Hi again Carol - boy, I have pretty much lost track of this thread as well!! Hope this is where we were up to - 1851 Greywell 53 Greywell Street George WHITE 50 Ag lab. B Northboro, Hants Martha 50 B Greywell William 22 Ag lab. B Greywell James 12. B Greywell. 1841 Greywell George WHITE 40 Ag lab Martha 40 William 11 Elizabeth 9 Mary 7 James 10 months. Sorry it doesn't advance your search a great deal but hope it adds a little to the picture. Cheers, Patsy > Hi, Patricia: > > It would be great to get George and Martha on the 1851 Census. > I am so busy with some other families that sometimes, it is hard to catch > up with all of my other families. > > Greatly appreciated. > > Carol > Langley, B.C.

Had an interesting chat last night with Dad about Dolly blue and washing in the 1930's all flesh on the bones for us who have missed out. Linda and Tony In a message dated 26/11/05 17:27:43 GMT Standard Time, ekbrit@rogers.com writes: Good to hear that your older ones are interested. Was at the Dr. the other day and heard a good discussion of genealogy between two elders, it was nice to hear. All the best, Edna - Ottawa

Descendants of James Fancey 1 James Fancey b: circ. 1794 in Alverstoke, Hampshire Baptism: 22 Apr 1794 Holy Trinity Church, Gosport d: Oct 1853 in Gosport Burial: 10 Oct 1853 Holy Trinity Church, Gosport . +Harriet Rivers b: circ. 1796 in Alverstoke m: 27 Aug 1815 in Alverstoke ... 2 Mary Ann Fancy b: 1818 in Gosport, Alvertstoke ... 2 James Joseph Fancy b: 1820 in Alverstoke Baptism: 05 Mar 1820 Alverstoke ... 2 John Thomas Fancey b: 1826 ... 2 Elizabeth Ann Fancy b: 1832 ... 2 Anne Fancy b: 1834 in Gosport, Alverstoke, Hampshire Baptism: 11 May 1834 Alverstoke, Hampshire d: 25 May 1886 in Southsea, Hampshire - 51 Clarence Parade Burial: 27 May 1886 Highland Rd. Cemetery ....... +William Hellyer b: 27 Aug 1829 in Portsea, Hampshire m: 20 Feb 1853 in St. Judes Church, Portsea, Portsmouth, County Southampton d: 04 Jun 1885 in Southsea, Hampshire - 51 Clarence Parade Burial: 07 Jun 1885 Highland Rd. Cemetery - Plot N, Row 30, Grave 17 ... 2 Ellen Rosina Fancy b: 1836 ... 2 Emma Fancy b: 1839 from Edna - Ottawa ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Almond" <madgefancy@hotmail.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: [Ham] ALVERSTOKE - 1841 Census Look up Dear Listers, Could anyone help me with a look up in the 1841 census for Alverstoke please. I am looking for the where abouts of James and Harriett FANCY/FANCEY, and their children. James, b c. 1795, Harriett, b c. 1796, Amelia, b c. 1817 and John T, b c. 1827, all born at Gosport Thanks in advance Maria ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

Good to hear that your older ones are interested. Was at the Dr. the other day and heard a good discussion of genealogy between two elders, it was nice to hear. All the best, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Lane" <liz_lane@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Genealogy means ~~~ Ray, and Edna, Thanks for some thought-provoking discussion. Have had the Seven Sisters of Eve on top of my reading pile for a year now - must try harder! In our family, the 3 cousins who are family history folk are all the eldest of our families - so that's another theory disproved! Only 2 of us have children to pass all the history on to, too. Best wishes, Liz At 21:28 25/11/2005, you wrote: >Dear Edna, >Thank you very much for that. It is a complete expression of what we are >all >seeking. >Being 72, I saw that film as a youngster when it first came in the early >1940sto the silver screen. >I shall have to get the dvd of it out of the local library and view it >again. >I would not have thought that authors of that time (early 1940s film of the >book) had that insight into the 'chain' of humankind. >It is very topical in view of the research by Prof. Sykes of Oxford >University who has developed a means of tracing anyone's DNA back as far as >possible. He discovered by this means that the 'Ice Man' (5000 years in the >snows of the Alps) was related to one of his research assistants. It's all >in his book "The Seven Daughters of Eve", which I have out of the local >Library. > >Also, with regard to your 'Storytellers' e-mail, I have a feeling that it >is >usually the youngest of a family who pursues genealogy. I could be wrong, >but there tends to be that evidence near me. Elizabeth Lane Worthing West Sussex liz_lane@ntlworld.com ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers"

Well one youngest and one eldest here). Linda and Tony

Thanks Jo - it's Joan who is after these entries. Hopefully she will see your message and respond. Cheers, Patsy. > For Patsy, who's looking for Louisa M HALL on the 1871 & 1881 census in > Winchester. > > Hi Patsy, I found Louisa M WALL on the 1871 and 1881 census , living in > Winchester with her parents. I should think this is who you are looking > for. Email > me if you want the images. best wishes Jo > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > >

Dear Edna, Thank you very much for that. It is a complete expression of what we are all seeking. Being 72, I saw that film as a youngster when it first came in the early 1940sto the silver screen. I shall have to get the dvd of it out of the local library and view it again. I would not have thought that authors of that time (early 1940s film of the book) had that insight into the 'chain' of humankind. It is very topical in view of the research by Prof. Sykes of Oxford University who has developed a means of tracing anyone's DNA back as far as possible. He discovered by this means that the 'Ice Man' (5000 years in the snows of the Alps) was related to one of his research assistants. It's all in his book "The Seven Daughters of Eve", which I have out of the local Library. Also, with regard to your 'Storytellers' e-mail, I have a feeling that it is usually the youngest of a family who pursues genealogy. I could be wrong, but there tends to be that evidence near me. Kind regards, Ray Christmas in New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:41 AM Subject: [Ham] Genealogy means ~~~ > >From Richard Llewellyn's 'How Green Was My Valley' -- a B&W movie was made > some years ago: > > "..I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me, those who are to come. > I looked back and saw my father, and his father, and all our fathers, and in > front to see my son, and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond. And their > eyes were my eyes. As I felt so they felt, and we are to feel, as then, so > now, as tomorrow and forever. Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long > line that had no beginning and no end. And the hand of his father grasped my > father's hand, and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right > hand, and all up and down the line which stretched from Time That Was, to > Time That Is, and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link, and we > found that we were one born of woman, son of man made in the Image...." > > Edna - sunny, snowy Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. >

Hi Joan - I may not have this right but if your Charles CARTER is a cooper, b 1849c, is he the one in Winchester in 1891 with a 25 yr old wife Louisa M and daughter Ethel? And then is Louisa M (b Winchester c1867) in Abingdon, Berkshire with 2 children in 1901, Ethel and Charles? If so, it hasn't helped the search a great deal as I cannot find a definite match for this Louisa in earlier censuses either. The nearest possibility is a Louisa HALL b 1864c Northington. In 1881 this Louisa is a servant in Swarraton. These places appear to be quite near Winchester. This Louisa's birth appears to be registered in 1864 in Alresford. Sorry not to be more positive on this. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. >I am trying to find record of the marriage of Louisa May HALL born 1849 >(her > place of birth, on her son Charles birth certificate is Winchester-but > there > is no trace of her on the Hampshire census prior to 1891) to > Charles CARTER born in Chawton, Hampshire 1849 > > Joan Carter > >

Edna, that was brilliant! I know you didn't write it but thank you for putting in on the list. It's *so* moving..... Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: [Ham] Genealogy means ~~~ > >From Richard Llewellyn's 'How Green Was My Valley' -- a B&W movie was > >made > some years ago: > > "..I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me, those who are to > come. > I looked back and saw my father, and his father, and all our fathers, and > in > front to see my son, and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond. And their > eyes were my eyes. As I felt so they felt, and we are to feel, as then, so > now, as tomorrow and forever. Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long > line that had no beginning and no end. And the hand of his father grasped > my > father's hand, and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right > hand, and all up and down the line which stretched from Time That Was, to > Time That Is, and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link, and we > found that we were one born of woman, son of man made in the Image...." > > Edna - sunny, snowy Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. >

Genealogical Dictionary: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randyj2222/gendict.html Edna - Ottawa

For Patsy, who's looking for Louisa M HALL on the 1871 & 1881 census in Winchester. Hi Patsy, I found Louisa M WALL on the 1871 and 1881 census , living in Winchester with her parents. I should think this is who you are looking for. Email me if you want the images. best wishes Jo

Hi, Only wish I'd written it... Hope the list managers do not mind these little snippets as the lists are slow right now. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanne mccormick" <jeanne.andbob@virgin.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Genealogy means ~~~ Edna, that was brilliant! I know you didn't write it but thank you for putting in on the list. It's *so* moving..... Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: [Ham] Genealogy means ~~~ > >From Richard Llewellyn's 'How Green Was My Valley' -- a B&W movie was > >made > some years ago: > > "..I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me, those who are to > come. > I looked back and saw my father, and his father, and all our fathers, and > in > front to see my son, and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond. And their > eyes were my eyes. As I felt so they felt, and we are to feel, as then, so > now, as tomorrow and forever. Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long > line that had no beginning and no end. And the hand of his father grasped > my > father's hand, and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right > hand, and all up and down the line which stretched from Time That Was, to > Time That Is, and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link, and we > found that we were one born of woman, son of man made in the Image...." > > Edna - sunny, snowy Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE LIST!

