tony Fisher | E. Ontario, CANADA | | Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), | PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) | West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, | Harting, Iping) | | | | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk | |

A CHRISTMAS one-name study is being conducted by Henry Christmas. Details are in the Registered Names at www.one-name.org Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: [Ham] CHRISTMASes Hello Ray they ae rare books and as such aren't online. The Hampshire ones were published/completed in 1910 and took around 10 years to write. Hampshire one consists of 5 volumes each approx 4" thick. We will see what we can find on CHRISTMAS but could take a little time to check as dotted around. Kind regards Linda and Tony

Dear both of you, I had, on my previous visits to UK consulted thoroughly the Victoria History of Surrey for the CHRISTMAS families. I learnt too late before my return to New Zealand that the CHRISTMASes probably came out of HANTS, in particular from ITCHEN ABBAS around the 1500s, where, I understand some generations of CHRISTMASes were clergy, with BAs or divinity qualifications from OXFORD UNIVERSITY. From memory, it looks like the Vic Hist of Hants goes further back in time than the Sy History, to your item dated 1241 in your first e-mail. Could you please tell me if there is any way of accessing the VICTORIA HISTORY OF HAMPSHIRE on line or getting at parts of it from this 'remote' location of NZ Kind regards, Ray Christmas. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: [Ham] Liss & AUBREY connections > Victoria History of Hampshire > > In 1752 Charles COLE's will left part of the manor of Liss to his wife Mary > and the remainder to his cousin Herbert AUBREY and his daughters > Elizabeth,Judith,Arabella and Anne. > Part was also left to a Harcourt AUBREY. > The manor was inherited by Richard Aubrey COLE,son of Harcourt AUBREY in > 1783 until it was sold in 1807 to the FITZPATRICK family. > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > >

Hi Ray, Looking at the Index of Surnames in the 1851 Census of West Surrey, the surname of CHRISTMAS/CHRISMAS/CRISTMAS can be found in Abinger, Farnham, Godalming, Guildford St. Mary's, Pepper Harrow Godalming, Weybridge, Windlesham, Woking, Fetcham. As you can see CHRISTMAS is not an uncommon surname. I went to school in Guildford with a Jean CHRISTMAS and knew her parents who lived not far from me. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Christmas" <ray.christmas@inspire.net.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Liss & AUBREY connections | Dear both of you, | I had, on my previous visits to UK consulted thoroughly the Victoria History | of Surrey for the CHRISTMAS families. | I learnt too late before my return to New Zealand that the CHRISTMASes | probably came out of HANTS, in particular from ITCHEN ABBAS around the | 1500s, where, I understand some generations of CHRISTMASes were clergy, with | BAs or divinity qualifications from OXFORD UNIVERSITY. | From memory, it looks like the Vic Hist of Hants goes further back in time | than the Sy History, to your item dated 1241 in your first e-mail. | Could you please tell me if there is any way of accessing the VICTORIA | HISTORY OF HAMPSHIRE on line or getting at parts of it from this 'remote' | location of NZ | | Kind regards, | Ray Christmas. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <Knightroots@aol.com> | To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:39 AM | Subject: [Ham] Liss & AUBREY connections | | | > Victoria History of Hampshire | > | > In 1752 Charles COLE's will left part of the manor of Liss to his wife | Mary | > and the remainder to his cousin Herbert AUBREY and his daughters | > Elizabeth,Judith,Arabella and Anne. | > Part was also left to a Harcourt AUBREY. | > The manor was inherited by Richard Aubrey COLE,son of Harcourt AUBREY in | > 1783 until it was sold in 1807 to the FITZPATRICK family. | > | > | > | > | > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T | > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! | > | > | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T | SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! | |

Hi all.... I too am researching BRIDGER's from the Harting / Iping area. I've only been able to trace back as early as the mid-1800's. James BRIDGER of Redford/Iping married Rose ? of East Harting. Children: Mary (abt 1861), George (abt 1866), Sarah (abt 1869), William (abt 1872) & John (abt 1882) John BRIDGER ends up in Petersfield & in 1901 is working as a Brewer Freyman(?). He has 2 daughters, one of whom was my grandmother. If anyone has info on this family or other BRIDGER's in West Sussex, I'd love to hear from you. Many thanks. Tony Fisher E. Ontario, CANADA Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, Harting, Iping)

I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had trouble tracing back. I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought that she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, Cambridgeshire as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 they are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think that she might be from there instead. Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's ???? Many thanks. Tony Fisher E. Ontario, CANADA Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, Harting, Iping)

It is COLE rather than COLES hence the apostraphe. Hope it helps Tom. Linda and Tony

Hampshire Record Office Sacrament certificates - ref. Q25/2 FILE - Sacrament Certificates - ref. Q25/2/34 - date: 1731 item: Charles Cole of Liss, esq. at Liss; Signed by Richard Newlin (M) and Robert Care (C); Witnessed by Richard Roberts of Priors Dean, tailor and John Bake of Liss - ref. Q25/2/34/20 [n.d.] ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: [Ham] Liss & AUBREY connections > Victoria History of Hampshire > > In 1752 Charles COLE's will left part of the manor of Liss to his wife Mary > and the remainder to his cousin Herbert AUBREY and his daughters > Elizabeth,Judith,Arabella and Anne. > Part was also left to a Harcourt AUBREY. > The manor was inherited by Richard Aubrey COLE,son of Harcourt AUBREY in > 1783 until it was sold in 1807 to the FITZPATRICK family. > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST!