And a reminder (I send this one out regularly so sorry if you're bored with it) But even if your own ancestors didn't emigrate but had siblings who DID, then if they died after 1876 the death certificate will give their place of birth and parents names, VERY useful (although not always accurate). After 1893 NZ electoral rolls also contain womens' names as they became eligible to vote. Having searched the NZ electoral rolls I would say that if this is something you are interested in then the CD sounds good value as the fiche are arranged first by geographical order, then by electoral division then by surname making them very difficult to search for your own family unless you know where they were living. Hopefully the CD overcomes this problem. The earlier marriages are not too bad to search on the fiche once you get used to the slightly odd layout and the fact that some are not quite in correct alphabetical order! For later marriages (more of them!) I imagine the CD would be very helpful. Don't forget also that some people went out to NZ (and Aus) and came back again so they could have married out there and then show up back in England (I've helped out one lady with this problem) so if you're stuck without a marriage or with a child born in NZ to an English based family it's worth checking out. PS I have no commercial interest in these CDs but they do sound like a good helping hand and worthy of a look Regards Jane -----Original Message----- From: KATHY HILL [mailto:kathysrequests@post.com] Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 11:35 p.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] 2 CD Roms produced by NZSG in NZ Hi everyone, Just spotted this e-mail from the NZSG. They have produced 2 CD's that might be of interest to anybody who had family immigrate to NZ. If you have family that came down under then take a look. Kathy HILL Committee Member Welsh Interest Group http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzsgwig/ e-mail: wignewzealand@yahoo.com.au ------------------------------------- Greetings. About 30 minutes ago we received the new CD Roms that we have produced. 1) 1881 Electoral Roll - first roll in which, subject to residential qualifications, all men, except aliens, were eligible to vote. This is searchable on Surname, given name, occupation and electorate. Price $25.00 (plus $4 postage for overseas delivery. 2) NZ Marriages 1836 - 1956 - This is a combination of the Matching Brides & Grooms project and the pre 1856 Marriages Collection. Its main purpose is to identify the spouse in a marriage and a year of marriage and does not have any details that would be found on a certificate. Price $25.00 (plus $4 postage for overseas delivery) Regards to all Peter Nash Executive Officer New Zealand Society of Genealogists PO Box 8795 Symonds St Auckland Ph: 0064 9570 4248 NZSG - Preserving our past for the future. For more information http://www.genealogy.org.nz/ -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005

HELLYER may be a Cornish name. Suggest that you check Cornwall County Records, Truro, Cornwall, U.K., for earlier ancestors. Keith environment@ozemail.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Ann HELLYER b. 1828 > Would someone please verify bapt. date & particulars please. > > CHU3/1B/23 St Mary's Portsea (born 26 Oct 1828) > page 36 no 283 Ann daughter of James John & Ann HELLYER Portsea Plumber > > Thanks, > > Edna - Ottawa > > ______________________________

Here is the Bellinger/Belenger family I think you're looking for: 1851 census, Tangier Road, Kingston, Portsea, Hampshire James Belenger, head, married, 56, agricultural laborer, born Portsea, Hants Ann Belenger, wife, married, 49, laundress, born Portsea, Hants Marthar Belenger, daughter, unmarried, laundress, born Portsea, Hants Fanny Belenger, daughter, unmarried, 20, laundress, born Portsea, Hants Joseph Belenger, son, unmarried, 17, agricultural laborer, born Portsea, Hants Jane Belenger, daughter, unmarried, 16, laundress, born Portsea, Hants George Belenger, son, 13, laborer, born Portsea, Hants Ellen Belenger, daughter, 11, scholar, born Portsea, Hants Alfred Belenger, son, 9, born Portsea, Hants Henry Belenger, son, 7, born Portsea, Hants Rosa Belenger, daughter, 5, born Portsea, Hants Let me know if you need anything else. Regards, Kathleen

from another listing.... Edna - Ottawa >>>>>>>>>> Naval Brigade, squadrons, killed and wounded 1854 on new snippets page Comments welcome in my guest book http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/index.html Regards Jane

