Hi Gail I have sent copies of the 3 census returns to you off list Kind regards Carol Patis Very cold Gosport, Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Collins" <gcollins@vaxxine.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: [Ham] Census Request > May I request a census lookup for the following living in Hampshire (most > likely Havant area) > > 1861 Census > Charles Couzens (born 1826 Havant) 35 years old > > 1871 > Charles Couzens (as above) 45 years old > > 1881 > Charles Couzes 55 years old > > Sincere thanks and Best Wishes for 2006 > GAIL in Ontario > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be! > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005

May I request a census lookup for the following living in Hampshire (most likely Havant area) 1861 Census Charles Couzens (born 1826 Havant) 35 years old 1871 Charles Couzens (as above) 45 years old 1881 Charles Couzes 55 years old Sincere thanks and Best Wishes for 2006 GAIL in Ontario

Hi Alan I recently found out my Aunty married her husband twice. First non catholic and then about 9 months later they married again in a catholic church. She was a catholic and presumably wanted her daughter christened in the catholic church.. One of her daughters could not believe what I found!! So are the marriages in different faiths?? Interesting. The above probably does not apply in your case but is a reason for marrying twice. Ha ha Season's Greetings to all from a wonderful summer down here. Ron Hooker ron.hooker@paradise.net.nz 03 981 9269 or 025 766 999 P O Box 15052 Christchurch -----Original Message----- From: ALAN FOXALL [mailto:alan.foxall@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 4:25 a.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Married Twice Hi List I would welcome you comments or opinions on the following:- My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. At face value there seems to be no reason to go through another wedding , but I would like any suggestion or opinions that might explain this occurance? Can I wish you all a very Happy New Year. Alan Foxall ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

Nice one Ron, but as you say it doesn't quite fit the bill. Enjoy your summer the temperature here is around minus 2 and dropping. Happy New Year mate. Alan Foxall Ron Hooker <ron.hooker@paradise.net.nz> wrote: Hi Alan I recently found out my Aunty married her husband twice. First non catholic and then about 9 months later they married again in a catholic church. She was a catholic and presumably wanted her daughter christened in the catholic church.. One of her daughters could not believe what I found!! So are the marriages in different faiths?? Interesting. The above probably does not apply in your case but is a reason for marrying twice. Ha ha Season's Greetings to all from a wonderful summer down here. Ron Hooker ron.hooker@paradise.net.nz 03 981 9269 or 025 766 999 P O Box 15052 Christchurch -----Original Message----- From: ALAN FOXALL [mailto:alan.foxall@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 4:25 a.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Married Twice Hi List I would welcome you comments or opinions on the following:- My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. At face value there seems to be no reason to go through another wedding , but I would like any suggestion or opinions that might explain this occurance? Can I wish you all a very Happy New Year. Alan Foxall ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Turn over a new leaf - there might be a new ancestor hiding underneath Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

On the matter of his age, FreeBMD lists a death of a Thomas FOXALL in 1871 (Jun qtr) Alverstoke. The age stated is 79 making his dob as 1792 which would agree with his age in 1854 as 62. This of course was the age given by the person who reported the death, so could easily be in error. Have you checked the censuses 1851-71? He should appear in them as his time in the Navy probably expired in the early 1830's. As to the marriage;as a naval pensioner, he may have applied to be an "out-pensioner" of Greenwich (he was of an age and all seaman paid 6d a month towards the upkeep of the Hospital, so he could have been eligible) and needed a marriage certificate. Having lost the original and not knowing how to acquire a copy, they married again, possible deliberately misstating his age to prevent any discovery, a lie that they would probably repeat in the Censuses and his death certificate. Am I reading to many mystery books? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN FOXALL" <alan.foxall@btinternet.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [Ham] Married Twice > Hi List > > I would welcome you comments or opinions on the following:- > > My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. > > At face value there seems to be no reason to go through another wedding , but I would like any suggestion or opinions that might explain this occurance? > > Can I wish you all a very Happy New Year. > > Alan Foxall > > > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Treat others as you wish to be treated yourselves, with respect > Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk >

Executions ~~ http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/index.htm Edna - Ottawa Happy New Year!

Hi Lynda Thanks for those thoughts, it certainly possible although I do have FMD and Parish Record data (no certificates) for the husbands death in 1841 and the marriage of Ann and her husband in 1827. To absolutely sure I will check and get the actual death certificate. Many thanks for your help Alan Foxall Lynda Ahmad <lynda@ahmad1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: A few thoughts: Could there have been something technically wrong with the first marriage which they put right by having the second (perhaps Thomas' age being wrong)? Is it possible that in fact she was not a widow at the time of the first marriage (husband missing presumed dead & turns up later?). Do you have details of her first husband's death? Or was it even possible that she never married her first husband and was therefore not technically a widow for the 1845 wedding? Regards, Lynda ----- Original Message ----- > My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. > Alan Foxall ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== If all our ancestors were in a tree what a BIG tree -house that would be!

