I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel Islands Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex I will glance some more. Elizabeth Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one John > GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The only > other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother Mary > Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. > > Any help on this please > > Bob Newell > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > >

Hello Elizabeth you can purchase the fiche from the Hampshire Records Office via credit card for Canada but not in UK. When we last purchased them they were £2.50 each and extra for envelopes and extra for postage but might be more mow. We have 37 individual fiche for the christenings and marriages mentioned earlier. Of course you can purchase them yourself just got spare time and with the fiche machine here sitting idle and the fiche getting dusty through lack of use need to do their it.. No problem to check but if you prefer to verify yourself quite understand. See what you think? Linda and Tony : I will > buy the fiche for Andover and just need to discover where to purchase. I

Thank you but do not go to a lot of extra trouble - just if it is in your path. I really do not mind owning all these fiche. I have a fiche reader right beside me as I work. The microfilm is harder to deal with as I have to take it along with my portable to the library to trascribe and Bishops Nympton has been waiting patiently for a little while now. I really want to look as it will permit me to sort out the Pincombes in the 1500s and 1600s! I think I know the path but it is so much nicer to have the parish register facts. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > > > Don't purchase the fiche we have no look ups to do so will checkand see what > we can find Elizabeth. > One good turn deserves another. > Linda and Tony > > There must be many BLAKE entries for Andover 1877 - 1935 and I have not > even begun to sort out the families. It would be a gigantic task! I will > buy the fiche for Andover and just need to discover where to purchase. I > would cover the time period (1685 - 1714 and 1714 - 1783 both CMB) and > likely order the rest. As I draw out family members from these baptismal > fiche I always end up wanting to have them all myself since you end up > with several more surnames to look up as you work your way back! > > This is a great idea though as we all likely have many different resources > and can help with that strategic lookup that carries us back or sideways > whichever is preferred! > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > >

Don't purchase the fiche we have no look ups to do so will checkand see what we can find Elizabeth. One good turn deserves another. Linda and Tony There must be many BLAKE entries for Andover 1877 - 1935 and I have not even begun to sort out the families. It would be a gigantic task! I will buy the fiche for Andover and just need to discover where to purchase. I would cover the time period (1685 - 1714 and 1714 - 1783 both CMB) and likely order the rest. As I draw out family members from these baptismal fiche I always end up wanting to have them all myself since you end up with several more surnames to look up as you work your way back! This is a great idea though as we all likely have many different resources and can help with that strategic lookup that carries us back or sideways whichever is preferred!

There must be many BLAKE entries for Andover 1877 - 1935 and I have not even begun to sort out the families. It would be a gigantic task! I will buy the fiche for Andover and just need to discover where to purchase. I would cover the time period (1685 - 1714 and 1714 - 1783 both CMB) and likely order the rest. As I draw out family members from these baptismal fiche I always end up wanting to have them all myself since you end up with several more surnames to look up as you work your way back! This is a great idea though as we all likely have many different resources and can help with that strategic lookup that carries us back or sideways whichever is preferred! On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > Morning Elizabeth we have the following for Andover so happy to check for > you on the following years we have Christenings 1877-1935 Marriages > 1877-1939 . > Unfortunately, we don't have the earlier ones you need checked. > For any other resources see www.knightroots.co.uk and click on "resources" > and scroll down. -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca

Oh well thanks anyway but think we'll ignore until we have more evidence. Thanks for your kindness though in checking. If we can return the favour let us know, Linda and Tony

Yes, a patron submitted entry unfortunately. On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > > Well that's what we believe too of Ann. > The marriage entry you have sent is that a patron submitted entry for Walter > and Ann? > We must admit that the patron submitted entry we found for William Cobley > CLARKE's baptism appears to have the wrong father down ie as William unless he > was William Walter or Walter William! > Confusing when the actual details of Walter's parents aren't yet known. > The 1841 census not giving relationships or birthplace to each draws a > blank on our only possible link to date. > Will probably need to go to Kew some time to get Frances CLARKE's father and > grandfather's Coastguard records as they might just reveal something. -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca

I have a William Scovell that married Elizabeth Linington in 1791 at Newport, IoW. They had three children that I know of, one of which was another William. Any help? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jean bowen" <astrotraveller@westnet.com.au> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: [Ham] Re: HAMPSHIRE-D Digest > > Hi > I am looking for great grandparents George John Garnett and Sarah Scovell. > they were married in 1865. Is anyone working on this family? > > They had 8 children all born in Portsmouth Hampshire my grandmother being > one of them Ellen Jane Garnett. > Has anyone got any connection? > Jean > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > >

Hi Jane well just checked and found 1 of the 2 - yours! Andover 60M67 page 295 no 2354 baptised 3rd August 1935 and born 6th June Jane Rosemary Frith daughter of Arthur James and Constance Annie ANNETTS 14 Southend Road Commission Agent Hope it helps,Linda and Tony

Hi Jane no problem and not cheeky, will see if there,ask and hopefully you will receive.. Back later,Linda and Tony I spotted your message to Elizabeth & wondered if you would do 2 look-ups for me ? Andover christenings:- ANNETTS,Elizabeth Anne Susan - born 21 Aug 1929 (my sister) ANNETTS,Rosemary Jane Faith - born 6 Jun 1935 (me) I would love to know if & when we were baptised I hope this isn't too much of a cheek. Regards Jane Griggs

Hello Chris our gut feeling is Farnham but only that. Fawnham would be Farnham Surrey and Crondall to Farnham depending on where isn't far. We can supply the full details for St Mary's Portsea marriage if you like:? You might already have them though. The marriage may provide a small clue to include or exclude this one. We wait to hear from you. Linda and Tony The story so far:- Henry was arrested in Crondall parish in 1835 for stealing 6 tame rabbits belonging to John MARTIN and a frock from Elizabeth STEVENS and received 7yrs transportation to Australia for each offence. Once he was on board the ship "England" on its 3rd voyage he became very well documented. Henry said he was 23yrs old (birth yr 1812?) and could neither read or write and was married with 1 daughter and his native place was Fawnham? Surrey. He married Elizabeth SHANNON in 1858 and had 6 children. I am descended from the 6th child. On this marriage certificate he said he was from Surrey, on the birth certificates for his 1st, 2nd and 6th children he also said he was from Surrey. However for the other children he said he was from Hampshire. His age when he married and for the birth of each child jumps all over the place and he died in 1889 aged 77 (birth yr 1812). My problem is this, I am unable to confirm a birth for Henry although there is a possibility of him being born in 1809 to mother Ann HAWKINS in Farnham, Surrey and there is also a possible marriage to a Sarah ROOD in 1833 at St Marys Portsea. Does anyone recognise Henry or can help me find his family prior to 1835? I hope so. Thank you in advance Chris Randall

Hello Geoff Portsmouth Record Office or Hampshire Record Office would have the fiche for St Peter and Paul Fareham 1558-1743,1793-1812,1832-53,1906-49. Hope this helps,Linda and Tony >Burials - I have been researching my mothers family (PARGENT) for some while, >fortunately most lived in Hampshire, going back to c.1720. >Recently, I wondered where and if my ancestors were buried in Southampton. >It was suggested >by Sot'on Archives that I should contact the Bereavement Service in Sot'on >and 'bingo', I got four persons listed in one grave plus others scattered >around the Old Cemetery in Sot'on. >My question is - I cannot find the death of my ggg/grandfather, Daniel PARGENT, >who probably died in Fareham. So, who would have the burial records for Fareham/Hampshire? >regards Geoff of Emsworth. > > >___________________________________________________________

Well that's what we believe too of Ann. The marriage entry you have sent is that a patron submitted entry for Walter and Ann? We must admit that the patron submitted entry we found for William Cobley CLARKE's baptism appears to have the wrong father down ie as William unless he was William Walter or Walter William! Confusing when the actual details of Walter's parents aren't yet known. The 1841 census not giving relationships or birthplace to each draws a blank on our only possible link to date. Will probably need to go to Kew some time to get Frances CLARKE's father and grandfather's Coastguard records as they might just reveal something. Thanks Elizabeth. Linda and Tony Would you suspect that Ann Clark (visitor) is a daughter in law? There is an Ann Cobley who married Walter Clarke in Misterton Somerset 13 Jun 1848 (her father is John Cobley). That would make William Cobley Clark her son and grandson to William and Sarah Clark. This is a patron entry I023218 on the IGI and I note that Margaretta Clarke (daughter of William Clarke) marries Hugh Kenwood 18 Aug 1863 also at Misterton Somerset.

