I couldn't see him in 1851. When was his father born? Jean -----Original Message----- From: Gill Jones [mailto:g.jones@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: 16 November 2005 19:14 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] 1851 lookup I would be very grateful if someone could look for a Benjamin Marsh (b. 1837) in Portsea in the 1851 census. His father was William Marsh and I believe that he might have been married twice. This could help me to establish whether this was the case. Gill ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers"

I would be very grateful if someone could look for a Benjamin Marsh (b. 1837) in Portsea in the 1851 census. His father was William Marsh and I believe that he might have been married twice. This could help me to establish whether this was the case. Gill

Many thanks David for your interesting reply to my message. Funnily enough, I contacted the Stockbridge Council website and they replied saying they had never heard of this Church!!! Jean -----Original Message----- From: DAVID PARKER [mailto:parker3250@rogers.com] Sent: 15 November 2005 22:19 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants Not much help but White's 1851 Directory reads 'There is an independent chapel in the town, built in 1817 at the cost of £900. The "Independents" as such were Congregationalists, but an independent chapel was not necessarily a Congregationalist Chapel as Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist and others all called some of their chapels independent, meaning independent of the established church. Such were known as "dissenters". (Roman Catholics, also "dissenters" were known as "Recusants".) Members of "independent" churches were known to change chapels and at times revert back to the established Church A few possibly interesting facts on non-conformist marriage The Toleration Act of 1689 allowed Protestant Dissenters to worship on Licensed premises Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753 all marriages had to take place in an Anglican Church until 1837. at which time the Dissenters' Marriage Bill, 1836, legalised civil marriage and established a civil register of births, marriages and deaths, breaking the Anglican monopoly in recording these Finally the Marriage Act of 1849 permitted marriages in other than the Established Church David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my JEWELL > children were baptised there. > > Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary > KNELLER wed in this church. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Jean > > All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

Hi Carol - did you get George and Martha in 1851? and do you have them in 1841? Happy to send details if you don't already have them. (No John with them in either). Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. > Thank for your reply regarding Whites in Hampshire. Regarding George > White is marriage - I was given the information from my cousin in England. > So I am hoping that the information was correct. > > I know for sure that one of his sons was John White born abt. 1822 in > Greywell, Hampshire. So what I am hoping for if I can find John in some > census perhaps with his father and mother, then I know for sure that we > have the correct George > > Thanks > > Carol >

Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my JEWELL children were baptised there. Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary KNELLER wed in this church. Many thanks for any help. Jean All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software

I wonder if anyone can find the births of the above or their marriage? The earliest child I can find is James JEWELL born 1815 born Kings Somborne. I would appreciate any help on this family. Jean All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software

Not much help but White's 1851 Directory reads 'There is an independent chapel in the town, built in 1817 at the cost of £900. The "Independents" as such were Congregationalists, but an independent chapel was not necessarily a Congregationalist Chapel as Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist and others all called some of their chapels independent, meaning independent of the established church. Such were known as "dissenters". (Roman Catholics, also "dissenters" were known as "Recusants".) Members of "independent" churches were known to change chapels and at times revert back to the established Church A few possibly interesting facts on non-conformist marriage The Toleration Act of 1689 allowed Protestant Dissenters to worship on Licensed premises Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753 all marriages had to take place in an Anglican Church until 1837. at which time the Dissenters' Marriage Bill, 1836, legalised civil marriage and established a civil register of births, marriages and deaths, breaking the Anglican monopoly in recording these Finally the Marriage Act of 1849 permitted marriages in other than the Established Church David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my JEWELL > children were baptised there. > > Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary > KNELLER wed in this church. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Jean > > All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >

Borrowed from another listing.... Edna - Ottawa >>>>>>>>>>> Another item or two rescued from eBay and a possible fate as wallpaper or lampshades , an Act of Parliament dated 3rd May 1804 , `An Act to exempt Vessels in the Newfoundland Trade from the Provisions of an Act passed in the last Session of Parliament , for regulating Vessels carrying passengers from the United Kingdom` `Whereas it is expedient that the Regulations contained in an Act passed in the 43rd yr of His present Majesty`s Reign intituled ( as above ) should not be applied to Vessels going to or returning from Newfoundland and the Coast of Labrador , having persons on board concerned in the Trade and Fishery thereof ; and it might be very prejudicial to the said Fishery and Trade , if the Provisions of the said Act should be enforced with regard to such Vessels; and be it enacted by the King`s most Excellent Majesty ....that nothing in the said Act shall be deemed and taken to apply to any Ships or Vessels for which a Clearance shall be demanded out of any Port or Place of the United Kingdom to the Island of Newfoundland or to the Coast of Labrador or to the Banks of Newfoundland to be employed in the Trade or Fishery thereof ........or returning with passengers who have been so employed ......` And a weightier tome which is dated 18th July 1823 ` An Act to repeal the Laws for regulating Vessels carrying Passengers from the United Kingdom to Foreign Parts, and to make other Provisions in lieu therof .....` so this Act repealed from the 1st Aug 1823 , the Acts for regulating vessels carrying passengers from the United Kingdom to his Majesty`s plantations and settlements abroad , or to foreign parts, and with respect to the number of such passengers ; an Act for regulating the carrying of passengers to and from the Island of Newfoundland and the Coast of Labrador ; an Act to regulate the conveyance of passengers from the United Kingdom to the United States of America in British Vessels , and an Act to regulate the vessels carrying passengers from the United Kingdom to certain of His Majesty`s Colonies in North America ............... alongside each numbered paragraph of this new Act , are small print summaries , ` No Foreign vessel carrying passengers shall sail for any port out of Europe etc with more persons on board than One for every Five tons burthen without special permission of the Commissioners of the Customs .......No British vessel carrying passengers shall sail with a greater number of persons than as aforesaid without a licence from Commissioners of Customs ....Penalty £50 for each person exceeding the proportion ...( this number of persons included the master and crew and the fine was to be paid by the master of the ship .......and a person was one Adult or two children under 14yrs of age or three children under 7yrs of age for `every two tons of the burthen of such ship or vessel : Provided also that no such licence shall be granted for any ship or vessel which shall not have two decks nor unless the height between such decks shall be five feet six inches at least `. ........Apportionment of Space for the passengers ` Provided always that if one bed be placed over another , so that each sleeping place shall not have the whole height between decks , or the full height of 5ft 6ins if there be only one deck, such further adjoining space in width and not being less than 5ft 6ins in height shall be given .........` ` THE MASTER ........IS HEREBY REQUIRED TO DELIVER TO THE COLLECTOR ........A LIST CONTAINING THE FULL NUMBER OF THE CREW AND ALSO THE NUMBER OF THE PASSENGERS , WITH THEIR NAMES, AGES, AND DESCRIPTIONS AND THE PLACES TO WHICH THEY ARE TO BE RESPECTIVELY CONVEYED ` `Bond to be given that the vessel is seaworthy , and properly stored etc . ....and properly stored with water and provisions and having a surgeon with a medicine chest properly stored with medicines as therein provided `............`Passengers only to be taken on board at a Custom House port on penalty of £50 for each passenger .............Penalty on Masters taking more passengers than allowed £50 for each person ............` allowance of 5 pints of water daily during the voyage for every person including the master and crew ...an allowance for every person during the voyage of one pound weight of bread or biscuit and one pound weight of beef or three quarters of a pound of pork daily and also two pounds weight of flour and three pounds weight of Oatmeal or Pease or of Pearl Barley , and half a pound weight of Butter weekly `. .....` and it be further enacted that the Bedding fo each and every passenger on board any such British ship or vessel shall be aired by Exposure upon the deck when the weather will permit daily during the voyage and that the vessel be fumigated with vinegar at least twice every week during the voyage and the master shall forfeit and pay the sum of £20 for each failure or neglect in airing the said bedding and fumigating the ship `. ....no such British ship carrying fifty persons shall be cleared out unless provided with a surgeon who shall produce a certificate of his having passed his examination at Surgeons Hall in London or the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh or Dublin .......and whereas it is expedient that some certain Mark should be placed on certain British ships or vessels carrying Passengers that they may at all times be known at sea by HMS , be it enacted that the Letter P shall be painted in white at least three feet in length and in proportionate inches in width on the quarters of every British ship ....................officers of the Navy , Consuls etc may inquire into the Execution of the Act ........(but) the Act is not to extend to vessels in service of His Majesty , or of His Majesty`s Post master General or of the East India Company ..............it is to extend to Foreign ships belonging to states in Amity ...........not to extend to the conveyance of fishermen etc employed in the Newfoundland Fisheries etc .........penalties incurred by such persons ..in case they be convicted thereof to yield his or their bodies to prison in the manner prescribed in the Act of 8th George 1st , ` Act to prevent the clandestine running of Goods and the Danger of Infection thereby , and to prevent ships breaking their quarantine , and to subject Copper Ore of the British Plantations to such regulations etc ...........` The words horse and stable door spring to mind !!!

