I think it may be I will have to find his birth details to be sure. his father comes from St Peter Port and was married in alverstoke Gosport 15 Oct 1860 now why would he go back to Guernsey when all his other children were born in Alverstoke unless the error is in the birthplace of John and the enumerator got it wrong. The other thing is Thomas Henry in the 1861 is living with his wife no children at his mother in laws house. Now why would a man take his wife who was born in Yorkshire to Guernsey to have a child ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > Don't you think this is your John in the Channel Islands Census (he is > born > in 1861 according to the 1901 census)? > >> > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head >> > Torteval >> > Jersey > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> >> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation >> >> >> > If you go to the Channel Island Census for 1901 - RG13/5317 - (Jersey, >> > Torteval, District >> > 3, Page 7, ). This John born in 1861 seems reasonable. I wonder who the >> > other John is! >> > >> > Emily M Gallienne abt 1853 St Peters in the Wood, Guernsey, Channel >> > Islands Wife >> > Torteval Jersey >> > Fredrick Gallienne abt 1882 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval Jersey >> > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > John Gallienne abt 1895 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > Mary Gallienne abt 1884 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Daughter >> > Torteval Jersey >> > Nicholas Gallienne abt 1877 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval Jersey >> > Peter Gallienne abt 1880 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > Thomas Gallienne abt 1879 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > >> > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> > >> > On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is >> >> 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is >> >> still not quite right but closer. >> >> >> >> Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> >> >> >> On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't >> >> > you >> >> > think >> >> > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not >> >> > in >> >> > other >> >> > census if he was around the world all the time >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> >> >> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. >> >> > > >> >> > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm >> >> > > Bank >> >> > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, >> >> > > part >> >> > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. >> >> > > >> >> > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel >> >> > > Islands >> >> > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe >> >> > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) >> >> > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) >> >> > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex >> >> > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex >> >> > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex >> >> > > >> >> > > I will glance some more. >> >> > > >> >> > > Elizabeth >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> >> > > >> >> > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this >> >> > >> one >> >> > >> John >> >> > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. >> >> > >> The >> >> > >> only >> >> > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his >> >> > >> Grandmother >> >> > >> Mary >> >> > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Any help on this please >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Bob Newell >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it >> >> > >> on >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > Our ancestors never die >> >> > heaven knows where they goes. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> Our ancestors never die >> >> heaven knows where they goes. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line >> > at >> > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >> > >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >> >> > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > Don't you think this is your John in the Channel Islands Census (he is > born > in 1861 according to the 1901 census)? > >> > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head >> > Torteval >> > Jersey > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> >> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation >> >> >> > If you go to the Channel Island Census for 1901 - RG13/5317 - (Jersey, >> > Torteval, District >> > 3, Page 7, ). This John born in 1861 seems reasonable. I wonder who the >> > other John is! >> > >> > Emily M Gallienne abt 1853 St Peters in the Wood, Guernsey, Channel >> > Islands Wife >> > Torteval Jersey >> > Fredrick Gallienne abt 1882 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval Jersey >> > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > John Gallienne abt 1895 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > Mary Gallienne abt 1884 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Daughter >> > Torteval Jersey >> > Nicholas Gallienne abt 1877 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval Jersey >> > Peter Gallienne abt 1880 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > Thomas Gallienne abt 1879 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son >> > Torteval >> > Jersey >> > >> > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> > >> > On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is >> >> 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is >> >> still not quite right but closer. >> >> >> >> Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> >> >> >> On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't >> >> > you >> >> > think >> >> > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not >> >> > in >> >> > other >> >> > census if he was around the world all the time >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> >> >> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. >> >> > > >> >> > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm >> >> > > Bank >> >> > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, >> >> > > part >> >> > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. >> >> > > >> >> > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel >> >> > > Islands >> >> > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe >> >> > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) >> >> > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) >> >> > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex >> >> > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex >> >> > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex >> >> > > >> >> > > I will glance some more. >> >> > > >> >> > > Elizabeth >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> >> > > >> >> > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this >> >> > >> one >> >> > >> John >> >> > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. >> >> > >> The >> >> > >> only >> >> > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his >> >> > >> Grandmother >> >> > >> Mary >> >> > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Any help on this please >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Bob Newell >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it >> >> > >> on >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > Our ancestors never die >> >> > heaven knows where they goes. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> Our ancestors never die >> >> heaven knows where they goes. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line >> > at >> > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >> > >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >> >> > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >

I have just found John William b 1849 St Peter Port so it would appear as though this could be the man in the census you found. he is not in later census so it probably is him off travelling round the world. But not my John I don't think. One more thing that I have thought of is his sister Ellen Mary also lived with him with his grandmother and she was listed as an idiot from birth, perhaps John was the same and died in some institute also when the grandmother died ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > If you go to the Channel Island Census for 1901 - RG13/5317 - (Jersey, > Torteval, District > 3, Page 7, ). This John born in 1861 seems reasonable. I wonder who the > other John is! > > Emily M Gallienne abt 1853 St Peters in the Wood, Guernsey, Channel > Islands Wife > Torteval Jersey > Fredrick Gallienne abt 1882 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son > Torteval Jersey > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head Torteval > Jersey > John Gallienne abt 1895 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval > Jersey > Mary Gallienne abt 1884 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Daughter > Torteval Jersey > Nicholas Gallienne abt 1877 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son > Torteval Jersey > Peter Gallienne abt 1880 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval > Jersey > Thomas Gallienne abt 1879 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval > Jersey > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: >> >> I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is >> 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is >> still not quite right but closer. >> >> Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> >> On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> > >> > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't you >> > think >> > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not in >> > other >> > census if he was around the world all the time >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> >> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation >> > >> > >> > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. >> > > >> > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank >> > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part >> > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. >> > > >> > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel >> > > Islands >> > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe >> > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) >> > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) >> > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex >> > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex >> > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex >> > > >> > > I will glance some more. >> > > >> > > Elizabeth >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp >> > > >> > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one >> > >> John >> > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The >> > >> only >> > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother >> > >> Mary >> > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. >> > >> >> > >> Any help on this please >> > >> >> > >> Bob Newell >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >> > > >> > >> > >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > Our ancestors never die >> > heaven knows where they goes. >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Our ancestors never die >> heaven knows where they goes. >> >> > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >

Hi Linda & Tony, Thank you for finding me - Susan could have been christened in Ludgershall where my mothers family were based and I know she was very ill when she was young - mastoid but I don't know when it started so who knows what happened at the time. Can I ask for 7 more look-ups they are all close family members:- BELL,John b.11 Aug 1912 BULL,Frances May possibly born cJun 1895 BURDEN, Marjorie Afra born 8 Aug 1922 BURDEN, Joan b.15 Jun 1924 BURDEN,Pamela b.16 Mar 1927 BURDEN,John b.12 Oct 1929 HARDING, Ann b.29 May 1930 I hope this is not too much to ask of you and I promise I won't take any more advantage of you. Many thanks again Regards Jane Griggs ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] ANNETTS > Hi Jane > well just checked and found 1 of the 2 - yours! > > Andover 60M67 > page 295 no 2354 baptised 3rd August 1935 and born 6th June Jane Rosemary > Frith daughter of Arthur James and Constance Annie ANNETTS 14 Southend Road > Commission Agent > > Hope it helps,Linda and Tony > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 27/11/2005 > >

Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't you think 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not in other census if he was around the world all the time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel Islands > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex > > I will glance some more. > > Elizabeth > > > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one John >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The only >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother Mary >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. >> >> Any help on this please >> >> Bob Newell >> >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >> >> > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on >

Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one John GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The only other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother Mary Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. Any help on this please Bob Newell

Hi all Just another short e-mail to see if anyone can help with additional information about the BULLPITT/ BULPIT family from Milbrook or Eling in the early 19th century. James Bulpit married Sarah GASPIN in approximately 1830. On the 1851 Census the name is misspelt as BULPIS. Does anyone have access to an earlier census that could look them up? Kind regards, Melissa

