Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. May all your trees be Family and all your friends remember theirs. We are warm and wet after 4 weeks of Darn Cold Weather. The dogs are frantic as they are losing their snow they love to play in. They come in now dripping wet and their sides heaving. There is excitement in the air and parcels are inspected but not opened. Our gifts are stuffies and tennis balls for all five dogs. This is what happens when you get older and all the children are all over the place. We have become eccentric and peculiar. I am still faced with my Brick Walls and really need to travel to get past them. So my wish for you is that all your brick walls tumble and all the branches of your family tree be located. Bless you all, Moira Victoria Moira Simmonds Armstrong, B.C. Can. victoria@cnx.net WhiteHawk Clumber Spaniels www.fuzzyfaces.com/whitehawk1.html

Hi Don Hayward I was just sorting through my email list deleting irrelevant ones when I came across your one to me dated 2/12/05. For some unknown reason I didn't open the attached family tree at the time. Apologies. Now I have seen it I have some comments/queries relating to it. 1. children of William Lane & Elizabeth Harding Warne - I had not previously come across Edith Harriet (Did she die in early childhood like Mary ann Elizabeth?) but I do have a Walter in this generation as well as the previous one (who I believe married Ellen Wiltshire) who you have not included. 2. William Richard Henry Lane was born 18/3/1868, and died 4/6/1948 Gosport 3. William Lane was born 22/6/1840 and married 30/5/1863 4. Mary Ann Storey died 1849 aged 38 and so must have been born about 1811but I don't know where she originally came from. 5. William Lane was born 27/8/1902, and died 8/12/1985 Aylesbury, Bucks Are you related to the Morris part of the tree? Gill

Another thought- I recently heard of a lady in the 19th Century (gggrandmother of a friend) who suffered "post natal depression" but lived on to about sixty in an institution. Could your relative have had a child or a last child at the age of about 38 -otherwise the certifying doctor may have said that she suffered for around 20 years. To give a specific number of years the illness must have been attributable to a specific time or event, something of which the doctor was aware? Did she did at home? Lorraine in Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Goodall" <judygood1@hotmail.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: [Ham] Death Certificate - Goodall > Thanks for the info. Peter and Margaret Godall could hae been insane I > guess. Would account for strange behaviour passed down through the > genes!!!!. She died in 1847. > Judy in sunny Perth > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >

Hi Edna, The petition web site is presently unavailable, to me anyway. Can you still get at it? Could it be temporarily closed down for whatever? Regards, Ray Christmas, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:21 AM Subject: [Ham] Petition to Tessa Jowell in support of Archives > If you haven't already done so please > consider signing the petition. No need to discuss this on the list. > > Edna - Ottawa > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > STOP PRESS > > Due to the overwhelming response to the National Council on > Archives' online petition, the collection date has been extended until > > 31st January 2006 > > to allow even more people to sign and for even more archives to > get involved. Many thanks to all those people who have already signed and > organised paper copies of the petition. > > The petition can be found at > > http://www.ncaonline.org.uk/announcements/save_the_countrys_memory > > The National Council on Archives will continue to lobby government > and funding bodies to convince them that putting archives higher up the > agenda is worthwhile. Chronic under-funding of archives means that some UK > collections remain un-catalogued, housed in unsuitable conditions or > unused. In the worst cases important archives are sold to overseas buyers. > > By signing this petition you will be helping to protect the > nation's heritage and showing your support for archives. The petition will > be sent to Tessa Jowell, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. > > If you would like to put a paper copy of the petition in your > archive, please feel free to download materials and posters from > > http://www.ncaonline.org.uk/publications/reports > > and return them to NCA by 31st January 2006. > Thank you for all your help. > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >

Thanks for the info. Peter and Margaret Godall could hae been insane I guess. Would account for strange behaviour passed down through the genes!!!!. She died in 1847. Judy in sunny Perth

