Dear all, I have not given up on finding the birth details of Paul Lavington 1744. ( YET) I have just been told about a thing called Settlement records. Does any body have access to these records in our group. i am hoping that maybe it might just turn up my Paul Lavington born 1744 with his parents father ?????? mother mary Lavington. Just to refresh your memory he married in 1793 in Houghton, Hampshire with his wife and children. Also his mother Mary died there as well in 1808. Just a shot in the dark but I had never heard of Settlement records before. you learn something new every day. Kind regards Jean ( Australia)

Hi Edna, Thank you for this website it is just what I need. The website was last Updated: 9 Aug 04, I have just written to the MOD as this information may have changed, and have asked them to update this website. Address, telephone numbers and information etc., change, especially when it comes to government offices. Walter MALLYON whom I never knew, was my grandfather he fought in Mesopotamia, I would like to get his medal/s if there are any to have. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: [Ham] Ministry of Defence - UK | | | Military Records, etc. - a good site: | | http://www.mod.uk/contacts/army_records.htm | | Edna - Ottawa | | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" | |

Good Day, I have been informed that this poem is the work of Valerie Waite of Derbyshire. I did not have this information when I sent you this delightful poem, which I sincerely regret. Valerie had a book of her poems published in 2003 and another book is to be published soon. Please make sure that the lady's name goes along with the poem. Edna - Ottawa ~~~~~ THE COMPUTER'S SWALLOWED GRANDMA!! The computer's swallowed grandma Yes' honestly' its true She pressed 'control' and 'enter' And disappeared from view. Its devoured her completely The thought just makes me squirm Maybe she's caught a virus Or been eaten by a worm. I've searched through the recycle bin And files of every kind I've even used the internet But nothing did I find. In desperation I asked Jeeves My searches to refine The reply from him was negative Not a thing was found 'online'. So, if inside your 'In Box' My Grandma you should see Please 'Scan', 'Copy' and 'Paste' her In an e-mail back to me by Valerie Waite of Derbyshire

One of the latest objects to join the fascinating displays at Milestones, Hampshire’s Living History Museum, in Basingstoke is a magnificent 1920s soda fountain, complete with all original fittings. The fountain, the real Rolls Royce of carbonated drinks dispensers, was purchased in 1929 by a Mr Grenham, who ran the tea shop at Church Crookham, for the princely sum of £108 12s 6d. The soda fountain was prepared for display by a member of the team of expert conservators working at the Headquarters of the Museums Service in Winchester. The team’s main role is to preserve Hampshire’s history for posterity; prolonging the life of the county’s diverse collections – ranging from historic costume and priceless ceramics to ancient archaeological treasures and works of art. The Soda Fountain joins an amazing selection of over 20,000 everyday objects brought to life at Milestones, home to almost a mile of Victorian and 1930s shops and streets. Visitors won’t miss The Fountain – it has pride of place near the Museum’s main entrance. For details tel 01256 477766 email _stephen.hoadley@hants.gov.uk_ (mailto:stephen.hoadley@hants.gov.uk) Linda & Tony

Hi Gill I am posting this in case it is of any help: Possible father: William Marsh abt 1780 Havant, Hampshire, England Head Portsea Hampshire James Gennblen abt 1850 Landport, Hampshire, England Grandson Portsea Hampshire Fanny Marsh abt 1784 Hambledon, Hampshire, England Wife Portsea Hampshire Is this your William, father of Benjamin? William Marsh abt 1811 Portsea, Hampshire, England Head Portsea Hampshire Carpenters mate RN (is this Royal Navy?) Amelia Marsh abt 1849 Portsea, Hampshire, England Daughter Portsea Hampshire Mary Ann Marsh abt 1816 Portsea, Hampshire, England Wife Portsea Hampshire Mary Ann Marsh abt 1835 Portsea, Hampshire, England Daughter Portsea Hampshire William Marsh abt 1843 Portsea, Hampshire, England Son Portsea Hampshire Jean -----Original Message----- From: Gill Jones [mailto:g.jones@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: 18 November 2005 11:09 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ham] 1851 lookup - MARSH Hi Patricia There were quite a number of men by the name of William Marsh in Portsea - probably related in some way. My gggrandfather William Marsh was a butcher when Benjamin was born in 1837 and a dockyard sawyer in 1859 when Benjamin married. His own parents were William & Fanny Marsh (mar. abt 1805 I think) Thanks for your interest in helping me out. Gill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] 1851 lookup - MARSH > Hello Gill - like Jean I cannot see this Benjamin in 1851 no matter what > search trick I use. Do you have an occupation for William the father? There > are some William's in the area but an occupation might help to identify a > match. > Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > > > > >I would be very grateful if someone could look for a Benjamin Marsh (b. > >1837) in Portsea in the 1851 census. His father was William Marsh and I > >believe that he might have been married twice. This could help me to > >establish whether this was the case. > > Gill > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