Hi My mother & her two sisters were brought to Portsmouth in or abt 1930 and left in Nazereth house boarding school. Their grandmother I think lived in Cottage grove southsea and had the surname ADAMS (Lucy)? although the 3 girls name was COUSINS/ COUSENS. can anyone give me a clue to follow. thanks Jean

Hi I am looking for great grandparents George John Garnett and Sarah Scovell. they were married in 1865. Is anyone working on this family? They had 8 children all born in Portsmouth Hampshire my grandmother being one of them Ellen Jane Garnett. Has anyone got any connection? Jean

Hi Linda & Tony, I spotted your message to Elizabeth & wondered if you would do 2 look-ups for me ? Andover christenings:- ANNETTS,Elizabeth Anne Susan - born 21 Aug 1929 (my sister) ANNETTS,Rosemary Jane Faith - born 6 Jun 1935 (me) I would love to know if & when we were baptised I hope this isn't too much of a cheek. Regards Jane Griggs ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: [Ham] list motivation with a BLAKE ancestor > > > Morning Elizabeth we have the following for Andover so happy to check for > you on the following years we have Christenings 1877-1935 Marriages > 1877-1939 . > Unfortunately, we don't have the earlier ones you need checked. > For any other resources see www.knightroots.co.uk and click on "resources" > and scroll down. > Linda and Tony > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 27/11/2005 > >

We have checked Andover baptisms from 1891 and Frances Bell hasn't appeared up to 1902. Also checked up to 1914 for John BELL.Think you will find that the baptisms for these are in Abbots Ann fiche. Can I ask for 7 more look-ups they are all close family members:- BELL,John b.11 Aug 1912 BULL,Frances May possibly born cJun 1895 page 122 no 974 baptised October 1st 1922 BURDEN, Marjorie Afra born 8 Aug 1922 daughter of Reginald Harry and Frances May 56 High St Fishmonger page 150 no 1200 baptised August 28th 1924 BURDEN, Joan born.15 Jun 1924 other details as previous page 202 no 1615 baptised May 6th 1928 BURDEN,Pamela born .16 Mar 1927 1 Chalton Road Grocer's assistant page 223 no 1780 baptised December 8th 1929 BURDEN,John born.12 Oct 1929 Camberin' Old Winton Road Merchant HARDING, Ann b.29 May 1930 not there up to 1936 Hope they help,Linda & Tony

That is what makes genealogy interesting. You are right that that does seem strange. I was using ancestry.com to extract and there are other families with the same name. Likely you will have to extract to find the right ones. Good luck. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > I think it may be I will have to find his birth details to be sure. his > father comes from St Peter Port and was married in alverstoke Gosport 15 Oct > 1860 now why would he go back to Guernsey when all his other children were > born in Alverstoke unless the error is in the birthplace of John and the > enumerator got it wrong. The other thing is Thomas Henry in the 1861 is > living with his wife no children at his mother in laws house. Now why would > a man take his wife who was born in Yorkshire to Guernsey to have a child

Hello Listers, If SKS has access to the 1851 Census would they be kind enough to look for entries for BUTLER, Sarah born Gosport with an age between 56 and 66 (bn c 1785 and 1795) I have a baptism at Gosport in 1786 that I believe is the right Sarah (nee Boyt) and a burial in 1853 of a Sarah Butler aged 58 at Alverstoke, which could be her (with a incorrect age at death). Unfortunately I am house bound at the moment and cannot get to the local LDS library. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you Carole (in Oz)