Thanks Linda and Tony, you have given us another site to keep us out of mischief.... http://www.portcities.org.uk/ Edna - sleety Ottawa

Edna. Thank you. Will do and try again. Jacqueline

Gail don't go yet we have the SAME Amos in our tree so looks like we are related.... Poor you! Where do you link up? Linda and Tony Since there has been talk recently on ships, etc on the Hamp list, I have a question. I have great grand uncles who are missing from cenus in 1861, although it does list one of the boys Amos Knight, 15, ''up to sea'' born Burpham, West Sussex (I realize this should be on that mailing list.) What would one take that to mean - fishing? mariner? merchant seaman, etc? and where would one locate those records. Perhaps I should join the mariners list? Gail in Ontario

Dear List Can anyone look up a recent 2004 buriel in Petersfield, Hampshire for: The name is Vera Bulpitt. Thanks Joan Letsos Courtenay, B.C. Canada

Thank for your reply regarding Whites in Hampshire. Regarding George White is marriage - I was given the information from my cousin in England. So I am hoping that the information was correct. I know for sure that one of his sons was John White born abt. 1822 in Greywell, Hampshire. So what I am hoping for if I can find John in some census perhaps with his father and mother, then I know for sure that we have the correct George Thanks Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan McGowan" <mcgoa@lineone.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] WHITES IN HAMPSHIRE > Do you have the entry for George White's marriage in 1823? > > Alan McGowan > Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Kersbergen" <cbkers@shaw.ca> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:45 PM > Subject: [Ham] WHITES IN HAMPSHIRE > > > Could SKS please look up the following information. I need a copy of the > 1851 census from the following persons. > > John White born abt. 1822 in Greywell, Hampshire his wife is Harriet born > abt. 1829 in Sherborne St. John, Hampshire. > > I am also looking for George White born February 25, 1798 and christened > March 1798. It would be helpful to have the 1851, 1861, and 1871 census. > > Thanks > Carol, from Langley, B.C. Canada > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > >

Ray. I have been trying your Ships lists but as soon as I type in an ancestors name. The Ancestry page comes up offering 14 days FREE access. What am I doing wrong? Jacqueline

Since there has been talk recently on ships, etc on the Hamp list, I have a question. I have great grand uncles who are missing from cenus in 1861, although it does list one of the boys Amos Knight, 15, ''up to sea'' born Burpham, West Sussex (I realize this should be on that mailing list.) What would one take that to mean - fishing? mariner? merchant seaman, etc? and where would one locate those records. Perhaps I should join the mariners list? Gail in Ontario -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05