Hello Barbara. My grandfather was also in Mesopotamia and I was able to download details of his Medal, for that time, on the National Archives Documents on line.It cost £3.50. I have just looked on the site and put in Walter Mallyon and this came up. Walter T. Mallyon, RASC Private, 1914-1920....could he be yours.? My grandfather was a Regular Soldier from 1902 till 1922.You also find his Army No. in the Medal details, which enables you to send for his full Army Record.I was very lucky,they had survived the last war damage and for £25 I received 8 sides of A4, photo copies of his records, all fully dated. It included full Medical details, his travels,his promotions etc.etc.He left for Mesopotamia Thursday March 18th 1820 and returned Dec.6th 1821. It also included his Next of Kin addresses which helped sort out where my Mother and Grandmother lived at that time. It certainly was the best £25 I have ever spent.This was in 2002 from the MOD Records at Hayes.I believe it is a different address nowadays. Hope this helps, Best wishes Jean in Hampshire.

From later census entries I believe the son George was born c1859/60. The image says 12 but the ages of the parents make this pretty unlikely!! Maybe 12 months?? Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand > Hello, > > This would appear to be him in the 1861 census. > > He does not appear to be in the 1851! > > Regards. > > Michael > > Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish > County/Island > Benjamin Marsh abt 1838 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Head Portsea > Hampshire > Ellen Marsh abt 1840 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Portsea > Hampshire > George B Marsh abt 1849 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Portsea > Hampshire >

Hello Gill - like Jean I cannot see this Benjamin in 1851 no matter what search trick I use. Do you have an occupation for William the father? There are some William's in the area but an occupation might help to identify a match. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. >I would be very grateful if someone could look for a Benjamin Marsh (b. >1837) in Portsea in the 1851 census. His father was William Marsh and I >believe that he might have been married twice. This could help me to >establish whether this was the case. > Gill >

You are most welcome. I just got it from another site. I had the addresses etc. in my files but takes ages to find anything around here. I wrote years ago about my Dad (Edward George Knight 1905-1998); he was sent a medal but must have gotten "lost" as it was sent in Nov. '48 and we had just left the house for move to Canada in Dec. '48/Feb.'49. They gave me lots of information on him all for free but not sure if it's free now. Mesopotamia, would that be the Crimea War? Should be some good sites out there for you. Good Luck, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Ministry of Defence - UK Hi Edna, Thank you for this website it is just what I need. The website was last Updated: 9 Aug 04, I have just written to the MOD as this information may have changed, and have asked them to update this website. Address, telephone numbers and information etc., change, especially when it comes to government offices. Walter MALLYON whom I never knew, was my grandfather he fought in Mesopotamia, I would like to get his medal/s if there are any to have. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: [Ham] Ministry of Defence - UK | | | Military Records, etc. - a good site: | | http://www.mod.uk/contacts/army_records.htm | | Edna - Ottawa | | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on

Hi Patricia There were quite a number of men by the name of William Marsh in Portsea - probably related in some way. My gggrandfather William Marsh was a butcher when Benjamin was born in 1837 and a dockyard sawyer in 1859 when Benjamin married. His own parents were William & Fanny Marsh (mar. abt 1805 I think) Thanks for your interest in helping me out. Gill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] 1851 lookup - MARSH > Hello Gill - like Jean I cannot see this Benjamin in 1851 no matter what > search trick I use. Do you have an occupation for William the father? There > are some William's in the area but an occupation might help to identify a > match. > Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > > > > >I would be very grateful if someone could look for a Benjamin Marsh (b. > >1837) in Portsea in the 1851 census. His father was William Marsh and I > >believe that he might have been married twice. This could help me to > >establish whether this was the case. > > Gill > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 > >

Military Records, etc. - a good site: http://www.mod.uk/contacts/army_records.htm Edna - Ottawa

1752 Bonavista (Newfoundland): William BRENTON, the elder of Sophy (Sopley?), Southampton. His heirs; Miller and William Brenton the younger (son & heir), property to Mortyn HARDING of Sturminster Marshall. Wit: John ROSE & John OAKE, property borders on Lawrence SMITH & George BRENT.