Morning Elizabeth we have the following for Andover so happy to check for you on the following years we have Christenings 1877-1935 Marriages 1877-1939 . Unfortunately, we don't have the earlier ones you need checked. For any other resources see www.knightroots.co.uk and click on "resources" and scroll down. Linda and Tony

Just to add my bit...my dad (b. 1900) was the youngest boy in his family (Tasmania), and my mother came out from England in 1911, aged 10. I am sure they both felt "exiled" from extended families - living up here in Queenland, and I am the beneficiary of all their loving memores of extended families. My g.g. grandad was John Newland ("The Trumpeter" of Selborne) and when I was coming to England in 1988, dad said "Put a rose on great grandfather's grave for me"..which I did - under the old yew tree n the churchyard. Visiting Sheffield, Yks., a couple of years ago, I met a young man in my children's age group - he and I are descended from brothers, and we appear to be the only ones deeply interested in being "The Storytellers"! We have been able to help each other such a lot, with my mother's stories (which always proved to be accurate) and his keen interest. I was able to tell him that his great great grandad used to pick two flowers , wrap the stems in silver paper and present them to my mother and grandmother when they visited. His face lit up and he said..Yes, he did grow flowers! I know these are little things, but the sharing of the personal bits is lovely. I was also able to provide a photo of my great grandmother - who died when my grandmother was only 5, in 1880 - to descendents of her first marriage who hadn't even known her name before that. That was the most wonderful thing I could have done for my mother, I think Hope I haven't bored anyone. Kind regards, Shirley (Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: [Ham] Genealogy means ~~~ > Well one youngest and one eldest here). > Linda and Tony > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >

Here is another disappearing ancestor. Thomas HOLLIS b abt 1816 IOW. I cannot find the death of him. As you can see from my notes the last recorded of him was in the 1861 Census and his wife was listed as a widow in the 1871 so it is somewhere in between the two. Thomas Hollis DOB possibly 01 Sep 1816 at Northwood IOW. Parents Probably Thomas Hollis of Cowes IOW and Elizabeth Mrs Dunn ( Both the father and son were bakers). 1851 Microfilm HO107/1657/533 Thos Hollis, Head, Married, age 34, Shoemaker (3 men) born on the Isle of Wight. Mary do, Wife, M, age 41, b Portsea (This is his second wife Mercy Bewsey) Lydia Ann, do, Dau, age obscured, Schol, b Portsea. Mary Bewsey, Dau in Law, age 9, Schol, b Portsea Hannah, do, Dau in law, age 7, Shol, b Portsea Mary Maylan, Niece, Unmarried, age 20, B Portsea Hana (sic), Mother in Law, widow, age 77, Born Margate , Kent. 1861 Census RG 9/632 13 20Residence 226 Great Charlotte Street, Thomas Hollis, Head, 45, Shoemaker, WEST COWES Isle of Wight Mary (we know it is Mercy), wife, 50, Landport. Lydia, dau, 18, Needlework, Landport. Thos. Wm., son, 10, Scholar, Landport. George, son, 8, Scholar, Landport. (note - no other family with them) 1871 RG10/1140 FOL 35 PG 3 Mercy and Son are living alone at 60 Fratton street and she is listed as a widow Thomas probably died between Died between 1861 and 1871

Can you just confirm that she was married in 1856 if so to who as I can't understand how you know when lived in Gosport without a surname of a spouse ?? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: [Ham] list motivation with our CLARK puzzle > Well we have scratched our heads into a pile of sawdust here with a small > problem! > We have a CLARK family and this is where the fun starts. > > Frances CLARK was born 1836/7 in Southampton marries in 1856 so isn't a > CLARK and was living in Gosport from there on. > Before that in the 1841 and 1851 census she is living with her > grandparents in Titchfield. > Frances father was exactly the same christian names as her grandfather > (from > marriage) and we have no idea where her parents were born and whom the > mother was as no sign on IGI or BMD either! > Going back again to the 1841 there were some extra family members but we > cannot add them to the tree as we are unable to establish whether they > were > brother and sister of Frances or Aunt and Uncle fun eh. > Well the grandparents of Frances were not on the 1861 admittedly they > would > be in their late 70's in age so here we are in the tree with a part > CLARK > absence and a kind of hole in the shoe so to speak. > If someone can help we would be ever so gratefully pleased. > Thanks Linda and Tony > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! >