I believe "certified " just means that a doctor had attended. My ggetc Timothy JOHNSON died in 1849 of "consumption, certified" and list replies I have had indicates that this means that a doctor certified his death... not a common procedure in those days. And my own query, what would "senile decay" mean? My ggetc Samuel WEBBER died in 1875 at a reported age of 84 (he was probably actually 80) of "senile decay" Now this is obviously old age BUT does it also imply alzheimers disease? Regards Jane -----Original Message----- From: Judy Goodall [mailto:judygood1@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 2:31 p.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Death Certificate I have just received a death certificate for my ggggrandmother Margaret Goodall and cause of death is given as: general decay 21 years certified. Does anyone know what that would mean please. Judy in sunny Perth ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 23/11/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 23/11/2005

Hello, My great great grandmother died in 1870 of "general decay" aged just 39. She had had 6 children, the last a few months before her death but only two survived. The area she lived in was known for lead smelting and marshland - neither particularly good for the health. I was advised that in this context it could be a) a lazy doctor b) an unspecified disease process that the patient didn't recover from c) the doctor didn't know d) the doctor knew more than he was prepared to write down e) she was already badly rundown, caught a bug, curled up and died In her case I can't say I blame her if she'd lost the will to live - her husband was a difficult man. Even these days patients suffer illnesses that the medical establishment has problems diagnosing - the patient dies when heart, liver, kidneys or brain pack up. Not sure if that helps you but it adds a few more factors to consider. Happy Christmas, Natalia Natalia A. McKenzie Free Census Project: http://www.freecen.org.uk/ Flintshire & Denbighshire Coordinator http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/na.mckenzie/flintshire.html Wales Regional Coordinator FreeCEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Goodall" <judygood1@hotmail.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: [Ham] Death Certificate > Many thanks for the replies to my request but my ggggrandmother was only 59 > when she died. If she had general decay for 21 years I don't think would be > due to old age. Any more ideas please and Merry Christmas to you all. > Judy in cloudy Perth > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > practice safe text - tell the Listowners about virus worries - DON'T > SPREAD IT ON THE LIST! > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 > >

Ho Everybody I have a John Trusler or Tusler allegedly born in Shipton, Hants c1802 who seems to have married an Eliza Williams in Shipton Bellinger in 1835. I can't find any reference to this marriage on the net doesn't matter what criteria or surname spelling I use. Any clues? Merry Christmas Peter Jones PS As a slight diversion, I keep saying 'Ho' to everyone at this time of year but no-one ever comments on it. Is that strange or just me?

HO HO Peter, The Shipton Bellinger Parish Records are held at the Hampshire County Record Office. They are not likely to be on line unless they were filmed by IGI or an individual has transcribed them and put them on line. There are some early Marriages on Alan McGowan's excellent Hampshire site at http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory. The village does not appear on Hugh Wallis's very useful site so it seems that IGI has not filmed them. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ It might be worth an email to the Winchester Record Office to see if they can help. Happy Christmas plus a few more HO HO's, Jean in Hampshire

I got it just now with the link that Edna gave. No problems. Just keep trying? Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Christmas" <ray.christmas@inspire.net.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ham] Petition to Tessa Jowell in support of Archives > Hi Edna, > > The petition web site is presently unavailable, to me anyway. Can you still > get at it? > Could it be temporarily closed down for whatever? > > Regards, > Ray Christmas, New Zealand. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> > To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:21 AM > Subject: [Ham] Petition to Tessa Jowell in support of Archives > > > > If you haven't already done so please > > consider signing the petition. No need to discuss this on the list. > > > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > STOP PRESS > > > > Due to the overwhelming response to the National Council on > > Archives' online petition, the collection date has been extended until > > > > 31st January 2006 > > > > to allow even more people to sign and for even more archives to > > get involved. Many thanks to all those people who have already signed and > > organised paper copies of the petition. > > > > The petition can be found at > > > > http://www.ncaonline.org.uk/announcements/save_the_countrys_memory > > > > The National Council on Archives will continue to lobby government > > and funding bodies to convince them that putting archives higher up the > > agenda is worthwhile. Chronic under-funding of archives means that some UK > > collections remain un-catalogued, housed in unsuitable conditions or > > unused. In the worst cases important archives are sold to overseas buyers. > > > > By signing this petition you will be helping to protect the > > nation's heritage and showing your support for archives. The petition will > > be sent to Tessa Jowell, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. > > > > If you would like to put a paper copy of the petition in your > > archive, please feel free to download materials and posters from > > > > http://www.ncaonline.org.uk/publications/reports > > > > and return them to NCA by 31st January 2006. > > Thank you for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on > > >

