Hi all, after an enjoyable two years now of this fascinating hobby I have nearly mastered my hunting skills using the available resources, but now it is time to find out a bit more about my ancestors pre 1800 and in particular how to find where they lived and what there occupation was. Can anyone give me a few tips as to where I can start. I presume it will have something to do with local parish records but what information will they give me. Any suggestions Bob Newell

I have been working on my Couzen family tree. My 7 gg, John Couzens appears in Havant for sure with his burial 8 Oct 1701 but I do not know where John came from. His baptism/marriage is not on the IGI. ( I have the following generations down to the present.) My 6gg is John Cosens (& variants!) baptism is also not on IGI. He married Mary POLLINGTON 4 Sep 1699 at Portsmouth. Their 1st child is born in Havant 1702. So both father John and son John seem to first appear in Havant by 1701. Mary Pollington's baptism is also not on the IGI. I would like to have baptisms/burials for Couzens/Cosens (and variants) during the 1600's if that is possible (hoping it is not in Latin but the names & dates should be readable?) It seems many people married at Portsea or Portsmouth but they are not from that parish unless perhaps the wife is? Fingers Crossed - GAIL in Ontario Their 1st child is born in Havant 1702. So both father John and son John appear in Havant 1701. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/05

Just putting my 'stuff' out there in the hope that someone will be related in some way! WHITLOCK family from Bitterne/Eastleigh/South Stoneham. William James Whitlock, married Mary Ann Dudley, in c.1888, children William Dudley & Francis (twins), Clement & Ellen. I think William Dudley died in WWI. In 1901 the family were in Eastleigh. CLARKE family from Southampton. Frederick R Clarke, born Ireland, married Helen McDonald, b.So'ton c1852. Living in St.Mary's area in 1881 & 1901 census. My g.grandfather was their son Frederick John Henry Clarke, b.c1884, married Bertha Orman from Exbury and apparently became a Master Baker in Lower Pennington where a few of their nine children were born. Also looking at ORMAN, WITCHER, ATTWOOD, DUGDALE, BUTLER... and probably many others that I've forgotten! sorry for lack of dates - don't have my refs. to hand. Lou Watson

Hi, The Internet is a wonderful tool in searching for ancestors but nothing quite like searching fiche/film at the local record office or LDS branch. If you search the www.familysearch.org catalogue, you might find films for your particular parish, order the film for a small fee and you would find births-marriages-burials of your family and, in the long run, much cheaper than purchasing certificates. Cheers, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: [Ham] Where to go now Hi all, after an enjoyable two years now of this fascinating hobby I have nearly mastered my hunting skills using the available resources, but now it is time to find out a bit more about my ancestors pre 1800 and in particular how to find where they lived and what there occupation was. Can anyone give me a few tips as to where I can start. I presume it will have something to do with local parish records but what information will they give me. Any suggestions Bob Newell ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Spring clean your tree and see if you can dust off some new rellies Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk also Hampshire Look up Exchange at http://members.madasafish.com/~caroldolton/index.htm

Depending on where the ancestors are ie if in Hampshire, Hampshire Record Office in Winchester very close to the station is a great place to go and thy are very helpful too. If Portsmouth/Portsea then the Portsmouth Record Office in Museum Road would be the place to go. Pre 1837 it does become more like detective work but still good fun as the more rellies try to find the more determined you need to become to find them a sort of they hide & you seek. Good luck Bob ask if you get stuck and let us know how things go,Linda & Tony

Sorry Ray it's the event rather than the surname should have said. Linda & Tony Here I am Linda. I've applied to the Research team at Oxford University to request inclusion in the research by way of sending them a hair folicle, for the 'Y' chromosone tracking but I think that they have been inundated with UK Christmases. However, Thank you very much for the second of the web sites.

