1851 Census, Hampshire HO107/1660 Household 42 2 Sprents Yard Page 24 Alverstoke, St. Matthews, Gosport Folio 268 On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Elizabeth Kipp wrote: > > Ellen Butler abt 1830 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter > Alverstoke Hampshire > Frederick Butler abt 1835 Gosport, Hampshire, England Son > Alverstoke Hampshire > Sarah Butler abt 1795 Gosport, Hampshire, England Wife > Alverstoke Hampshire > William Butler abt 1798 Warsash, Hampshire, England Head > Alverstoke Hampshire > > William is a waterman as is Frederick. > > > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Carol T wrote: > >> Hello Listers, >> >> If SKS has access to the 1851 Census would they be kind >> enough to look for >> entries for >> >> BUTLER, Sarah born Gosport with an age between 56 and 66 (bn c 1785 and >> 1795) >> >> I have a baptism at Gosport in 1786 that I believe is the right Sarah (nee >> Boyt) and a >> burial in 1853 of a Sarah Butler aged 58 at Alverstoke, which could be her >> (with a >> incorrect age at death). > > -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca

Ellen Butler abt 1830 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire Frederick Butler abt 1835 Gosport, Hampshire, England Son Alverstoke Hampshire Sarah Butler abt 1795 Gosport, Hampshire, England Wife Alverstoke Hampshire William Butler abt 1798 Warsash, Hampshire, England Head Alverstoke Hampshire William is a waterman as is Frederick. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Carol T wrote: > Hello Listers, > > If SKS has access to the 1851 Census would they be kind enough to look for > entries for > > BUTLER, Sarah born Gosport with an age between 56 and 66 (bn c 1785 and 1795) > > I have a baptism at Gosport in 1786 that I believe is the right Sarah (nee Boyt) and a > burial in 1853 of a Sarah Butler aged 58 at Alverstoke, which could be her (with a > incorrect age at death). -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca

I would do a lookup in all census 1851 - 1901 for Hampshire (including the Isle of Wight) for one family (I would do a complete sweep of the census from 1851 to 1901, unfortunately I do not have the 1841 census for Hampshire yet but would do the same in Dorset, Wiltshire, Somerset or Devon and include the 1841 census if anyone preferred that). I would just need to know as much as possible about the family in 1901. Or I live in Ottawa, Canada so could look up items in the archives if that is something that would be preferred. In return I would really appreciate it if someone could look up Joseph Blake in the Andover register. His date of baptism from the BVRI 2nd ed is 21 Oct 1730 and his parents Thomas Blake and Ann. (A Thomas Blake and Ann Carter are married at Penton Mewsey 8 Sep 1728 or are Thomas and Ann married at Andover where Joseph is baptized? Several times I have found that the LDS have a marriage at Andover and Penton Mewsey for the same couple. Both Blake and Carter are fairly common names in Hampshire. Do they have other children?). Joseph's marriage to Joanna King is in the Upper Clatford Register 8 Jun 1757. The Upper Clatford register says that Joseph's abode is Andover. None of the Blake children in this family received the name Joseph (Joseph died when he was 37 years old). His son Thomas is my great great great grandfather. Joseph is common in the Blake families in Wiltshire and Somerset and not so common in Hampshire anyway. On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > Hi all whoever and wherever you are in the world. > How about we suggest 2 things to start things going on the lists. > 1. We ALL ask for something to be checked on or smashed down in the > genealogical sense of course) and each time someone does that that person gets a > favour returned for them in the form of a look up or a name and it keeps on going > so we all get something out of .......call it santa arriving early! > > 2. We ALL post a family history story of some sort of our own fact of course > we all have at least one. -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca

Hi Carole Hopefully I have managed to send the entry I think is yours. Regards Tricia from Somerset

Hi Well, here is my brick wall/puzzle Thomas BURDEKIN married Mary WALLIS at ALVERSTOKE on 28 March 1799. They had 2 daughters, Jane bapt. Feb 1799 & Mary bap. 5 June 1801. I have seen the original entry for the marriage and there is no other information. But, I am sure that Thomas came from Derbyshire. I have a Thomas BURDEKIN who joined the Militia around 1793 in Hartington, Derbys., and somewhere (forgotten where I saw it) it said he went into the naval services. I was surprised by this as there isn't any sea around Derbyshire! I don't suppose there is any way I can find out what happened to him, or his family? Is anyone else reseaching Alverstoke? I keep hoping that I can visit and look around the churchyard, but haven't managed it as yet. I would love to be able to claim him, as I have a description of the Thomas that joined the militia. Regards Tricia from Somerset I