I always take flowers to the cenotaph for "Those who have no-one left to remember them". Kindest regards. Shirley (Aust.) ----- Original Message ----- > They would never have dreamed we would remember them. > > R.I.P. > > Edna n' Ken ~ Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ali Hargreaves" <skylar@tiscali.co.uk> > > Subject: [Ham] Lest We Forget - My Tribute.... > > > > Allow me to make my personal tribute to the following Hampshire men - > all of whom have a place in my family tree - who gave their lives during > the Great War - and to who I owe so much........... > > Sergeant Francis G GARLAND – Royal Garrison Artillery – died at Ypres, > 22 Mar 1917, aged 29 Son of William Henry GARLAND and Alice Sarah (nee > CRABB) of Norman Road, Freemantle, Southampton > > Brothers: Private Albert H GARLAND – Hampshire Regt – died at Gallipoli, > 29 Apr 1915, aged 33 > Gunner Frederick H GARLAND – Royal Garrison Artillery – died > 16 Sep 1916, aged 22 > Gunner Robert H GARLAND – Royal Marine Artillery – died 28 > Sep 1918, aged 17 > All sons of Henry Bown GARLAND and Kate SILLENCE of > Michelmersh > > Private Edward J DIDYMUS – Middlesex Regt - died in France, 12 Apr 1918, > aged 32 Son of Edward John DIDYMUS and Elizabeth Fabian (nee HEWETT) of > Portsea and Southsea > > L/Cpl Henry C SHARP - Hampshire Regt - died in France, 23 Oct 1916, aged > 25 Son of William SHARP and Susan (nee EARWAKER) of Netley/Hedge End > > Brothers: Gnr Frederick C ANDREWS - Royal Marine Artillery - died 31 May > 1916, aged 35 > Gnr Thomas E ANDREWS - Royal Field Artillery - died 18 Feb > 1915, aged 20 > Both sons of William F ANDREWS and Jane (nee SHARP) of > Bishops Waltham > > > All unknown to me, but often remembered and never forgotten.......... > > > Alison HARGREAVES, Swindon, UK > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: > 11/11/2005 > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >

That would be Ecchinswell see http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/hantsgaz/hantsgaz/s0004837.htm Linda and Tony -----Original Message----- From: alan.munford@btinternet.com [mailto:alan.munford@btinternet.com] Sent: 13 November 2005 13:06 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hampshire location - Hilchinswell Trying to help out a colleague on the London list who has a possible ancestor born (1851 census) in what appears to be Hilchinswell in Hampshire. Does anybody recognise this place name (or something like it?) You can see the actual entry on the census on H.O. 107 1492 - the top entry Thanks Alan

What a lovely thing to do Shirley. Jacqueline

How generous and lovely of you. Your post reminded me that last weekend I traveled to Franklin, TN where my daughter and her family live within two or three miles of an old plantation called Carnton. Recently a book has been written called _Widow of the South_, a fiction work based on the life of Carrie Winder McGavock whose husband was the owner of the plantation. During the US Civil War, she personally had the bodies of the dead Confederate soldiers removed from the battlefield where they lay after the Battle of Franklin to her own land at Carnton. There are over two thousand men buried there, some of them with only a number on their marker. Next time I visit I will leave a small tribute of flowers thanks to your post. Of course, theirs was a lost cause athough all to the good for our country, but sad, nonetheless, because brother was killing brother. Anyway, the book is reportedly going to be a best-seller and movie rights have been purchased. You might be interested in reading about this wonderful woman who never remarried and wore black the rest of her life to mourn her boys who were buried on the land with her departed family members. She now rests there as well. Sandy Memphis, TN USA

What a nice thing to do Shirley. Best wishes Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Powley" <powley2@bigpond.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Lest We Forget - My Tribute.... >I always take flowers to the cenotaph for "Those who have no-one left to > remember them". Kindest regards. Shirley (Aust.)