Hi Listers, Could sks please have a look for the marriage of Joseph Vere to Sophia. Joseph was born in Andover in June 1762 and they had their first child, Sophia Frances in 1795, in Andover. William born 1796, also in Andover. I have no information about Sophia, so the marriage could have taken place in her home town/village, I can only assume the marriage was in Andover. Sophia Frances married into the Wild family from Amport. Regards Ron Weeks

Well your a busy girl Jean. Nice to hear that sewing is still in existance as others such as hand knitting etc. Love them all not up to sewiing but still do hand knitting & tapestry when able (in between Family History of course)). Love the traditional arts. Linda (and Tony)

Hi Linda & Tony, I'm making 7 nighties for 7 Hampshire Barbie dolls for my Grandaughter...as they are all going away for the weekend!!!! Night night, sleep tight, Best Wishes Jean.

See the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/southtoday/information.shtml re Christmas Archive films. Also see Christmas in Hampshire at http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/features/christmas/ Where are you all? Linda & Tony

Hello Edna and All, My family did not know much about their ancestors or relations. My mother when I was young used to say to me, "we are related to that Fish Shop", "our family had something to do with a pub that was once here on the corner of Swan Lane, but I don't know how", all in Guildford, Surrey. When I started family research and told and showed my dear old aunt, "I have got your grandfathers Birth Certificate", her reply "I don't know how you find all these things out, we were never told anything", my aunt was quite upset to think she did not know about her family, outside of her own circle of relations. My biggest shock in research was when I told this aunt, I was researching my great grandparents, granny and granddad COLE, she replied "that is not their name, it is COUGHLAN", a name that had never cropped up in my family before. To think all of my life until about 9 years ago, I thought I had a granny and granddad COLE, it really upset me at the time, that I was never told about their name. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: [Ham] Preserving the Past | Borrowed from another list.... | | Edna - Ottawa | | ============================================ | Preserve Your Past! | | Pull up a chair, and let me tell you a story: It is based upon a true event, | though no names will be named.... | It is about the importance of preserving your family heritage, and the | collections of our parents and grandparents when they pass away. | Not terrible long ago, an elderly lady fell ill, and was not expected to | live. | This lady had been the keeper of old family records and papers going | back to the early 1800's. | These had been passed down from generation to generation through | her ancestors, and were kept in her home. | | Her children started clearing out her house, preparing to sell it when | she passed away. Out went box after box of old bibles, photos, records, | diaries, newspaper articles and all manner of information, her family | seeing them only as boxes of musty old papers. | Out with them went two centuries of history, not just of their family, | but of the whole community. Within hours, they were bulldozed into | the local landfill site. | | Well our lady fooled them, and recovered, but not before all was lost. | An isolated incident? No, it happens every day. We have lost our respect | for the importance of history. | Gone are the days where people sat on stools in the local general store | trading news and stories of events of the past. Fading is the tradition of | the oral presentation of History, though there are those who are trying | to revive this tradition. Gone is so many people's love for the treasures | left by their ancestors. They see it as clutter, getting in the way of the | present and the immediate future. | | Our ancestors saw fit to save this information, and so should we. | If you have no interest in your family's past, please realize that there are | those who do, and that those papers in your attic may contain information | that is vital to preserving our most valuable resource, its rich history. | | This is a heart-felt plea. Please, save this information. Please allow it to | be | preserved, if not by yourself, please share it with others. Once lost, it is | lost forever, and can never be recovered. Please don't let one more boxes | of our History wind up in landfill. Treat it as recyclable and pass it along | to others. | | If you are a family historian, please place in your will or a codicil to | your will, | your desires for the disposal of your work when you pass away. | Perhaps you have a child who shares your interest. | Ensure that he/she is named as the recipient We cannot live forever, but we | can go great lengths to ensure our labours are passed along to future | generations. | If you are an elderly person, and are concerned about what to do with your | old papers, books, and photos; or if a relative passes away, and you don't | know | what to do with their old papers, contact a library or take them to a local | archives | or Genealogy Society or other location of your choice. As long as they are | preserved. | If you are unsure what should be saved, and what should not, unsure whether | it has historical significance, or if you are unsure of the best repository | to preserve | your legacy. | Please don't allow your bereavement to allow you to lose sight of the | importance | your family member, and past generations placed in this information. | As you can see from the research, I am one of the many who treasure our | History, | and truly believe that it is our most valuable resource, and that it should | be preserved, | and shared freely for all to benefit. Too many important documents have been | lost forever. | If we save only one document, it is all worth it. | Thank you one and all from the bottom of my heart. | | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk | |

Borrowed from another list.... Edna - Ottawa ============================================ Preserve Your Past! Pull up a chair, and let me tell you a story: It is based upon a true event, though no names will be named.... It is about the importance of preserving your family heritage, and the collections of our parents and grandparents when they pass away. Not terrible long ago, an elderly lady fell ill, and was not expected to live. This lady had been the keeper of old family records and papers going back to the early 1800's. These had been passed down from generation to generation through her ancestors, and were kept in her home. Her children started clearing out her house, preparing to sell it when she passed away. Out went box after box of old bibles, photos, records, diaries, newspaper articles and all manner of information, her family seeing them only as boxes of musty old papers. Out with them went two centuries of history, not just of their family, but of the whole community. Within hours, they were bulldozed into the local landfill site. Well our lady fooled them, and recovered, but not before all was lost. An isolated incident? No, it happens every day. We have lost our respect for the importance of history. Gone are the days where people sat on stools in the local general store trading news and stories of events of the past. Fading is the tradition of the oral presentation of History, though there are those who are trying to revive this tradition. Gone is so many people's love for the treasures left by their ancestors. They see it as clutter, getting in the way of the present and the immediate future. Our ancestors saw fit to save this information, and so should we. If you have no interest in your family's past, please realize that there are those who do, and that those papers in your attic may contain information that is vital to preserving our most valuable resource, its rich history. This is a heart-felt plea. Please, save this information. Please allow it to be preserved, if not by yourself, please share it with others. Once lost, it is lost forever, and can never be recovered. Please don't let one more boxes of our History wind up in landfill. Treat it as recyclable and pass it along to others. If you are a family historian, please place in your will or a codicil to your will, your desires for the disposal of your work when you pass away. Perhaps you have a child who shares your interest. Ensure that he/she is named as the recipient We cannot live forever, but we can go great lengths to ensure our labours are passed along to future generations. If you are an elderly person, and are concerned about what to do with your old papers, books, and photos; or if a relative passes away, and you don't know what to do with their old papers, contact a library or take them to a local archives or Genealogy Society or other location of your choice. As long as they are preserved. If you are unsure what should be saved, and what should not, unsure whether it has historical significance, or if you are unsure of the best repository to preserve your legacy. Please don't allow your bereavement to allow you to lose sight of the importance your family member, and past generations placed in this information. As you can see from the research, I am one of the many who treasure our History, and truly believe that it is our most valuable resource, and that it should be preserved, and shared freely for all to benefit. Too many important documents have been lost forever. If we save only one document, it is all worth it. Thank you one and all from the bottom of my heart.

Edna bear with me on this if your WJH is the man I mentioned then listed in the 1891 census there is a William Hillyer b Portsmouth 1856 occ Plumber with his wife Ellen in Midhurst, Sussex. Now there is a death 1894 Midhurst William James Hellier age 35. Now in the 1881 census William is with his parents and he is listed as a Plumber the same as his father. They are living at Clarence Parade Southsea. Well what do you think is this your man Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] William James HELLYER (1854-c1891) > Hi Edna this WJH of yours am I to presume it the WJH born 1854 Gosport son > of William 1830 occ Plumber and Ann 1834 and Brother Henry. > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:08 PM > Subject: [Ham] William James HELLYER (1854-c1891) > > >> >> All I want for Christmas is my Great-grandfather Wm. James Hellyer >> (1854-c1891). >> >> (Cannot find William's death/burial date - from checked 1885 -1915) He >> was not buried in Highland Rd. Kingston, nor Milton, nor Mile End >> Cemeteries - 1886-1915- records checked by Portsmouth Govt. Office. The >> Hampshire Record Office checked the National Probate Calendars & with >> York 1891-1897, no Wills listed. Portsmouth Cemetery Office also checked >> 1884-1915 and no Wm. James Hellyer. Looked at Ann's Hill Gosport Burials >> 1897-1904, to no avail. >> >> Checked St. George's Parish, Waterloo, saw a MI for Wm. James Hellyer age >> 30? . Saw a Death, 1st Qtr 1891- 2b, 354 Portsea (vol &page) age >> 30 -died 11th Feb. (Birth of this WJH#2 lst Qtr 1861 2b 343 or March 3, >> 1861 at Westbourne). Also a marriage of a WJH and Annie New in (20th May >> 1889 St.Andrews) 2nd Qtr 1889 2b 725 Havant) The NEW family of Hambledon >> lived in Farlington during '81 Census, & WJH #2 at White Hart Inn in >> Farlington. >> our William would have been 37. Could be a transcription error. Have >> death cert. for this one cert. for 11 Feb 1891 Waterlooville. Edna >> checked through the '81 Census to see if another WJH fit but none did. >> This particular WJH was buried with his sister Amelia Kate Hellyer in >> 1883, she was 12 at the time and died 1st Qtr '83 2b 283 Havant. She was >> born 1st Qtr 1871 Vol 2b 381 Westbourne actually at Forestside with >> Stanstead, on the 12 Jan 1871, parents William (a labourer) & Sarah >> Hellyer. Kate was living with family in Stoughton north of Westbourne, >> Sussex in 1871 just three months old. This is not my WJH. >> >> Still looking for Great-grandpa.... >> >> Sniffle, >> >> Edna - Ottawa >> >> >> ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath >> Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >> > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at > www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" >