Hello Bob she was married as HUBSDELL. We have all the censuses for Frances 1841-71 also the parish register entry for her marriage in Alverstoke. She died in 1879. The tricky bit are her parents and/or brother and sisters etc. Hope this helps explain a bit. Linda and Tony Can you just confirm that she was married in 1856 if so to who as I can't understand how you know when lived in Gosport without a surname of a spouse ?? Bob

Come on now folks where are you all? This is an opportunity to show some of your missing links and to maybe have closure on them with a bit of help from our friends on the list. The door is open to share your resources from all over whenever and wherever possible (subject to copyright). Any connections that involve the areas on the list somewhere on the line and end up somewhere else on the line can be included. Share and share alike and let's all help someone in exchange for helping we should be preared to help that person who helped in some way with their family history. We are worldwide based so the world is our oyster. Advice could be a starter for some... Take care and look forward to seeing you all Linda and Tony

Bob -- did he leave a Will and was it Probated, might give a hint that he died at Sea. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] List Motivation Hello fellow Listers Well in the spirit of a communal list cooperation search as suggested by Linda and Tony I put my problem to you. I have a disappearing ancestor by the name of Stephen NEWELL. As you will see from my notes he is never at home when the census is taken apart from his first year of marriage in the 1861. In 1871 it looks as if he is working and residing at Rushet Common listed as Henry Stephen NEWELL. This is not unusual as on his son Henry's birth certificate he is Stephen NEWELL and on his sons marriage Certificate in 1893 he is Henry Stephen The last sighting of him apart from the 1881 Census when he is working and probably residing at St Johns College at Hurstpeirpoint Sussex as head baker. This is where the problem begins as his wife lists him in the 1881 Portsmouth census as a seaman. Also in The 1891 his wife lists him as a merchant seaman. Question where did he go to after 1881, as I cannot even find his death details, or have I got it all terribly wrong. Suggestions please Birth 26 Feb 1838 Stedham Sussex Parents James and Prescilla Nee WEEKS. Marriage 1 Jan 1861 Milland Chapel, District of Trotton, Sussex. Occ Baker, to Mary BOXALL b Milland or Toxclith Sussex both of full age. 1861 Census Age RG 9/145 Page 7 Sched 35 Residence 35 Milland Lane,Garden House. Trotton, Sussex. Stephen NEWELL, Head, M, Age 24, Grocer and Baker, b Stedham, Sussex. Mary, Wife, Age 27, b Trotton, Sussex. 1871 Census RG10/825 Sched 22 page 23 Bramley, Surrey. Residence Rushet Common. Henry S NEWELL, Servant, M, Age 37, Bread Baker Dom Serv, b Stedham. Possibly lodging and working as bread baker at 22 Rushet Common, Bramley, Surrey. 1871 Census RG 10/814 page 16, Godalming Parish, Farncombe village, Ecl District St John the Evangelist Farncombe. Mary and family on their own at Residence 77 Nightingale Rd. Mary NEWELL Head,M, age 32, b Milland Mary Louisa, Dau, Age 8, Scholar, b Milland Emily, Dau, Age 5, Scholar, b Brighton Harry, Son, Age 3, b Portsmouth Alfred, Son, Age 1, b Brighton Thomas BOXALL, Brother, Age 30, Bricklayers Labourer, b Milland 1881 Census RG 11/1066 Folio 78 Page 1 Cuckfield, St Johns College, Hurstpierpoint Stephen NEWELL, Serv, M, Age 44, Head Baker Dom Serv, b Stedham, Sussex. 1881 Census RG 11/1143 Page 38 Sched 183 Wife Mary and family living Residence 18 Arnaud St, Portsea. Mary NEWELL, Head, Age 40, Seamans Wife, b Brighton Louisa, Dau, Age 18, Machinist Stay maker, b Brighton Emily, Dau, Age 14, Machinist Stay Maker, b Brighton Henry, Son, Age 12, Scholar, b Porstmouth Alfred, Son, Age 10, Scholar, b Brighton Eva, Dau, Age 9, Scholar, b Godalming.Surrey Kate, Dau, Age 7, Scholar, b Cranleigh Surrey 1891 Census RG 12/870 Sched 49 Page 89 Portsea, Municipal ward St Paul, Ecl District St Michael and All Saints. Residence 13 Durham St. Mary NEWELL, Head, Age 51, Wife of Merchant Seaman, b Petersfield Walter NUTBOURNE, Lodger,S, Age 25, Milk Carrier, b Chichester. Frederick STILES, Lodger, S, Age 17, Grocers Ass, b Portsmouth. 1901 Census RG 13/1007 Sched 239 Page 129 Portsmouth Ecl Parish St Bartholamews. Havlock Ward Residence 42 Harold Rd Mary NEWELL, Head, Age 62, Needleworker. Caroline MARTIN, Widow, Age 76 Needleworker,b Portsmouth Grace, Dau, S, Age 36, Needleworker, b Portsmouth. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Well we have scratched our heads into a pile of sawdust here with a small problem! We have a CLARK family and this is where the fun starts. Frances CLARK was born 1836/7 in Southampton marries in 1856 so isn't a CLARK and was living in Gosport from there on. Before that in the 1841 and 1851 census she is living with her grandparents in Titchfield. Frances father was exactly the same christian names as her grandfather (from marriage) and we have no idea where her parents were born and whom the mother was as no sign on IGI or BMD either! Going back again to the 1841 there were some extra family members but we cannot add them to the tree as we are unable to establish whether they were brother and sister of Frances or Aunt and Uncle fun eh. Well the grandparents of Frances were not on the 1861 admittedly they would be in their late 70's in age so here we are in the tree with a part CLARK absence and a kind of hole in the shoe so to speak. If someone can help we would be ever so gratefully pleased. Thanks Linda and Tony

