Hi Peter, Many many thanks, I feel awful now as someone sent me the details on another Hants list and I forgot to message the other list to say I had recieved the details. I'm so sorry! Thank you ever so much for your time and effort though, it is very much appreciated. kind regards, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter McCaffery" <peter@mccafferys.ndo.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] The RATHMELL Family > In the 1891 census (ancestry), the surname has been transcribed as Kathmell. > They are in Portsea, eight of them: > > "Cabeb", 6, b. Portsmouth > Charlotte, 36, b. Portsmouth > George, 8, b. Clonmel, Ireland > James, 10, b. Clonmel, Ireland > John I, 12, b. "Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northamptonshire" > Sarah, 4, b. Portsmouth > William, 40, b. "Peterborough, Northamptonshire" > William J, 13, b. Portsmouth > > They had evidently moved about a lot. > > Hope this helps. Peter > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 10/11/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 10/11/05

In the 1891 census (ancestry), the surname has been transcribed as Kathmell. They are in Portsea, eight of them: "Cabeb", 6, b. Portsmouth Charlotte, 36, b. Portsmouth George, 8, b. Clonmel, Ireland James, 10, b. Clonmel, Ireland John I, 12, b. "Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northamptonshire" Sarah, 4, b. Portsmouth William, 40, b. "Peterborough, Northamptonshire" William J, 13, b. Portsmouth They had evidently moved about a lot. Hope this helps. Peter

Hi, Saw someone on the Hampshire list looking for the debtors in his/her family... Just reading here in Practical Family History Aug. 2005 issue (a very good magazine by the way) -- a tip for locating info on gaoling (jailing) debtors - Local record offices usually hold records in their quarter sessions' papers relating to the process of gaoling debtors. Cheers, Edna - sunny Ottawa

Hi I have also, but found it has been put on main site now Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Millar To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: [Ham] 1851 Census Problem Hello Listers Hope you don't mind me asking but I am having a problem getting onto the 1851 Census, every time in last couple of hours I have tried to enter : http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path= I am getting an "error processing request" is the system down or have I a big problem ????? Regards Tom Outgoing Mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Norton Internet Security ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

Hi all, Is anyone researching the RATHMELL family? From Free BMD I have the marriage of Elizabeth Albray to someone with the surname of Rathmell at Gosport in 1913. This ties up with the marriage of my wife's grandfather in 1918 which was witnessed by an Elizabeth Rathmell. Checking the 1901 census, there was a family of Rathmells living in Portsea, headed by Charlotte Rathmell who was born about 1854 in Portsmouth. Her children were William born about 1878 in Portsmouth, George born about 1882 in Ireland, Caleb born about 1885 in Portsmouth, Sarah born about 1887 in Portsmouth, and Joseph born about 1892 in Portsmouth. I have found the death index for charlotte at Portsmouth in 1910 aged 55, as well as the death index of a william Caleb Rathmell in 1899 aged 48 who I presume is Charlotte's husband, and also some birth and marriage indexes for their children. I have not been able to find the family in ancestry's 1891 census yet though. Would dearly love to hear from anyone with connections to this family. Regards to all, Jon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/05

No, no problem with your system! Ancestry have taken out the access in preparation for adding the census data to the complete set 1851-1901 for subscribers. Regards. Michael > Hello Listers > Hope you don't mind me asking but I am having a problem getting onto the > 1851 Census, every time in last couple of hours I have tried to enter : > http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path= > > I am getting an "error processing request" is the system down or have I a > big problem ????? > > Regards > Tom

The 1851 census has been taken off of Ancestry - the only 1851 census you can see at the moment is the 2% sample. I have just thoroughly searched the site. If you can prove me wrong, please send me the link. Alan Frost ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wyatt Family" <WYATT.FAMILY@xtra.co.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] 1851 Census Problem > Hi > I have also, but found it has been put on main site now > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Millar > To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:30 AM > Subject: [Ham] 1851 Census Problem > > > Hello Listers > Hope you don't mind me asking but I am having a problem getting onto the 1851 Census, every time in last couple of hours I have tried to enter : > http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path= > > I am getting an "error processing request" is the system down or have I a big problem ????? > > Regards > Tom > > Outgoing Mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by Norton Internet Security > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >

Hi Tom I don't think it's ready for use yet!! I had an email from Ancestry yesterday to say that it would "soon be available" but no exact dates. If you go into the main Ancestry web site - there is no searchable facility yet for 1851!! http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ Hope this helps!! Alison -----Original Message----- From: Tom Millar [mailto:tgmillar@btinternet.com] Sent: 11 October 2005 21:31 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] 1851 Census Problem Hello Listers Hope you don't mind me asking but I am having a problem getting onto the 1851 Census, every time in last couple of hours I have tried to enter : http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path= I am getting an "error processing request" is the system down or have I a big problem ????? Regards Tom Outgoing Mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Norton Internet Security ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005

Hello Listers Hope you don't mind me asking but I am having a problem getting onto the 1851 Census, every time in last couple of hours I have tried to enter : http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path= I am getting an "error processing request" is the system down or have I a big problem ????? Regards Tom Outgoing Mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Norton Internet Security

Hi Liz, If you have the naval service record, where does it say Charles was at the relevant dates if not those 2 ships? He could be at an accounting base like HMS Victory and perhaps on loan to the Flirt & Quail at those times. Best wishes Anita Original message: Dear listers: I have 3 documents for Charles Terdrey: 1907, his marriage at Portsmouth, which states his residence as "HMS Flirt"; 1908, birth of son at Portsmouth, which states his occupation as "Steward, HMS Quail" and then his navy seaman service records which lists the ships served on from 1906 to 1928. My question is: why dont these ships named on cert: Flirt and Quail appear in his seamans's service?...other ships such as Hecla, Blenheim, Dido, Blake, etc appear.

