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    1. Kate CROOK b. 1850 Ryde, IOW
    2. Edna & Ken
    3. Good Day, A kind lady looked for my Kate Crook and has found the following plus information on her & a twin, Emma. This also reveals the father of the two baby girls, see below. Sarah Crook was bapt. 22 June 1822* at Hambledon. Parents of Sarah were Reuben Crook (b. circa 1786) and Sarah Haben. Sarah died 1852 at Ryde (Ref. R6/239) age 28 years. Benjamin Brown died at Cowes age 35 years (Ref. C4/E379). Sarah Crook was my 2nd grand-aunt. I have to verify a burial of little Emma Crook in Aug. 1850 Hambledon, at five months... Birth of Kate Crook circa 1850 Bapt 18 Apr 1850 House of Industry Kate Crook d of Benjamin Brown and Sarah Crook of H of I Baptism 18 Apr 1850 H of I Emma d of Sarah Crook of H of I No bp found for Sarah Crook (see above Edna's notes) Burial Ryde St Thomas 26 Jan 1852 Sarah Crook of Ryde aged 28 yr Cowes 1852 Benjamin Brown aged 35 yr Burial Newport 29 Sep 1858 Emma Anne Crook burial Dressmaker aged 17 years of Pyle St Newport (Edna is not sure who this is...) I would like to thank the lady who searched the cards for me and the IOW-FHS for their B-M-D listing. Edna - Ottawa

    09/03/2005 07:45:12
    1. Re: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hilary gadsby" <bucgadfh@btinternet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS > My husband has an ancestor who was working in London in 1891 as a servant > and she was from Rutland so people would travel distances at that time. > By then much of the country had railway links. > We also have someone from Lincolnshire who remarried in Farnborough then > moved back to Lincolnshire. > Hilary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony & Barb Fisher [mailto:tbfisher@ripnet.com] > Sent: 27 August 2005 13:15 > To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS > > I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had > trouble tracing back. > > I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & > residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought that > she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, Cambridgeshire > as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. > > In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 they > are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such > I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to > travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. > > Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think > that she might be from there instead. > > Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's > ???? > > Many thanks. > > Tony Fisher > E. Ontario, CANADA > > Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), > PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) > West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, > Harting, Iping) > > ______________________________ > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > >

    09/03/2005 07:42:44
    1. Surname Interests
    2. J P NIXEY
    3. Hi everyone, I don't think I've ever put out a surname interests list, so here goes. ADAMS - Fareham, Gosport, Titchfield ALBERY - Gosport ALBRAY - Fareham, Gosport ASLETT - Southampton BARTLETT - Fordingbridge, Gosport CHILDS - Fareham CIVIL - Gosport DAVIS - Gosport HARVEY - South Stoneham PAGE - Bishopstoke, South Stoneham PARSONS - Fareham, Gosport, titchfield RUSSELL - Gosport SCOTT - Gosport UNIACKE - Gosport WILLIAMS - Fareham, Gosport YELLAND - Gosport Kind regards to all, Jon - http://www.albray.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/05