Brilliant! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [Ham] PASSING THE GENES > Borrowed from another list... > > Edna - snowy Ottawa > Merry Christmas & a Healthy New Year > ********************************* > > A modern woman is explaining to her little girl about pictures > in the family photo album: > "This is the geneticist with your surrogate mother and here's > your sperm donor and your father's clone. This is me holding > you when you were just a frozen embryo. The lady with the very > troubled look on her face is your aunt, a genealogist." > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > > >

Hi Edna this WJH of yours am I to presume it the WJH born 1854 Gosport son of William 1830 occ Plumber and Ann 1834 and Brother Henry. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [Ham] William James HELLYER (1854-c1891) > > All I want for Christmas is my Great-grandfather Wm. James Hellyer > (1854-c1891). > > (Cannot find William's death/burial date - from checked 1885 -1915) He > was not buried in Highland Rd. Kingston, nor Milton, nor Mile End > Cemeteries - 1886-1915- records checked by Portsmouth Govt. Office. The > Hampshire Record Office checked the National Probate Calendars & with York > 1891-1897, no Wills listed. Portsmouth Cemetery Office also checked > 1884-1915 and no Wm. James Hellyer. Looked at Ann's Hill Gosport Burials > 1897-1904, to no avail. > > Checked St. George's Parish, Waterloo, saw a MI for Wm. James Hellyer age > 30? . Saw a Death, 1st Qtr 1891- 2b, 354 Portsea (vol &page) age > 30 -died 11th Feb. (Birth of this WJH#2 lst Qtr 1861 2b 343 or March 3, > 1861 at Westbourne). Also a marriage of a WJH and Annie New in (20th May > 1889 St.Andrews) 2nd Qtr 1889 2b 725 Havant) The NEW family of Hambledon > lived in Farlington during '81 Census, & WJH #2 at White Hart Inn in > Farlington. > our William would have been 37. Could be a transcription error. Have > death cert. for this one cert. for 11 Feb 1891 Waterlooville. Edna > checked through the '81 Census to see if another WJH fit but none did. > This particular WJH was buried with his sister Amelia Kate Hellyer in > 1883, she was 12 at the time and died 1st Qtr '83 2b 283 Havant. She was > born 1st Qtr 1871 Vol 2b 381 Westbourne actually at Forestside with > Stanstead, on the 12 Jan 1871, parents William (a labourer) & Sarah > Hellyer. Kate was living with family in Stoughton north of Westbourne, > Sussex in 1871 just three months old. This is not my WJH. > > Still looking for Great-grandpa.... > > Sniffle, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >

Certainly is! Linda & Tony: Brilliant! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [Ham] PASSING THE GENES > Borrowed from another list... > > Edna - snowy Ottawa > Merry Christmas & a Healthy New Year > ********************************* > > A modern woman is explaining to her little girl about pictures > in the family photo album: > "This is the geneticist with your surrogate mother and here's > your sperm donor and your father's clone. This is me holding > you when you were just a frozen embryo. The lady with the very > troubled look on her face is your aunt, a genealogist." >

Borrowed from another list... Edna - snowy Ottawa Merry Christmas & a Healthy New Year ********************************* A modern woman is explaining to her little girl about pictures in the family photo album: "This is the geneticist with your surrogate mother and here's your sperm donor and your father's clone. This is me holding you when you were just a frozen embryo. The lady with the very troubled look on her face is your aunt, a genealogist."