Thank you, Linda and Tony, and also Edna for your replies. Edna referred me to the Streetmap site which shows the names adjacent to each other. I had looked in my two huge maps books, neither of which showed Landport, so I wondered if the name had been changed. Throughout the censuses my man put either Landport or Portsea as his place of birth, but I have just found another one saying Portsmouth, so I am now happy that they are all the same man. Thank you all very much for your help. Dorothy Morrissey Whakatane, NZ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Please could someone tell me, where or what is Landport? Is or was it the same place as Portsea? I have census entries which I think are for the same person, giving both names as places of birth. Thank you for your help. Dorothy Morrissey Whakatane, NZ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Alan - not much light to shed but I note that Annie and Walter both spent most of their young years with grandmother Diana DYETT/PRESTON. This might suggest that Sarah and Annie both married but left their illegitimate child with her, or that they came to some other 'end'. I have searched the censuses for likely 'culprits' but nothing definite. As DYETT is an unusual name, a search of the BDM indexes at a family history centre might be fruitful, if you haven't already done this of course.. Sorry not to be more help. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > I'm looking for Sarah DYETT (b. 1835) and daughter Annie Eliza (b. 1855). > Both had children but no husbands (Annie had Walter John in 1872). I > can't > find deaths for either of these ladies and I wonder if they married after > having their kids. There is a possible marriage for Annie in 1879 to Henry > CANE or Charles BAYLESS (Q2 S. Stoneham 2c, 133), but nothing reasonable > for > Sarah (apart from a marriage in London in 1886 (Q2 Kensington 1a, 213) but > the only other person on the page is a woman! > > Can anyone shed some light on these two? > > Alan in sweltering Brisbane

Census dates- http://members.tripod.com/~jo42/census.html Edna - Ottawa

Hi Linda and Tony is there a problem with the list nothing coming up Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <PublicityHGS@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Landport? > Hello Dorothy > Depending on the year you are referring to, Landport and Portsea were > adjoining districts although at one time all part of St Marys parish. > Since the mid > 1800's All Saints church became the main Landport church - situated on a > modern map at the end of Commercial Road by Mile End. > Linda & Tony > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. >

This from White's 1859 Directory. "LANDPORT, the central and most populous suburb on the eastern side of the fortifications of the two towns (Portsmouth and Portsea) extends from Southsea to Kingston, and is now so closely connected with them by continuous lines of streets that its limits are undefinable. It extends about a mike northwards from Landport Gate to the harbour side beyond Portsea, and occupies more than 200 acres of land a large portion of which was formerly know as Portsea Common. It began to be built about the same time as Portsea Town and not being confined by the fortifications on the east it has rapidly increased its buildings and population during the last thirty years. In 1836 John Burrill Esq., gave 80 acres of land at Wymering and Widley to Winchester College in exchange for 25 acres in Landport called Cherry Garden Field and now closely built upon. As much as 1000 pounds per acre has often been given for land in this part of Portsea Parish.The first buildings erected here were called Half-Way Houses, but the increasing suburb afterwards obtained its present name - Landport, said to have been given to it by Wm Cooper Esq., who was several time Mayor of Portsmouth." David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Morrissey" <mamouse56@yahoo.co.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:08 AM Subject: [Ham] Landport? > Please could someone tell me, where or what is Landport? Is or was it the same place as Portsea? I have census entries which I think are for the same person, giving both names as places of birth. Thank you for your help. > > Dorothy Morrissey > Whakatane, NZ > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >

received. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: [Ham] Fw: Test > > > Edna > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > also Hampshire Look up Exchange at > http://members.madasafish.com/~caroldolton/index.htm > > >

Hello Dorothy Depending on the year you are referring to, Landport and Portsea were adjoining districts although at one time all part of St Marys parish. Since the mid 1800's All Saints church became the main Landport church - situated on a modern map at the end of Commercial Road by Mile End. Linda & Tony

I don't know, but the 20 or so entries I've looked for so far have all been there... It's been in the offing for a while, and I believe the 1841 is next... Steve Peter Goggin wrote: > I believe that the 1851 Census is actually a sample rather than the full > census. Is this correct? > > > Regards > > > Peter Goggin >

I believe that the 1851 Census is actually a sample rather than the full census. Is this correct? Regards Peter Goggin -----Original Message----- From: Mary Haskell [mailto:dh014a7479@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2005 11:45 PM To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ham] 1851 census online at Ancestry Is it really "free" or will I get caught if I register with a payment in a month or so time? Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire Researching: HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; MOORE, BURTON; WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire WILSON, Surrey; BROWN Hants/Wilts, MATTINGLEY, Berks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Shepherd" <sheppie@penstemmon.fsnet.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] 1851 census online at Ancestry > Thanks for letting us know - that is great. > I have already found a couple of ancesters. > Regards > Maureen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Sims" <steven.sims.e@bigpond.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:08 AM > Subject: [Ham] 1851 census online at Ancestry > > >> >From another list, Ancestry now has 1851 census online, not on main page >> >yet but at >> http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8860&path= >> >> Happy hunting, >> Steve in Oz >> (so much for my weekend plans) >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >> >> >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 6/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 6/10/2005