    09/03/2005 07:42:34
    1. Re: [Ham] Surname Interests
    2. Kenneth Scott
    3. Jon thanks for the reply. Lots of common names and places but I don't see any links. My SCOTTs were prison warders in Portsmouth and Parkhust, IoW. A William Scott b. 1805 Chatham had children in that area and the family moved to Portsea about 1850 where he worked at the prison. his sons William b. 1833, John b. 1835 were prison warders (as was at least on other son). I have traced most of the descendents of this second William but have lost contact beyond 1891 with the family of John who had 12 or more children. My guess is that they probably were in the Portsmouth area but have not been able to trace them so far. Others in the family were/are in the Brighton and Woking areas. No tailors in the family. But a Mary Ann b. 1838 was a photogrpahers assistant for many years in Portsmouth. She married a Cole and her line died out as near as I can tell when her only son died without issue. Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida J P NIXEY wrote: >Hi Kenneth > >the details I have on the Scott family are: > > Frank Scott was the son of John Charles and mary Scott, and was christened >on February 24, 1878 at Saint Peters, Brighton, sussex. > >Details from the 1881 Census: Address - 26 sydney Street, Brighton, Sussex. >John C. Scott, Head, b1833 (48) Dorset, Tailor; May Scott, wife, b1840 (41) >Sussex; William scott, son, b1866 (15) Sussex, Tailor Apprentice; Eliz1 >Scott, Daughter, b1868 (13) sussex, Scholar; Harry Scott, son, b1870 (11) >Sussex, Scholar; Frederick Scott, Son, b1872 (9) Sussex, Scholar; Louisa >Scott, daughter, b1875 (6) sussex, Scholar; Frank Scott, Son, b1877 (4) >Sussex, Scholar. > >Details from the 1891 Census: Address - 25 Pelham Street, Brighton, Sussex. >Charles Scott, Head, b1834 (57) Wareham, Dorset, Tailor; Mary Scott, Wife, >b1840 (51) Arundel, Sussex; Fred Scott, Son, Unmarried, b1872 (19) Brighton, >Butcher; Louisa Scott, Daughter, Unmarried, b1874 (17) Brighton, >Dressmaker's Apprentice; Frank Scott, Son, b1876 (15) Brighton, Apprentice >to >Photographing. > >Frank married Rhoda albray at Gosport in 1905: >May 13, 1905 Frank SCOTT, 28, Bachelor, First Class PO RN, 41 Lavinia Road, >and Rhoda ALBRAY, 31, Spinster, 41 Lavinia Road, married in the parish >church after banns, fathers John Charles SCOTT, Tailor and Henry ALBURY, >in the presence of Henry ALBRAY and Emily R--ES(?) > >so my interest is more so from 1905 onwards with Frank and Rhoda Scott. >Thanks for your interest, kind regards, Jon > > > > >

    09/03/2005 03:52:09
    1. Re: [Ham] Surname Interests
    2. Kenneth Scott
    3. Jon: What are the details on your SCOTT interests? I have SCOTTs in Portsea and IoW in the 1850 - 1900 time period and have 'lost' a lot of the descendents Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida J P NIXEY wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I don't think I've ever put out a surname interests list, so here goes. > >ADAMS - Fareham, Gosport, Titchfield >ALBERY - Gosport >ALBRAY - Fareham, Gosport >ASLETT - Southampton >BARTLETT - Fordingbridge, Gosport >CHILDS - Fareham >CIVIL - Gosport >DAVIS - Gosport >HARVEY - South Stoneham >PAGE - Bishopstoke, South Stoneham >PARSONS - Fareham, Gosport, titchfield >RUSSELL - Gosport >SCOTT - Gosport >UNIACKE - Gosport >WILLIAMS - Fareham, Gosport >YELLAND - Gosport > >Kind regards to all, > >Jon - http://www.albray.co.uk > > > > > >

    09/03/2005 02:59:25
    1. HABENS
    2. We have a photo of a grave at Anns Hill cemetery taken a while ago but tucked away safely with some of our genealogy files but not related to ourselves. If any one recognises that they are related to them e-mail us. Linda and Tony Louisa wife of Josiah HABENS also Leonard and think Josiah is in there too.

    09/02/2005 04:27:21
    1. Samuel Shadrack SWEET
    2. Maryanne Bach
    3. Good morning, I have the name Shadrack in the SWEET line. As this is the only time I have seen this name and they are suppose to have originated in Portsmouth I was wondering if anyone has heard of this name before. Is it an uncommon name or more common than I realise. I am really grasping at straws with this family. I have not been able to find the connection to the SWEETs in Hampshire. TIA Maryanne South Australia

    09/01/2005 06:05:18
    1. [Ham] Samuel Shadrack SWEET
    2. Edna & Ken
    3. Hi, I have a 4th Great-grandfather Shadrack PAGE (1734-1793) of Wymering. Shadrack is a biblical name. Edna - sunny Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryanne Bach" <maryanne@sellstrom.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [Ham] Samuel Shadrack SWEET Good morning, I have the name Shadrack in the SWEET line. As this is the only time I have seen this name and they are suppose to have originated in Portsmouth I was wondering if anyone has heard of this name before. Is it an uncommon name or more common than I realise. I am really grasping at straws with this family. I have not been able to find the connection to the SWEETs in Hampshire. TIA Maryanne South Australia ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

    09/01/2005 01:39:50
    1. Thomas GESTICAN / JUSTICAN in Trinity, Newfoundland
    2. Thomas R Cole
    3. Thomas Justican bn abt 1670 Ringwood, Hants. Christopher Justican bn abt 1690 in Ringwood. John Jusfagen?/Justican bn abt 1690 in Ringwood. Thomas Justican bapt 1706 in Ringwood s/o Thomas Thomas Gestican bn abt 1730, went to Trinity, Newfoundland Joseph Justins, mariner apprenticed in Poole, Dorset 1740.