Thanks Keith but this batch of Hellyers were definitely Gosport/Portsea inhabitants. Appreciate your suggestion though. Take care, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith" <environment@ozemail.com.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [Ham] Re: Ann HELLYER b. 1828 HELLYER may be a Cornish name. Suggest that you check Cornwall County Records, Truro, Cornwall, U.K., for earlier ancestors. Keith environment@ozemail.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Ann HELLYER b. 1828 > Would someone please verify bapt. date & particulars please. > > CHU3/1B/23 St Mary's Portsea (born 26 Oct 1828) > page 36 no 283 Ann daughter of James John & Ann HELLYER Portsea Plumber > > Thanks, > > Edna - Ottawa > > ______________________________ ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots

Thanks to all the people who responded to my query about the 1851 census. I'll investigate the various sources. In the meantime I would be grateful if Kathleen in Chicago could check the whereabouts of Ellen Bellinger. I thought I had found her baptism in 1837 in South Hayling but the 1861 census gives her age about 3/4 years younger (therefore about 1840/41) and lists Portsea as her birthplace. I was wondering whether there were two Ellen Bellingers in the area at the time. I thought the 1851 census might be able to clear this up as she would still presumeably have been living with her parents at the time. Thanks Gill

Hi Gill Try www.genealogysupplies.com/index800.htm HTH Brian Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Jones" <g.jones@connectfree.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: [Ham] 1851 census > Does anyone know if it is possible to purchase a CD ROM of the 1851 census > for Hampshire from anywhere? > > Gill > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > > >

Would like to say thanks for the replies I received on the subject of OFFER in the above census. It has prompted some more questions which I have to follow up. Regards Ron Alexander -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 28/10/2005

Hi everyone, Just spotted this e-mail from the NZSG. They have produced 2 CD's that might be of interest to anybody who had family immigrate to NZ. If you have family that came down under then take a look. Kathy HILL Committee Member Welsh Interest Group http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzsgwig/ e-mail: wignewzealand@yahoo.com.au ------------------------------------- Greetings. About 30 minutes ago we received the new CD Roms that we have produced. 1) 1881 Electoral Roll - first roll in which, subject to residential qualifications, all men, except aliens, were eligible to vote. This is searchable on Surname, given name, occupation and electorate. Price $25.00 (plus $4 postage for overseas delivery. 2) NZ Marriages 1836 - 1956 - This is a combination of the Matching Brides & Grooms project and the pre 1856 Marriages Collection. Its main purpose is to identify the spouse in a marriage and a year of marriage and does not have any details that would be found on a certificate. Price $25.00 (plus $4 postage for overseas delivery) Regards to all Peter Nash Executive Officer New Zealand Society of Genealogists PO Box 8795 Symonds St Auckland Ph: 0064 9570 4248 NZSG - Preserving our past for the future. For more information http://www.genealogy.org.nz/ -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/

Would someone please verify bapt. date & particulars please. CHU3/1B/23 St Mary's Portsea (born 26 Oct 1828) page 36 no 283 Ann daughter of James John & Ann HELLYER Portsea Plumber Thanks, Edna - Ottawa

I don't know anything about an 1851 CD for Hampshire, but the 1851 census is now on line at ancestry.com. I have a subscription and would be willing to do a few lookups for you. Who are you looking for in Hampshire? Regards, Kathleen in Chicago

Does anyone know if it is possible to purchase a CD ROM of the 1851 census for Hampshire from anywhere? Gill

Hi Lynda Charles Langton, 38, Married, private RM, Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports abroad. Ref. is RG09, Piece - 4441, Folio - 256, Page 17. HTH Brian Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ljwatts" <ljwatts@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:35 AM Subject: [Ham] 1861census Langton > Could anyone look up the 1861 census for me and find Charles Langton, born > 1823 in Newbury, Berkshire? He was in the Royal Navy and believed to be > then living in Portsmouth or Gosport. I am hoping to find out whether he > was married or single at the time. > > Many Thanks, > > Lynda. > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes. > > >