Don't you think this is your John in the Channel Islands Census (he is born in 1861 according to the 1901 census)? > > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head Torteval > > Jersey Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > > > > If you go to the Channel Island Census for 1901 - RG13/5317 - (Jersey, > > Torteval, District > > 3, Page 7, ). This John born in 1861 seems reasonable. I wonder who the > > other John is! > > > > Emily M Gallienne abt 1853 St Peters in the Wood, Guernsey, Channel > > Islands Wife > > Torteval Jersey > > Fredrick Gallienne abt 1882 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son > > Torteval Jersey > > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head Torteval > > Jersey > > John Gallienne abt 1895 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval > > Jersey > > Mary Gallienne abt 1884 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Daughter > > Torteval Jersey > > Nicholas Gallienne abt 1877 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son > > Torteval Jersey > > Peter Gallienne abt 1880 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval > > Jersey > > Thomas Gallienne abt 1879 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval > > Jersey > > > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > > > On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: > >> > >> I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is > >> 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is > >> still not quite right but closer. > >> > >> Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > >> > >> On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't you > >> > think > >> > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not in > >> > other > >> > census if he was around the world all the time > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> > >> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > >> > > >> > > >> > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. > >> > > > >> > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank > >> > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part > >> > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. > >> > > > >> > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel > >> > > Islands > >> > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe > >> > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) > >> > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) > >> > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex > >> > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex > >> > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex > >> > > > >> > > I will glance some more. > >> > > > >> > > Elizabeth > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > >> > > > >> > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one > >> > >> John > >> > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The > >> > >> only > >> > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother > >> > >> Mary > >> > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. > >> > >> > >> > >> Any help on this please > >> > >> > >> > >> Bob Newell > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > Our ancestors never die > >> > heaven knows where they goes. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Our ancestors never die > >> heaven knows where they goes. > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at > > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots > >

There is a Nicholas Gallienne living close by with his wife and a number of children also born at Torteval (54 years old). The next door neighbour is also born at St Peters in the Wood (James LeMoigne). Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: > > If you go to the Channel Island Census for 1901 - RG13/5317 - (Jersey, Torteval, District > 3, Page 7, ). This John born in 1861 seems reasonable. I wonder who the other John is! > > Emily M Gallienne abt 1853 St Peters in the Wood, Guernsey, Channel Islands Wife > Torteval Jersey > Fredrick Gallienne abt 1882 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey > John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head Torteval Jersey > John Gallienne abt 1895 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey > Mary Gallienne abt 1884 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Daughter Torteval Jersey > Nicholas Gallienne abt 1877 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey > Peter Gallienne abt 1880 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey > Thomas Gallienne abt 1879 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: > > > > I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is > > 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is > > still not quite right but closer. > > > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't you think > > > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not in other > > > census if he was around the world all the time > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> > > > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > > > > > > > > > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. > > > > > > > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank > > > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part > > > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. > > > > > > > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel Islands > > > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe > > > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) > > > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) > > > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex > > > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex > > > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex > > > > > > > > I will glance some more. > > > > > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > > > > > > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one John > > > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The only > > > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother Mary > > > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. > > > >> > > > >> Any help on this please > > > >> > > > >> Bob Newell > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Our ancestors never die > > > heaven knows where they goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Our ancestors never die > > heaven knows where they goes. > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > >

If you go to the Channel Island Census for 1901 - RG13/5317 - (Jersey, Torteval, District 3, Page 7, ). This John born in 1861 seems reasonable. I wonder who the other John is! Emily M Gallienne abt 1853 St Peters in the Wood, Guernsey, Channel Islands Wife Torteval Jersey Fredrick Gallienne abt 1882 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey John Gallienne abt 1861 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Head Torteval Jersey John Gallienne abt 1895 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey Mary Gallienne abt 1884 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Daughter Torteval Jersey Nicholas Gallienne abt 1877 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey Peter Gallienne abt 1880 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey Thomas Gallienne abt 1879 Torteval, Guernsey, Channel Islands Son Torteval Jersey Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> wrote: > > I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is > 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is > still not quite right but closer. > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't you think > > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not in other > > census if he was around the world all the time > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> > > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > > > > > > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. > > > > > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank > > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part > > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. > > > > > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel Islands > > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe > > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) > > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) > > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex > > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex > > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex > > > > > > I will glance some more. > > > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > > > > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one John > > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The only > > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother Mary > > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. > > >> > > >> Any help on this please > > >> > > >> Bob Newell > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Our ancestors never die > > heaven knows where they goes. > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. > >