Many thanks Michael. Very helpful. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dummer [mailto:michael.dummer@btinternet.com] Sent: 17 November 2005 17:58 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Re: Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants The National Index of Parish Registers has the following entry: Stockbridge (Independent) Salem Chapel (founded 1814, closed by 1925?). Original Registers c1825-1836 Public Record Office (PRO) (RG4/625). Microfilm c1825-1836 PRO, Hampshire Record Office, Salt Lake City. Modern Copies Extracts c1815 -1836 IGI. Regards, Michael Dummer (Researching Dummers) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my > JEWELL > children were baptised there. > > Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary > KNELLER wed in this church. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Jean > > All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software > > ______________________________ ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE LIST!

Thanks Michael and Jean ... for the references for Benjamin Marsh. I have a copy of his first marriage certificate for 1859 and I had been told a long time ago that he had possibly been married three times. These references seem to confirm this. Marriage 2 in 1875 not long after my grandmother was born in 1872 (her mother died when she was born). Marriage 3 in 1882. Also his death in 1882. Again I had been told that he had died when my grandmother was about 10. Benjamin's father William Marsh was born about 1811 and his mother was Honor Hunebun Marsh nee Bleathman. I had found a reference to a William Marsh born about this date but married to Mary Ann ? I wasn't sure if this was a red herring or not. I had hoped to find out with the 1851 census. Thanks anyway. I shall have to have a re think. Gill

The National Index of Parish Registers has the following entry: Stockbridge (Independent) Salem Chapel (founded 1814, closed by 1925?). Original Registers c1825-1836 Public Record Office (PRO) (RG4/625). Microfilm c1825-1836 PRO, Hampshire Record Office, Salt Lake City. Modern Copies Extracts c1815 -1836 IGI. Regards, Michael Dummer (Researching Dummers) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my > JEWELL > children were baptised there. > > Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary > KNELLER wed in this church. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Jean > > All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software > > ______________________________

Many thanks for this Alan. The baptisms are on the IGI as that is where I found them. I appreciate your help. Jean > > From: "Alan McGowan" <mcgoa@lineone.net> > Date: 2005/11/16 Wed PM 09:02:13 GMT > To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > > To add to David Parker's notes: > > The 1851 Religious Census lists the chapel as Salem Chapel, Independent, and > states that it was erected in 1817 in lieu of a house opened 1812. Kelly's > Directory 1899 lists it as a Congregational Chapel. The chapel is not > listed in Kelly's Directory 1923. > > As David says, marriages between 1753 and 1837 would have taken place in an > Anglican church. Marriages in the chapel may have started sometime during > the 19th century, but any marriages before 1898 would have been conducted in > the presence of a Registrar, and recorded in the registers of the relevant > Register Office. > > Baptism registers 1815-1836 for the chapel are at The National Archives > under reference RG 4/625. The entries should be in the IGI / Family Search. > > Alan McGowan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:48 PM > Subject: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > > > Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my JEWELL > children were baptised there. > > Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary > KNELLER wed in this church. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Jean > > All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Hi Linda and Tony I see you have some Alverstoke PR's, unfortunatley I do not know which Church but I wondered if it would please be possible for you to find a marriage that took place in Alverstoke on the 14th Jul 1744 of EDWARD POWELL and SARAH MARSH and give me the details thank you. I was not lucky enough to find it on your website Cheers Lesley Potter Please visit my website:- http://www.lesleeztreez.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:27 AM Subject: [Ham] .knightroots > > These are the list of resources we have ie parish register fiche for > anyone > that might be having problems accessing our site. > Linda and Tony > > > > GOSPORT & ALVERSTOKE > Alverstoke St Faith Mission C 1902-1929 > Alverstoke St Mary's Church CMB 1559-1812; C 1813 - 1911; M > 1754-1834 > (part); M 1837- 1919; B 1813-1975 > We have produced an alphabetical Index of 1714-1925 Alverstoke > burials > - these are OFFLINE but with the FULL details > Anns Hill Cemetery (B 1855 - 1953) These have ALL been indexed by > ourselves but are OFFLINE > Christ Church C 1881 - 1939; M 1913-1940 > Elson St. Thomas' C 1845 - 1926 ; M 1846-1930; B 1846-1927 > Forton St. Lukes Mission Church C 1900 - 1913 > Forton St. John's Church C 1840 - 1924; M 1841-1940; B 1841-1879 > Gosport Holy Trinity Church CMB 1708 - 1754; CB 1735-1812; C > 1813-1925; > M & BANNS 1754-1792; M 1792-1929 ; > B 1813-1902 > Gosport Methodist Circuit C 1878 - 1904 (partially online) > Gosport St. Matthew's C 1846 - 1950; M 1846-1950 > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > Please visit my website:- http://www.lesleeztreez.com