Yes, it's there -- bring up the URL below and see Petition.... All the best Ray for Christmas and the New Year. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Christmas" <ray.christmas@inspire.net.nz> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Petition to Tessa Jowell in support of Archives Hi Edna, The petition web site is presently unavailable, to me anyway. Can you still get at it? Could it be temporarily closed down for whatever? Regards, Ray Christmas, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:21 AM Subject: [Ham] Petition to Tessa Jowell in support of Archives > If you haven't already done so please > consider signing the petition. No need to discuss this on the list. > > Edna - Ottawa > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > STOP PRESS > > Due to the overwhelming response to the National Council on > Archives' online petition, the collection date has been extended until > > 31st January 2006 > > to allow even more people to sign and for even more archives to > get involved. Many thanks to all those people who have already signed and > organised paper copies of the petition. > > The petition can be found at > > http://www.ncaonline.org.uk/announcements/save_the_countrys_memory > > The National Council on Archives will continue to lobby government > and funding bodies to convince them that putting archives higher up the > agenda is worthwhile. Chronic under-funding of archives means that some UK > collections remain un-catalogued, housed in unsuitable conditions or > unused. In the worst cases important archives are sold to overseas buyers. > > By signing this petition you will be helping to protect the > nation's heritage and showing your support for archives. The petition will > be sent to Tessa Jowell, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. > > If you would like to put a paper copy of the petition in your > archive, please feel free to download materials and posters from > > http://www.ncaonline.org.uk/publications/reports > > and return them to NCA by 31st January 2006. > Thank you for all your help. > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on

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Many thanks for the replies to my request but my ggggrandmother was only 59 when she died. If she had general decay for 21 years I don't think would be due to old age. Any more ideas please and Merry Christmas to you all. Judy in cloudy Perth

I don't have great knowledge of certificates but on some that I have the 'certified xx years' indicates how long the person had suffered from the ailment. If this person was in their old age they could have been 'generally decaying' for some time? Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. >I have just received a death certificate for my ggggrandmother Margaret >Goodall and cause of death is given as: > general decay 21 years certified. > Does anyone know what that would mean please. > Judy in sunny Perth > >

Hi Bryan - not sure if you have received a response but this looks like your lass in 1871: Wellington St, Aldershot Eliza? LOCKWOOD 34 Wid. Hotelkeeper. B Hartley Row, Hants Clara E 2. B Aldershot Florence E 1. B Aldershot Emily CRANFORD 64 Mother/Wid. Housekeeper. B Winchfield, Hants. Plus a number of servants. The entries for 1861 are: Chester Arms, Farnborough, Ash, Surrey Frederick LOCKWOOD 30 Innkeeper. B Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire Eliza 23. B Hartley Row, Hants Maria HADWELL 14 Barmaid/niece. B Notting Hill, London. Mary A NORRELL 25 Visitor/builders wife. b Winchfield, Hants (this may be Eliza's sister as there is a NORRELL grandchild staying with Emily and William CRANFORD in Farnham, Surrey. William is also an innkeeper) In 1851 William and Emily are in Winchfield with children Henry, Sarah Ann and Kate. William is an ag lab. Eliza CRANFORD is a housemaid in Hothfield, Kent Frederick LOCKWOOD is living with his brother William in Luton, Bedfordshire, listed as 'bonnet blocker'. Frederick LOCKWOOD and Eliza CRANDFORD (sic) were married Jun Q 1860 Reg Hartley Wintney. Frederick appears to have died in 1869 Reg Farnham. There is a possible marriage registered in Strand 1871 Dec Q between Eliza LOCKWOOD and John CUNNINGHAM. Hope this is helpful. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Hi to all on the list > > My name is Bryan DIX from Durban in South Africa and am new to the list. I > have just found some family in Hampshire and would appreciate some help in > locating a Flora or Florence Emma Maude LOCKWOOD on the 1871 census. > > Her datails are: Born ca 1870 in Aldershott according to the 1881 census, > I am desperately trying to find who her parents were. In 1881 she was > living with an Eliza CUNNNINGHAM in Lynchwood Rd, Farnborough and aged 10. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Merry Christmas to all. > Bryan > >