From Richard Llewellyn's 'How Green Was My Valley' -- a B&W movie was made some years ago: "..I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me, those who are to come. I looked back and saw my father, and his father, and all our fathers, and in front to see my son, and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond. And their eyes were my eyes. As I felt so they felt, and we are to feel, as then, so now, as tomorrow and forever. Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long line that had no beginning and no end. And the hand of his father grasped my father's hand, and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right hand, and all up and down the line which stretched from Time That Was, to Time That Is, and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link, and we found that we were one born of woman, son of man made in the Image...." Edna - sunny, snowy Ottawa

Hi, I think it expresses exactly how we all feel and people who do not pursue this hobby really do not understand. All the best, Edna - sunny, snowy Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Parker" <jeanparker@internode.on.net> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] The StoryTellers. Dear Enda, I have often been asked why I do family research and i have never been able to express myself truely as to why. After reading this "the Story Tellers" that seems to explain just what is in my heart. Many thanks Jean Parker ( South Australia) -------Original Message------- From: Edna Date: 11/24/05 07:58:55 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] The StoryTellers. from Edna ~ snowy Ottawa ~~~~~~~~~ The StoryTellers. (Unknown Author) We are the chosen. My feelings are that in each family there is one who seems called to find their ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the storytellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who I am, and why do I do the things that I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery, about to be lost forever to weeds, and indifference, and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone, and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us: that we might be born who we are: that we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those, young, and old, to step up and put flesh on the bones. ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes. ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers"

Patsy Thank you for your prompt reply. The quoted Hall family are my husbands family, but I am unable to find Louisa prior to the 1891 census when she is married to Charles Carter. I did find a Louisa Hall on the 1881 with the same birth year living in Portsea, Hampshire born in Lucknow, India but I am unable to find further information as her Mother, Hannah is a widow born in Ireland and does not appear on any other census. I feel that this may be the Louisa. Winchester is an army barrack centre and her father may have been a soldier based in Winchester. He may then have been based in Lucknow. There were Irish Regiments with many Irish soldiers serving in India. The second clue is my husbands' father was named Charles Roseberry Gladstone. Gladstone advocated Home Rule for Ireland, but until I can find the marriage certificate verifying her mothers name I will not be able make progress. Joan

Dear Enda, I have often been asked why I do family research and i have never been able to express myself truely as to why. After reading this "the Story Tellers" that seems to explain just what is in my heart. Many thanks Jean Parker ( South Australia) -------Original Message------- From: Edna Date: 11/24/05 07:58:55 To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] The StoryTellers. from Edna ~ snowy Ottawa ~~~~~~~~~ The StoryTellers. (Unknown Author) We are the chosen. My feelings are that in each family there is one who seems called to find their ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the storytellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who I am, and why do I do the things that I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery, about to be lost forever to weeds, and indifference, and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone, and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us: that we might be born who we are: that we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those, young, and old, to step up and put flesh on the bones. ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes.

Hi, Patricia: It would be great to get George and Martha on the 1851 Census. I am so busy with some other families that sometimes, it is hard to catch up with all of my other families. Greatly appreciated. Carol Langley, B.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] WHITES IN HAMPSHIRE > Hi Carol - did you get George and Martha in 1851? and do you have them in > 1841? Happy to send details if you don't already have them. (No John with > them in either). > Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. > > >> Thank for your reply regarding Whites in Hampshire. Regarding George >> White is marriage - I was given the information from my cousin in >> England. So I am hoping that the information was correct. >> >> I know for sure that one of his sons was John White born abt. 1822 in >> Greywell, Hampshire. So what I am hoping for if I can find John in some >> census perhaps with his father and mother, then I know for sure that we >> have the correct George >> >> Thanks >> >> Carol >> > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > >

from Edna ~ snowy Ottawa ~~~~~~~~~ The StoryTellers. (Unknown Author) We are the chosen. My feelings are that in each family there is one who seems called to find their ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the storytellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who I am, and why do I do the things that I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery, about to be lost forever to weeds, and indifference, and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone, and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us: that we might be born who we are: that we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those, young, and old, to step up and put flesh on the bones.

I am trying to find record of the marriage of Louisa May HALL born 1849 (her place of birth, on her son Charles birth certificate is Winchester-but there is no trace of her on the Hampshire census prior to 1891) to Charles CARTER born in Chawton, Hampshire 1849 Joan Carter

I'm researching a member of my wife's extended family, a gentleman by the name of Edward Antony Minchin (1892-1972) and seek any advice or assistance listers might be able to offer. He moved to the Hamble area perhaps after WW2, where he was a farmer and race horse owner. It appears he developed blindness and later moved to live with his daughter Mrs Melanie Yeaman in Southampton, where he died in 1972. Mrs Yeaman may still be alive though doesn't appear in the BT online directory. I'm aware there may be some privacy issues here if Mrs. Yeaman is still alive, but I thought I would at least start the ball rolling this way. Any suggestions welcome. Rod Smith Wellington New Zealand