Yes, that's the WJH that I'm after. Have tried different spellings, searched Immigrant listings, Censuses, Death/Burials. Many good friends on the list have also helped to no avail. Father was William Hellyer (1829-1885) and Anne Fancy (1834-1886) and I know where they are. So that's all I want for Christmas is to find Wm. James Hellyer (d.c. 1891)... Thanks Bob, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] William James HELLYER (1854-c1891) Hi Edna this WJH of yours am I to presume it the WJH born 1854 Gosport son of William 1830 occ Plumber and Ann 1834 and Brother Henry. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [Ham] William James HELLYER (1854-c1891) > > All I want for Christmas is my Great-grandfather Wm. James Hellyer > (1854-c1891). > > (Cannot find William's death/burial date - from checked 1885 -1915) He > was not buried in Highland Rd. Kingston, nor Milton, nor Mile End > Cemeteries - 1886-1915- records checked by Portsmouth Govt. Office. The > Hampshire Record Office checked the National Probate Calendars & with York > 1891-1897, no Wills listed. Portsmouth Cemetery Office also checked > 1884-1915 and no Wm. James Hellyer. Looked at Ann's Hill Gosport Burials > 1897-1904, to no avail. > > Checked St. George's Parish, Waterloo, saw a MI for Wm. James Hellyer age > 30? . Saw a Death, 1st Qtr 1891- 2b, 354 Portsea (vol &page) age > 30 -died 11th Feb. (Birth of this WJH#2 lst Qtr 1861 2b 343 or March 3, > 1861 at Westbourne). Also a marriage of a WJH and Annie New in (20th May > 1889 St.Andrews) 2nd Qtr 1889 2b 725 Havant) The NEW family of Hambledon > lived in Farlington during '81 Census, & WJH #2 at White Hart Inn in > Farlington. > our William would have been 37. Could be a transcription error. Have > death cert. for this one cert. for 11 Feb 1891 Waterlooville. Edna > checked through the '81 Census to see if another WJH fit but none did. > This particular WJH was buried with his sister Amelia Kate Hellyer in > 1883, she was 12 at the time and died 1st Qtr '83 2b 283 Havant. She was > born 1st Qtr 1871 Vol 2b 381 Westbourne actually at Forestside with > Stanstead, on the 12 Jan 1871, parents William (a labourer) & Sarah > Hellyer. Kate was living with family in Stoughton north of Westbourne, > Sussex in 1871 just three months old. This is not my WJH. > > Still looking for Great-grandpa.... > > Sniffle, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers"

Hi Gill- Thank you so much for taking the time to check out this information for me - and please thank your neighbour for me as well. Look forward to hearing what else these gentlemen may know. In the meantime - I will try to track down more on these leads you have given me. sincerely Mary Margaret

Gill, Unbelievably, none of your names are - so far - on our tree. We have the same names, but not the right dates/links. I'm sure the links are there, they just need digging for. Sorry! Liz At 18:30 30/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi Liz >I also have Lane, Warne & Sheath family names from the I.O.W. within my >own family. >My father was William Lane (born 1902 Southampton). >My grandfather was William Richard Henry Lane(born West Cowes 1868) >My great grandfather William Lane (born Northwood 1840) married Elizabeth >Harding Warne (born Northwood 1837). >My gggrandfather was Richard Lane (born abt 1813) One of his sons was >named George (born abt 1846) >Elizabeth Harding Warne's father was Leonard Warne (born 1792 Shalfleet) >Leonard's parents were William Warne (born Northwood 1761) and Ann Sheath. >They were married at Carisbrooke 1781. >Do any of these names crop up in your database? >Gill > > > >==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk Elizabeth Lane Worthing West Sussex liz_lane@ntlworld.com