I have just received a death certificate for my ggggrandmother Margaret Goodall and cause of death is given as: general decay 21 years certified. Does anyone know what that would mean please. Judy in sunny Perth

Hi Gail I have checked these names on the census' for you and found the following:- ALLEN 1851 Census 37 West Street, Havant Ref HO 107/1656 page 11. John Allen Head Marr 39 Harness Maker Journeyman Hants Waltham Mary Ann Allen Wife Marr 37 Hants Havant Mary Ann Allen Dau Unmarr 11 Scholar Hants Havant William Allen Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Hants Havant Thomas AYLWIN Appr Unmarr 20 Harness Maker Appr Sussex Traford. 1861 ALLEN 80 East Street Havant Ref # RG9?631 Page 18 John Allen Head Marr 44 Saddler Harness Maker Hants Bishops Waltham Mary A Allen Wife Marr 44 Hants Havant William F Allen Son Unmarr 20 Saddler Harness Maker Hants Havant Marianne F Allen Dau Unmarr 19 Hants Havant William MILES Boarder Unmarr 24 Saddler Harness Maker Hants Bishops Waltham 1871 ALLEN Havant Ref # ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Collins" <gcollins@vaxxine.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: [Ham] Census for COUZENS > Is it possible for a lookup for the follow COUZEN families in the Havant > area of Hampshire > > 1851 - Henry COUZENS 41 (born 1801 Havant) wife Eliza > 1861 - Henry Couzens 51 (born Havant) > 1871 - Henry Couzens 61 (Havant) > > 1851 William COUZENS 48 (born 1803 Havant) wife Martha > 1861 William Couzens 58 > 1871 William Couzens 68 > > 1851 Sarah Couzens MOORE 45 (born 1806 Havant) husband William Moore > 1861 " " 55 > 1871 " " 65 > > 1851 Mary Ann Couzens ALLEN 43 (born 1808 Havant) husband John Allen > 1861 " " 53 > 1871 " " 63 > > 1851 Thomas COUZENS 50 (1810 born Havant) > 1861 Thomas " 60 > 1871 Thomas " 70 > > Merry Christmas and Sincere thanks - GAIL in Ontario Canada > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 > >

Could it be, Judy, that Margaret Goodall had been certified insane when she was about 38? People in Britain were using "certified" as a synonym for "mad" quite a while ago, and the requirement that a person should not without a doctor's certificate be classified as insane dates back to the 18th century. In which year did she die? There was a big rise in the number of people certified insane during the course of the 19th century. Best wishes,

Hi Linda and Tony Thank you very much indeed for your swift response and for all your help, it is much appreciated. All the best to you and yours for the festive season. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: [Ham] LOCKWOOD 1871 Census help please > > Hi Bryan will send image off list as attachment. > Linda & Tony > > > all on the list > > My name is Bryan DIX from Durban in South Africa and am new to the list. I > have just found some family in Hampshire and would appreciate some help in > locating a Flora or Florence Emma Maude LOCKWOOD on the 1871 census. > > Her datails are: Born ca 1870 in Aldershott according to the 1881 census, I > am desperately trying to find who her parents were. In 1881 she was living > with an Eliza CUNNNINGHAM in Lynchwood Rd, Farnborough and aged 10. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Merry Christmas to all. > Bryan > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > >

Sorry didnt notice age at death. It would be a general term for what we would now call total systems failure or terminal entropy, heart pulmonary, circulation and kidney failure. maybe TB and pulmonary disease. Sounds as though she had been chronically ill for some time. Kidney failure was a common cause of death in the young in those days. Angela