A few thoughts: Could there have been something technically wrong with the first marriage which they put right by having the second (perhaps Thomas' age being wrong)? Is it possible that in fact she was not a widow at the time of the first marriage (husband missing presumed dead & turns up later?). Do you have details of her first husband's death? Or was it even possible that she never married her first husband and was therefore not technically a widow for the 1845 wedding? Regards, Lynda ----- Original Message ----- > My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. > Alan Foxall

Hi Linda & Tony Yes both the Fathers match on both certificates. Regarding the vows that what I oringally thought, but the first wedding was in Church and the second in the Register Office, so I tend to thing that is unlikely. The only other thought is that they got divorced and the re-married, but as a Seaman I would not have thought they had the money for that. Alan Knightroots@aol.com wrote: Possibly re establishing their vows in church. Presumably the fathers match on both ? (when you mention the age discrepancy just checking, but imagine they would be) Linda & Tony: I would welcome you comments or opinions on the following:- My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. At face value there seems to be no reason to go through another wedding , but I would like any suggestion or opinions that might explain this occurance? Can I wish you all a very Happy New Year. Alan Foxall ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots

Hi List I would welcome you comments or opinions on the following:- My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. At face value there seems to be no reason to go through another wedding , but I would like any suggestion or opinions that might explain this occurance? Can I wish you all a very Happy New Year. Alan Foxall

Possibly re establishing their vows in church. Presumably the fathers match on both ? (when you mention the age discrepancy just checking, but imagine they would be) Linda & Tony: I would welcome you comments or opinions on the following:- My Great Great Grandfather- Thomas William Foxall seems to have been married twice to the same woman. The first time was on July 6th 1845 @ the Parish Church of alverstoke (Sept Quarter Volume 7 Page 31) on the certificate for this marriage his wife Ann Jones nee Cleverley uses her widows name of Jones. Now nine years later on September 4,1854 @ Alverstoke Register Office (Sept Quarter volume 26 page 629) they seem to tie the knot again, although this time Ann sign in as Ann Cleverley. The major difference in the details of the certificates is Thomas's age is out by six years as he would have been 62 in 1854 and not 56 as shown on the second certificate. At face value there seems to be no reason to go through another wedding , but I would like any suggestion or opinions that might explain this occurance? Can I wish you all a very Happy New Year. Alan Foxall

And here in not so sunny Dunedin at 45 deg 51 min (circa) and it is like an English Christmas... where has our summer gone?? Happy (and I understand now politically incorrect) Christmas to all Jane -----Original Message----- From: Ron Hooker [mailto:ron.hooker@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 4:03 p.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Degrees Seasons Greetings to all. I am roughly close to 45 degree - ah but SOUTH. Also roughly close to 180 degree. E or W take your pick it is the same at 180 !! It is accurately 172 deg 42 min 00.548 Sec East and 43 deg 30 min 26.814 Sec South that is our front gate. Christchurch NZ.......... Ron Hooker ron.hooker@paradise.net.nz 03 981 9269 or 025 766 999 P O Box 15052 Christchurch NZ -----Original Message----- From: Edna [mailto:ekbrit@rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 7:33 a.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year Thanks dear David, think a holiday would be nice in Cannes not sure about Toronto though..... Our weather is snowy but sunny and we must be about the sunniest place in Canada. Now someone is going to check up on my "fact". Now I have here a Latitude of 45.25, Longitude 75.41, which is just a smidgen north of Toronto. Have a fine Christmas and Good Health to you all. Edna - snowy Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> Cc: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year Remember Edna that you in Ottawa/Stittsville are of course much further north than we are in balmy Toronto (47°40 N) which is on the same level as Cannes. Here we get an average of only 85cm of snow a year, about 60% of your snowfall. The forecast for Christmas Day here is for rain with a high of 2°C, which is only 4°C cooler than London, England. May you all have a happy, blessed Christmas, and may the New Year be a happy one and bring you health and growth to your trees. David. >From a damp but White Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year > > Hi, Weatherman was just saying that we get an average, in Canada, of 200cm of snow per year and that it > snows approx. 83 days. > > Thanks to all, and Linda and Tony, for helping me with my little tree ~~ > > Good Cheer > > Edna n' Ken - snowy Ottawa > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Our ancestors never die heaven knows where they goes. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 23/11/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 23/11/2005

http://www.geocities.com/regimentalbadge/ Military Badges -UK -- this might be a good one.... Edna - Ottawa Happy New Year!