I wonder if it is an error on the part of the enumerator in that he is 12 years older than his wife. Perhaps it should have read 42 which is still not quite right but closer. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Yes Elizabeth I agree but the age difference is rather a lot don't you think > 1849 to 1862 is quite a leap but it would make sense why he is not in other > census if he was around the world all the time > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <kippeeb@magma.ca> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Ham] List Motivation > > > >I would say that he is born at Guernsey not Germany. > > > > The 1901 census has him living with his wife and child at 3 Elm Bank > > Gardens, in Surrey, Barnes part of St. Marys, part of Barnes UD, part > > of Kingston on page 30, RG13/680. > > > > John Gallienne, age 52, commission agent, born Guernsey, Channel Islands > > Mary, age 40, born Yorkshire, Attercliffe > > John, age 12, born Brazil (British subject) > > Ethel, Age 9, born Portugal (British subject) > > Cyril, age 6, born Shepherds Bush, Middlesex > > Ernest, age 5, Notting Hill, Middlesex > > Mary Todd, widow 44, nurse , Stoke Newington, Middlesex > > > > I will glance some more. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > > > Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp > > > > On Nov 28, <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> Ok no advance on Stephen NEWELL or Thomas HOLLIS lets try this one John > >> GALLIENNE b abt 1862 to Thomas Henry GALLIENNE and Ellen RILEY. The only > >> other information I have is 1871 Census living with his Grandmother Mary > >> Burgess nee Riley in Alver Rd. > >> > >> Any help on this please > >> > >> Bob Newell > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Our ancestors never die > heaven knows where they goes. > >

That would be great if you could check for my Joseph and much appreciated but he wont be in your "home" fiche since he is christened in 1730. I just didn't want you to make special trips that are out of your usual path and thank you very much. I have discovered that my Ann Farmer (married to John Blake) was also born at Andover (Little London in 1802, near Woodhouse). Her father, Isaac Farmer and mother Elizabeth Lamsdens were also born at Andover (Isaac in 1764 but he appears to be christened at Collingbourne Kingston, Wiltshire and Elizabeth is born at Woodhouse, Andover). She is a real mystery as she died in Andover (Woodhouse I think) 28 Aug 1862. I have never found any family for Elizabeth. Isaac appears to descend from the Farmer and Holland families in the Whitchurch, Alton and Bishopstoke areas. It takes about six weeks to get fiche from England and wouldn't it be wonderful to know about Joseph I must admit. I will likely still order the Andover fiche. You would probably be amazed to see how much fiche I have purchased even at that price. I need a lovely drawer to keep them all just to keep them ordered. I have hinted at my husband who (now retired) is enjoying doing some woadworking once again after years and years spent at the National Research Council here as an Information Scientist (originally a Ph.D. Chemist before he did his professional librarian degree). Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp On Nov 28, Knightroots@aol.com wrote: > > > Excuse keyboard should be bit not it. > Having trouble as b is sticking so should have re checked before sending. > Linda and Tony

Sorry, I used an incorrect e-address. >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:54:32 +0000 >From: jeffers31@tinyworld.co.uk >Subject: Pargent >To: HAMPSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Burials - I have been researching my mothers family (PARGENT) for some while, >fortunately most lived in Hampshire, going back to c.1720. >Recently, I wondered where and if my ancestors were buried in Southampton. >It was suggested >by Sot'on Archives that I should contact the Bereavement Service in Sot'on >and 'bingo', I got four persons listed in one grave plus others scattered >around the Old Cemetery in Sot'on. >My question is - I cannot find the death of my ggg/grandfather, Daniel PARGENT, >who probably died in Fareham. So, who would have the burial records for Fareham/Hampshire? >regards Geoff of Emsworth. > > >___________________________________________________________ > >Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > >Christmas gift ideas and festive features - visit the Tiscali Christmas microsite. >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/christmas > > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ Christmas gift ideas and festive features - visit the Tiscali Christmas microsite. http://www.tiscali.co.uk/christmas

Excuse keyboard should be bit not it. Having trouble as b is sticking so should have re checked before sending. Linda and Tony Of course you can purchase them yourself just got spare time and with the fiche machine here sitting idle and the fiche getting dusty through lack of use need to do their it..