Now that sounds really good count me in Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: [Ham] list motivation > Hi all whoever and wherever you are in the world. > How about we suggest 2 things to start things going on the lists. > 1. We ALL ask for something to be checked on or smashed down in the > genealogical sense of course) and each time someone does that that person > gets a > favour returned for them in the form of a look up or a name and it keeps > on going > so we all get something out of .......call it santa arriving early! > > 2. We ALL post a family history story of some sort of our own fact of > course > we all have at least one. > > Look forward to seeing you all. > Take care,Linda and Tony > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >

I assume this will be St. Mary's Church of England and have my fingers crossed that someone has the fiche. I do have fiche for Bishops Nympton, Devon; Luccombe, Selworthy, Timberscombe, and Wootton Courtenay, Somerset; or Enford, Wiltshire. I also have numerous other fiche for tax rolls in Devon, Somerset protestation returns, wills in Somerset and Devon. Numerous CDs from Ancestry.com on about 12 different counties, visitations for Wiltshire and Somerset, Dorset muster rolls and tax, and a few others. I have been thinking of buying the Andover fiche but your kind thought inspired me so thought that I would ask! On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Elizabeth Kipp wrote: > > I would do a lookup in all census 1851 - 1901 for Hampshire (including the > Isle of Wight) for one family (I would do a complete sweep of the census from > 1851 to 1901, unfortunately I do not have the 1841 census for Hampshire yet > but would do the same in Dorset, Wiltshire, Somerset or Devon and include the > 1841 census if anyone preferred that). > I would just need to know as much as possible about the family in 1901. > > Or I live in Ottawa, Canada so could look up items in the archives if that is > something that would be preferred. > > In return I would really appreciate it if someone could look up Joseph Blake > in the Andover register. His date of baptism from the BVRI 2nd ed > is 21 Oct 1730 and his parents Thomas Blake and Ann. (A Thomas Blake and Ann > Carter are married at Penton Mewsey 8 Sep 1728 or are Thomas and Ann married > at Andover where Joseph is baptized? Several times I have found that the LDS > have a marriage at Andover and Penton Mewsey for the same couple. Both Blake > and Carter are fairly common names in Hampshire. Do they have other > children?). Joseph's marriage to Joanna King is in the Upper Clatford > Register 8 Jun 1757. The Upper Clatford register says that Joseph's abode is > Andover. None of the Blake children in this family received the name Joseph > (Joseph died when he was 37 years old). His son Thomas is my great great > great grandfather. Joseph is common in the Blake families in Wiltshire and > Somerset and not so common in Hampshire anyway. > > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi all whoever and wherever you are in the world. >> How about we suggest 2 things to start things going on the lists. >> 1. We ALL ask for something to be checked on or smashed down in the >> genealogical sense of course) and each time someone does that that person >> gets a >> favour returned for them in the form of a look up or a name and it keeps on >> going >> so we all get something out of .......call it santa arriving early! >> >> 2. We ALL post a family history story of some sort of our own fact of >> course >> we all have at least one. > > -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca

Would you suspect that Ann Clark (visitor) is a daughter in law? There is an Ann Cobley who married Walter Clarke in Misterton Somerset 13 Jun 1848 (her father is John Cobley). That would make William Cobley Clark her son and grandson to William and Sarah Clark. This is a patron entry I023218 on the IGI and I note that Margaretta Clarke (daughter of William Clarke) marries Hugh Kenwood 18 Aug 1863 also at Misterton Somerset. On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > Well we have scratched our heads into a pile of sawdust here with a small > problem! > We have a CLARK family and this is where the fun starts. > > Frances CLARK was born 1836/7 in Southampton marries in 1856 so isn't a > CLARK and was living in Gosport from there on. > Before that in the 1841 and 1851 census she is living with her > grandparents in Titchfield. > Frances father was exactly the same christian names as her grandfather (from > marriage) and we have no idea where her parents were born and whom the > mother was as no sign on IGI or BMD either! > Going back again to the 1841 there were some extra family members but we > cannot add them to the tree as we are unable to establish whether they were > brother and sister of Frances or Aunt and Uncle fun eh. > Well the grandparents of Frances were not on the 1861 admittedly they would > be in their late 70's in age so here we are in the tree with a part CLARK > absence and a kind of hole in the shoe so to speak. > If someone can help we would be ever so gratefully pleased. > Thanks Linda and Tony -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp mailto: kippeeb@magma.ca