Hi Brian, Could these Charles VINE be related to you. Served as Mayor of Basingstoke Charles VINE 1772/73 Charles VINE 1778/79 Charles VINE 1782/83 Charles VINE 1886/87 To be a Mayor they were usually councillors, business men with money. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vine" <bovine@upnaway.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] 1861census Langton | Hi Lynda | Charles Langton, 38, Married, private RM, Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports | abroad. | Ref. is RG09, Piece - 4441, Folio - 256, Page 17. | HTH | Brian | Perth WA | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "ljwatts" <ljwatts@ntlworld.com> | To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:35 AM | Subject: [Ham] 1861census Langton | | | > Could anyone look up the 1861 census for me and find Charles Langton, born | > 1823 in Newbury, Berkshire? He was in the Royal Navy and believed to be | > then living in Portsmouth or Gosport. I am hoping to find out whether he | > was married or single at the time. | > | > Many Thanks, | > | > Lynda. | > | > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | > Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes. | > | > | > | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! | |

Hi everyone I have a request from anyone who may have a copy of the entry in the Bramshott Parish Register made by John Monkhouse, I am sure anyone who has perused these registers, will know which one I mean. many thanks in advance. Cheers Lesley Please visit my website:- http://www.lesleeztreez.com

.... or see http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory/pr-entries.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley C. Potter" <lesleychristine@iprimus.com.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [Ham] Entry in Bramshott PR's Hi everyone I have a request from anyone who may have a copy of the entry in the Bramshott Parish Register made by John Monkhouse, I am sure anyone who has perused these registers, will know which one I mean. many thanks in advance. Cheers Lesley

Do you mean this one? In the baptism register circa 1822: Of 72 marriages in the last 10 years ending 1820, not less than 69 females have been unchaste before marriage. Those who gain husbands are more fortunate than those who bear bastards, but not more virtuous. J Monkhouse Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley C. Potter" <lesleychristine@iprimus.com.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [Ham] Entry in Bramshott PR's Hi everyone I have a request from anyone who may have a copy of the entry in the Bramshott Parish Register made by John Monkhouse, I am sure anyone who has perused these registers, will know which one I mean. many thanks in advance. Cheers Lesley

Could anyone look up the 1861 census for me and find Charles Langton, born 1823 in Newbury, Berkshire? He was in the Royal Navy and believed to be then living in Portsmouth or Gosport. I am hoping to find out whether he was married or single at the time. Many Thanks, Lynda.

Hi Joan - this looks like the family in 1861, indexed as KULPER. Ages have been heavily scored through so are almost unreadable. Romsey, Winchester Road Charles BULPIT 48? Ag lab. Elizabeth 47? B Landford, Wilts Charles 17? George 14 James 13 William 9 Charlotte 7 Harry 4 All born Romsey except Elizabeth. In 1851 Elizabeth's birthplace is given as Plaitford, Wilts and there is a daughter Martha b 1844. Also ages are pretty much as I have given for 1861. Hope that is useful. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Dear List > > Could someone look up an 1861 census to find a Harry Bulpitt born in > Romsey in 1857. Would like to confirm his parents and possible other > siblings. > > Thanks > Joan >

Hi Joan > bulpitt, harry > From: > joanniel <joanniel@shaw.ca> > Dear List > > Could someone look up an 1861 census to find a Harry Bulpitt born in Romsey in 1857. Would like to confirm his parents and possible other siblings. > > Thanks > Joan Could not find the family in 1861 census but they are there in 1871. Harry BULPITT 14yrs Born Romsey Ploughboy Elizabeth 55yrs Wid Landford WIL Laundress William 20yrs Romsey Grocers Porter Charlotte 16yrs Romsey Dom Servant Tried every trick to locate them in 1861 especially as the father might have been alive then, but no luck. Surname must be recorded differently or they were overseas at the time. Even searched the 1861 for ALL Elizabeths born Landford 1816 +/- 5yrs but nothing. Might try the 1851 later as that may help locate the husband. Hope this assists a bit. Regards Allan