For more information see http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/L/lostgeneration/index.html Linda and Tony

Hope you're watching Channel 4 8- 9pm Not Forgotten.? Linda and Tony

Great grandmother apparently had smallpox when living in India (not sure of her age when). She survived and passed on her memories of how she eradicated any pock marks by rubbing in olive oil. Has anyone else heard of tis? Just a thought to one family story. Linda and Tony

Hi all whoever and wherever you are in the world. How about we suggest 2 things to start things going on the lists. 1. We ALL ask for something to be checked on or smashed down in the genealogical sense of course) and each time someone does that that person gets a favour returned for them in the form of a look up or a name and it keeps on going so we all get something out of .......call it santa arriving early! 2. We ALL post a family history story of some sort of our own fact of course we all have at least one. Look forward to seeing you all. Take care,Linda and Tony

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Hi all here are a few closures coming up to those of you who aren't aware we will send in several e-mails (although not Hampshire we feel it might be missed or time wasted by some if you aren't aware). Take care,Linda and Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE VENABLES" <avxed@ANGLESEY.GOV.UK> To: <ARCHIVES-NRA@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: closure The Anglesey County Record Office will be open afternoons only every second Tuesday of the month starting 13 December. Please could you bring this to the attention of people intending to visit. Thank you Anne Anne Venables Archifdy Ynys Môn/Anglesey County Record Office Shirehall Lôn Glanhwfa/Glanhwfa Rd. Llangefni Ynys Môn/Isle of Anglesey LL77 7TW

Dear Listers, Could anyone help me with a look up in the 1841 census for Alverstoke please. I am looking for the where abouts of James and Harriett FANCY/FANCEY, and their children. James, b c. 1795, Harriett, b c. 1796, Amelia, b c. 1817 and John T, b c. 1827, all born at Gosport Thanks in advance Maria

Hello All, I have recently joined the list to see if I can find out more about my JEFFERY family and the village of Medstead itself. My GG Grandfather was Henry JEFFERY born 1823 s/o Paul and Hannah Jeffery. Henry moved away from the family quite early on and married Mary ROBINS in Wootton, Northants in 1852 before settling in Walsall, Staffordshire in the mid 1850's. My GGG Grandparents were Paul JEFFERY born 1776 s/o James JEFFERY and Mary BUDD. Paul married Hannah. I have no definite proof yet but he may have married Hannah MARSHALL at Froxfield. James Jeffery was born c1739, perhaps in Alton. He married Mary BUDD who was the d/o William BUDD and Mary GARDINER. I would love to hear from anyone with connections to the families mentioned. Regards, Judy

Ray, and Edna, Thanks for some thought-provoking discussion. Have had the Seven Sisters of Eve on top of my reading pile for a year now - must try harder! In our family, the 3 cousins who are family history folk are all the eldest of our families - so that's another theory disproved! Only 2 of us have children to pass all the history on to, too. Best wishes, Liz At 21:28 25/11/2005, you wrote: >Dear Edna, >Thank you very much for that. It is a complete expression of what we are all >seeking. >Being 72, I saw that film as a youngster when it first came in the early >1940sto the silver screen. >I shall have to get the dvd of it out of the local library and view it >again. >I would not have thought that authors of that time (early 1940s film of the >book) had that insight into the 'chain' of humankind. >It is very topical in view of the research by Prof. Sykes of Oxford >University who has developed a means of tracing anyone's DNA back as far as >possible. He discovered by this means that the 'Ice Man' (5000 years in the >snows of the Alps) was related to one of his research assistants. It's all >in his book "The Seven Daughters of Eve", which I have out of the local >Library. > >Also, with regard to your 'Storytellers' e-mail, I have a feeling that it is >usually the youngest of a family who pursues genealogy. I could be wrong, >but there tends to be that evidence near me. Elizabeth Lane Worthing West Sussex liz_lane@ntlworld.com