Hi Jean, Independent Churches could carry out Baptisms, but could not carry out Marriages for their Parishioners or Burials. Independent Churches also had their own magazine. My MALLYON family were Independent Church members in Cranbrook, Kent. I was able to get copies of the Baptisms from the Centre for Kentish Studies (Record Office), Maidstone. There were two Baptisms to a page. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants Many thanks David for your interesting reply to my message. Funnily enough, I contacted the Stockbridge Council website and they replied saying they had never heard of this Church!!! Jean -----Original Message----- From: DAVID PARKER [mailto:parker3250@rogers.com] Sent: 15 November 2005 22:19 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants Not much help but White's 1851 Directory reads 'There is an independent chapel in the town, built in 1817 at the cost of £900. The "Independents" as such were Congregationalists, but an independent chapel was not necessarily a Congregationalist Chapel as Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist and others all called some of their chapels independent, meaning independent of the established church. Such were known as "dissenters". (Roman Catholics, also "dissenters" were known as "Recusants".) Members of "independent" churches were known to change chapels and at times revert back to the established Church A few possibly interesting facts on non-conformist marriage The Toleration Act of 1689 allowed Protestant Dissenters to worship on Licensed premises Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753 all marriages had to take place in an Anglican Church until 1837. at which time the Dissenters' Marriage Bill, 1836, legalised civil marriage and established a civil register of births, marriages and deaths, breaking the Anglican monopoly in recording these Finally the Marriage Act of 1849 permitted marriages in other than the Established Church David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants > Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my JEWELL > children were baptised there. > > Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary > KNELLER wed in this church. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Jean > > All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes.

Hello, This would appear to be him in the 1861 census. He does not appear to be in the 1851! Regards. Michael Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Benjamin Marsh abt 1838 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Head Portsea Hampshire Ellen Marsh abt 1840 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Portsea Hampshire George B Marsh abt 1849 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Portsea Hampshire > > > I would be very grateful if someone could look for a Benjamin Marsh (b. > 1837) in Portsea in the 1851 census. His father was William Marsh and I > believe that he might have been married twice. This could help me to > establish whether this was the case. > Gill > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 > >

To add to David Parker's notes: The 1851 Religious Census lists the chapel as Salem Chapel, Independent, and states that it was erected in 1817 in lieu of a house opened 1812. Kelly's Directory 1899 lists it as a Congregational Chapel. The chapel is not listed in Kelly's Directory 1923. As David says, marriages between 1753 and 1837 would have taken place in an Anglican church. Marriages in the chapel may have started sometime during the 19th century, but any marriages before 1898 would have been conducted in the presence of a Registrar, and recorded in the registers of the relevant Register Office. Baptism registers 1815-1836 for the chapel are at The National Archives under reference RG 4/625. The entries should be in the IGI / Family Search. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <jean1.williams@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: [Ham] Salem-Independent, Stockbridge,Hants Can anyone tell about this church? What religion was it? Some of my JEWELL children were baptised there. Would there be any marriage records possible Benjamin JEWELL and Mary KNELLER wed in this church. Many thanks for any help. Jean All Outgoing Messages are scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software