Seasons Greetings to all. I am roughly close to 45 degree - ah but SOUTH. Also roughly close to 180 degree. E or W take your pick it is the same at 180 !! It is accurately 172 deg 42 min 00.548 Sec East and 43 deg 30 min 26.814 Sec South that is our front gate. Christchurch NZ.......... Ron Hooker ron.hooker@paradise.net.nz 03 981 9269 or 025 766 999 P O Box 15052 Christchurch NZ -----Original Message----- From: Edna [mailto:ekbrit@rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 7:33 a.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year Thanks dear David, think a holiday would be nice in Cannes not sure about Toronto though..... Our weather is snowy but sunny and we must be about the sunniest place in Canada. Now someone is going to check up on my "fact". Now I have here a Latitude of 45.25, Longitude 75.41, which is just a smidgen north of Toronto. Have a fine Christmas and Good Health to you all. Edna - snowy Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> Cc: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year Remember Edna that you in Ottawa/Stittsville are of course much further north than we are in balmy Toronto (47°40 N) which is on the same level as Cannes. Here we get an average of only 85cm of snow a year, about 60% of your snowfall. The forecast for Christmas Day here is for rain with a high of 2°C, which is only 4°C cooler than London, England. May you all have a happy, blessed Christmas, and may the New Year be a happy one and bring you health and growth to your trees. David. From a damp but White Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year > > Hi, Weatherman was just saying that we get an average, in Canada, of 200cm of snow per year and that it > snows approx. 83 days. > > Thanks to all, and Linda and Tony, for helping me with my little tree ~~ > > Good Cheer > > Edna n' Ken - snowy Ottawa > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on

Hello Gill and Don Noticed the Morris in the subject. I am interested in MORRIS around the Winchester area. Any help? Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire Researching: HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; MOORE, BURTON; WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire WILSON, Surrey; BROWN Hants/Wilts, MATTINGLEY, Berks CARR Middlesex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Jones" <g.jones@connectfree.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Lane/Morris > Hi Don Hayward > I was just sorting through my email list deleting irrelevant ones when I > came across your one to me dated 2/12/05. For some unknown reason I didn't > open the attached family tree at the time. Apologies. Now I have seen it I > have some comments/queries relating to it. > 1. children of William Lane & Elizabeth Harding Warne - I had not > previously come across Edith Harriet (Did she die in early childhood like > Mary ann Elizabeth?) but I do have a Walter in this generation as well as > the previous one (who I believe married Ellen Wiltshire) who you have not > included. > 2. William Richard Henry Lane was born 18/3/1868, and died 4/6/1948 > Gosport > 3. William Lane was born 22/6/1840 and married 30/5/1863 > 4. Mary Ann Storey died 1849 aged 38 and so must have been born about > 1811but I don't know where she originally came from. > 5. William Lane was born 27/8/1902, and died 8/12/1985 Aylesbury, Bucks > > Are you related to the Morris part of the tree? > Gill >

Most probably it will be Canadian snow, the softest variety ~~~ Edna - (;-))ttawa *************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year Snow is believed to be the soft landings over UK Tuesday but won't be catching up with cool Ottawa.... Take care all Linda & Tony ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Visit the knightroots website at www.knightroots.co.uk

Snow is believed to be the soft landings over UK Tuesday but won't be catching up with cool Ottawa.... Take care all Linda & Tony

Thanks dear David, think a holiday would be nice in Cannes not sure about Toronto though..... Our weather is snowy but sunny and we must be about the sunniest place in Canada. Now someone is going to check up on my "fact". Now I have here a Latitude of 45.25, Longitude 75.41, which is just a smidgen north of Toronto. Have a fine Christmas and Good Health to you all. Edna - snowy Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID PARKER" <parker3250@rogers.com> To: "Edna & Ken" <ekbrit@rogers.com> Cc: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year Remember Edna that you in Ottawa/Stittsville are of course much further north than we are in balmy Toronto (47°40 N) which is on the same level as Cannes. Here we get an average of only 85cm of snow a year, about 60% of your snowfall. The forecast for Christmas Day here is for rain with a high of 2°C, which is only 4°C cooler than London, England. May you all have a happy, blessed Christmas, and may the New Year be a happy one and bring you health and growth to your trees. David. From a damp but White Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year > > Hi, Weatherman was just saying that we get an average, in Canada, of 200cm of snow per year and that it > snows approx. 83 days. > > Thanks to all, and Linda and Tony, for helping me with my little tree ~~ > > Good Cheer > > Edna n' Ken - snowy Ottawa > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >

Remember Edna that you in Ottawa/Stittsville are of course much further north than we are in balmy Toronto (47°40 N) which is on the same level as Cannes. Here we get an average of only 85cm of snow a year, about 60% of your snowfall. The forecast for Christmas Day here is for rain with a high of 2°C, which is only 4°C cooler than London, England. May you all have a happy, blessed Christmas, and may the New Year be a happy one and bring you health and growth to your trees. David. From a damp but White Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna" <ekbrit@rogers.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [Ham] Xmas Greetings & Healthy New Year > > Hi, Weatherman was just saying that we get an average, in Canada, of 200cm of snow per year and that it > snows approx. 83 days. > > Thanks to all, and Linda and Tony, for helping me with my little tree ~~ > > Good Cheer > > Edna n' Ken - snowy Ottawa > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots >

Hi, Weatherman was just saying that we get an average, in Canada, of 200cm of snow per year and that it snows approx. 83 days. Thanks to all, and Linda and Tony, for helping me with my little tree ~~ Good Cheer Edna n' Ken - snowy Ottawa Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year