    08/31/2005 07:12:14
    1. Re: [Ham] CHRISTMAS
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. That's really great, Linda & Tony. I will get on to it asap. Kind regards, Ray C NZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:01 AM Subject: [Ham] CHRISTMAS > The Victoria History of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight > > (mailto:olfogey46@cwgsy.net) > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >

    08/31/2005 05:56:05
    1. Re: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. Hi Hilary, My lot left Godalming in Surrey for New Zealand in 1874. They travelled by rail up to Gravesend to board the sailing ship. I have a difficult case of accepting that my g-grandfather John CHRISTMAS of Godalming travelled 20 miles down to UPWALTHAM in Sussex to marry an ANNE BREWYER. Your case of some one moving for the same reason from LINCS to FARNBOROGH and back to LINCS makes me think that John's journey in about 1818 wasn't improbable. Kind regards, Ray C NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "hilary gadsby" <bucgadfh@btinternet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS > My husband has an ancestor who was working in London in 1891 as a servant > and she was from Rutland so people would travel distances at that time. > By then much of the country had railway links. > We also have someone from Lincolnshire who remarried in Farnborough then > moved back to Lincolnshire. > Hilary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony & Barb Fisher [mailto:tbfisher@ripnet.com] > Sent: 27 August 2005 13:15 > To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS > > I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had > trouble tracing back. > > I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & > residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought that > she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, Cambridgeshire > as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. > > In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 they > are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such > I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to > travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. > > Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think > that she might be from there instead. > > Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's > ???? > > Many thanks. > > Tony Fisher > E. Ontario, CANADA > > Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), > PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) > West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, > Harting, Iping) > > ______________________________ > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > >

    08/31/2005 05:54:16
    1. Re: [Ham] CHRISTMASes
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. Yes, I personally know Henry (Happy as he is sometimes called) He is unable to easily get down into Surrey from Shrewsbury to do research. I meet him on my 4 yearly sojourns to UK for research and holiday. Last time in 2002, we exchanged houses with a couple in ASH in Surrey for a month- a bit short. Kind regards, Ray C NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan McGowan" <mcgoa@lineone.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] CHRISTMASes > A CHRISTMAS one-name study is being conducted by Henry Christmas. Details > are in the Registered Names at www.one-name.org > > Alan McGowan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Knightroots@aol.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:32 PM > Subject: [Ham] CHRISTMASes > > Hello Ray > they ae rare books and as such aren't online. > The Hampshire ones were published/completed in 1910 and took around 10 > years to write. > Hampshire one consists of 5 volumes each approx 4" thick. > We will see what we can find on CHRISTMAS but could take a little time to > check as dotted around. > Kind regards Linda and Tony > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > >

    08/31/2005 05:43:10
    1. Re: [Ham] Re: CHRISTMAS
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. Thanks Tony & Barb, My lot left Godalming in 1874 for New Zealand. However, tracing back from there, (on my visits to UK) they came out of NW Surrey in about 1640 and prior to that they came out of NE Hants in about late 1500s. They were very involved with the Clergy, having had many of their number with arts degrees from Cambridge (maybe also Oxford) One was minister of Chobham parish, Sy, his name being embossed in the ceiling of the portal entrance to the church. I haven't followed up on Sussex Cs because that is in the opposite direction to that from which i'm pretty sure my lot came. CHRISTMASes originally must have come out of KENT because there's a King's Herald's Visitation book of 1243 in the Brit Library showing a CHRYSMASSE (=CHRISTMAS) jousting against a Knight at a tournament in KENT. The Herald drew all the Knights on this occasion, pages of them, for the King. The coat of arms that C had ( I drew a sketch of it) persisted on to Christmases (spelt by then CHRISTEMASSE) in SUTTON VALENCE in KENT in about 1300s. Alas the, CHRISTMAS COAT OF ARMS (the same one) that was in a stained glass window in the Sutton Valence church was broken up when the church was extended about 50 years ago. I understand that there's a heap of rubbish, not far from the church that still has some of the broken glass in it. However, it would be a hell of a job to find any bits, even if they were the bits. I really cannot understand a clergy allowing a historic stained glass window to be broken up and thrown away. The current minister, although cognisant of what happene! d, is not very interested. Whether there is any link from 1243 KENT to 1300 SUTTON VALENCE through Sussex (or whereever it was, such as the other way round via London, it presents a big gap) around to HAMPSHIRE and then into NE Hants to NW Surrey, may be impossible to find. I would like to keep in touch. Kind regards, Ray C NZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Barb Fisher" <tbfisher@ripnet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:15 AM Subject: [Ham] Re: CHRISTMAS > I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had > trouble tracing back. > > I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & > residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought that > she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, Cambridgeshire > as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. > > In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 they > are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such > I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to > travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. > > Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think > that she might be from there instead. > > Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's > ???? > > Many thanks. > > Tony Fisher > E. Ontario, CANADA > > Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), > PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) > West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER (Elsted, > Harting, Iping) > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >

    08/31/2005 05:38:21
    1. Re: [Ham] CHRISTMASes
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. Thank you Mama2 or C, I do intend to get on to the Bodliean Library at Cambs, where a lot of Cs graduated in the 1500s. Regards, Ray C NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mama2see@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] CHRISTMASes > ..Just a note ..there are some Christmas families in Cambridge..Ely area in > the 1700 and 1800s..just a few but they are there..C.Olsen.. > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. > >

    08/31/2005 04:47:38
    1. Re: [Ham] Kings College Library and Archives
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:14 AM Thanks Edna, That's a real beauty Ray C (NZ) Subject: [Ham] Kings College Library and Archives > Found on another site... > > Edna - Ottawa > >>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks to the Heritage Lottery Fund the Estates Records of King's College, > Cambridge, are now catalogued and available online. The records include > manorial documents (court rolls, rentals, terriers and accounts), title > deeds > (including some rare royal grants with seals), wills, leases and > maps spanning 187 estates in 30 English counties, from the 11th century to > the present day. You can find the project at the following URL: > > http://turing.kings.cam.ac.uk/library/archives/college/hlfproject/ > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > >

    08/31/2005 04:34:13
    1. Re: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS
    2. Barbara Mallyon
    3. Hi Ray, The lads from Sussex used to go over the Sussex boarder to do their courting. My 5 x great grandfather James BOOKHAM born Lodsworth, Sussex married Sarah OSBORNE born Chiddingfold, Surrey. On my family tree some of my other males crossed the Sussex boarder to marry Surrey girls. When the Bike/Cycle came into being, the lads could travel freely to go courting, "the grass is always greener on the other side" the other side being the County boarder. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Christmas" <ray.christmas@inspire.net.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS | Hi Hilary, | My lot left Godalming in Surrey for New Zealand in 1874. They travelled by | rail up to Gravesend to board the sailing ship. | I have a difficult case of accepting that my g-grandfather John CHRISTMAS of | Godalming travelled 20 miles down to UPWALTHAM in Sussex to marry an ANNE | BREWYER. Your case of some one moving for the same reason from LINCS to | FARNBOROGH and back to LINCS makes me think that John's journey in about | 1818 wasn't improbable. | | Kind regards, | Ray C NZ | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "hilary gadsby" <bucgadfh@btinternet.com> | To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:59 AM | Subject: [Ham] RE: CHRISTMAS | | | > My husband has an ancestor who was working in London in 1891 as a servant | > and she was from Rutland so people would travel distances at that time. | > By then much of the country had railway links. | > We also have someone from Lincolnshire who remarried in Farnborough then | > moved back to Lincolnshire. | > Hilary | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Tony & Barb Fisher [mailto:tbfisher@ripnet.com] | > Sent: 27 August 2005 13:15 | > To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com | > Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS | > | > I too have a CHRISTMAS in my tree (lol, sorry 'bout that) that I've had | > trouble tracing back. | > | > I have Jennie (sp) CHRISTMAS marrying George William DUKE in about 1890 & | > residing in Storrington, W. Sussex. In my research I've always thought | that | > she was the daughter of William and Annie CHRISTMAS of March, | Cambridgeshire | > as I'd not found any other CHRISTMASes in the Southern counties. | > | > In the 1891 census I've located the couple living in Horsham & in 1901 | they | > are listed in Ashington. Jennie is listed as being a servant and as such | > I've always been somewhat suspect that she would have had the means to | > travel from Cambridgeshire to West Sussex at a young age. | > | > Now knowing that there were CHRISTMASes in Hampshire I'm starting to think | > that she might be from there instead. | > | > Does anyone have any CHRISTMASes living the Hampshire/Sussex in the 1800's | > ???? | > | > Many thanks. | > | > Tony Fisher | > E. Ontario, CANADA | > | > Researching: Hampshire - FISHER (Colemore, Priors Dean), BRIDGER (Liss), | > PRIOR (Priors Dean, Oakhanger) | > West Sussex - DUKE (Storrington), CHRISTMAS (Storrington), BRIDGER | (Elsted, | > Harting, Iping) | > | > ______________________________ | > | > | > | > | > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! | > | > | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots | |

    08/31/2005 02:26:00
    1. Re: [Ham] CHRISTMAS
    2. Ray Christmas
    3. Dear Linda & Tony, Thank you very much for that site. Regards, Ray Christmas, New Zealand (NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:01 AM Subject: [Ham] CHRISTMAS > The Victoria History of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight > > (mailto:olfogey46@cwgsy.net) > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >

    08/30/2005 05:33:45
    1. Re: [Ham] Marriage Customs
    2. Alan McGowan
    3. The registers of Fleet Marriages are at The National Archives under reference RG 7. Mark Herber has published three volumes of transcripts titled: Clandestine Marriages in the Chapel and Rules of the Fleet, 1680-1754, Volumes 1-3 (London, 1998-99). Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: <PublicityHGS@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: [Ham] Marriage Customs We have a book on worldwide marriage rituals and thought an explanation of the infamous "Fleet Marriages" may be of interest to all regardless of county interests. The Fleet in question has nothing to do with the navy but is in fact the Fleet Prison in London. Prior to Hardwickes marriage act, it was not necessary to have a 3 times reading of the banns and so clandestine marriages took place. Although there was a fine of GBP100 on clergy solemnising clandestine marriages, this was of little deterrent to a number of disreputable parsons who set up an open all hours marriage shop where for a fee, they would undertake a quick wedding ceremony without delay and without banns. The odd thing is that these weddings were legal and solemly binding. The book goes on to state "sometimes these farcical marriages were celebrated in adjacent taverns and both parsons and tavern keepers employed touts to solicit custom. If a couple appeared arm in arm, it was taken for granted they intended to marry and they were likely to be carried off by force and married.Next to the prison was a sign - marriages performed within - and the parson could be seen - a squalid profligate figure, clad in a tattered plaid nightgown and ready to couple you for a dram of gin or a roll of tobacco" Take care (especially if walking arm in arm in Fleet St) Linda & Tony

    08/29/2005 01:20:29
    1. A Special Request
    2. J P NIXEY
    3. Hi everyone, This is a special request for anyone who is living in Gosport, or who lived in Gosport between approx 1957 and 1988. I am putting together a new page on the family website, with details of the Albray Brothers hardware shop which was in Whitworth Road, just next door to the Post office. Is there anyone on the list that can recall going in to buy odds and ends? Do you have any memories of or stories relating to the shop at all? I'd very much like to compile comments from various people who used the shop, and put them on the website. I guess you could almost call it a memorial to the shop. If you would like to be a part of this, please contact me. E-mail: jonealogist@albray.co.uk Many thanks in advance, kind regards to all, Jon http://www.albray.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/05

    08/29/2005 08:37:49
    1. CHRISTMAS
    2. The Victoria History of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight (mailto:olfogey46@cwgsy.net)

    08/29/2005 07:01:57