The next SMITH family we have and ar hoping for possible connections to:- William SMITH born 1823/4 Winchester married Elizabeth EXTON born 1839 Alverstoke in Alverstoke church 1861. They had the following children:- Mary Ann born 1862 Gosport married Robert PEAD born 1860 Portsea in 1891 St Matthews church Gosport Also Annie born 1868/9 Gosport Anyone connected? Linda and Tony

OK next SMITH possible we are hoping to find some connections to... James SMITH born 1822 Shorwell married Eliza TAYLOR born 1822 Carisbrooke in 1848 at Carisbrooke They had the following children:- (all born Carisbrooke) Henry J SMITH born 1849 died 1863 Alfred SMITH born 1850 died 1885 William SMITH born 1853 Mary Ann SMITH born 1856 Walter J SMITH born 1859 Shalto SMITH born 1862 married Minnie HOLLIS in 1888 at Shalfleet . Minnie died in 1890 and Shalto remarried to Eleanor ? born 1867/8 New Cross London in 1896 and they had a son Wilfred born Battersea. Any possible connections anyone? We would love to hear from you. Linda and Tony

Hi Linda and Tony, Not sure if my SMITHs are connected to you but I have some! Mine are connected with the DEAN name of Basingstoke and Pamber (beautiful place, by the way!) Ann SMITH was baptized on 20 July 1823 in Pamber, Hampshire. Her parents are listed as: James SMITH and Sarah. [Found on fiche records in Winchester - 1998] I have not been able to find if she had any siblings. Ann SMITH marries William DEAN on 30 May 1846 in Basingstoke, Hampshire. [film #1041203 Salt Lake] And, unfortunately, that's all I have on my SMITH line. I have plenty on the DEANs though. jamie in california....jealous of anyone who lives near Pamber....although, it is a beautiful day here...near the beach.... : )

Hello all we have the following SMITH possibles we're hoping to connect to someone..please! David J SMITH born 1857/8 Woolwich married Mary J CANAWAY born 1859 at St Thomas Portsmouth 1888. They had the following children:- Lucy born 1889 Weymouth Ada born 1891 Weymouth May born 1892 Malta David born 1894 Woolwich Sidney born 1896/7 Portsmouth Dora born 1899 Portsea Next SMITH family to follow on next e-mail.. Linda and Tony - hoping to find some new cousins ...

Is anyone in Hampshire related to this family? Information I received in a letter. George LAYBURN born abt 1879 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Moved around a lot. Married 1928 in London then moved to Portsmouth then to Portsea. Wife - name unknown was born in Portsmouth. occupation - worked in Post Office. Had 4 sons Robert born 1934, Harry birth date unknown. Years of birth 1929, 1932, 1933. One daughter born 1937 Died 1962 place unknown Thanks for your time with this request Sylvia Heggie Pender Island west coast Canada

Borrowed from another site, might make washday more interesting... http://www.scienceinthebox.com/en_UK/pdf/history-of-washing.pdf Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

A good site but no weather or shipping movements... http://www.harboureye.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa

Just a snippet... 1891 Rate Book showed that Daniel West was paying the rates at 51 Clarence Parade, Southsea. He was a friend of the Hellyer family. Edna - Ottawa Searching HELLYERs & KNIGHTs ~

Always interested in HELLYERs and KNIGHTs of Gosport, Portsmouth, Hambledon and beyond... Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

I'm leaving the list for now but I hope to return in a short while. Thanks to everyone who has given me help tracking down my ancestors Gill

New Year's resolutions should be to update your tree names on the list and so encourage yours and others roots to flourish and bud further. We look forward to hearing from you all as spring will be on its way and blossoms should then further add to more budding. Take care,Linda and Tony

> Subject: A Sad And Lonely Tree >> few words shape a few thoughts for 2006 >>> The Lost Lonely Tree: By Brian Zelley >>> A tree, regardless of the number of leaves, if isolated from other >>> trees >>> away from the forest, the landscape and the county village >>> - what a sad and lonely tree - and how many visitors will >>> will stop and watch, as each leaf goes from shades of green and then >>> a golden brown, then falls down only to become dust in the wind? >>> Think not of your own lonely tree, but the forest of trees. >>> Where even the lost little green leaves that will never >>> turn a golden brown will flourish and be remembered >>> at the forest gate and on the wall of remembrance >>> today, tomorrow - until the end of time!

And I believe Scottish schools still have an allowance for a holiday for the potato harvest in the autumn Regards Jane -----Original Message----- From: DAVID PARKER [mailto:parker3250@rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2006 8:01 a.m. To: HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ham] School terms 1873 Kenneth Some of this may help. . At about that time in England there were during August what were called "harvest holidays" and the opening of school was at times delayed if the harvest was not collected. They would often be closed at other times for other agricultural reasons (Berries, Hay) and of course disease. These Harvest Holidays could be the reason that William Scott's children starting school in September or it could simply be that it took him some time to organise matters. Schooling did not become compulsory until 1880 and was not free until 1891. The rate varied; by class or ability to pay for example a farmer would pay more (4d a week) than farm labourers (2d a week) and by numbers as there was a discount for quantity, probably the reason for the different rates in your case. And no credit was permitted. The sons of the wealthy would of course go to Public School and the daughters would have a governess Until 1870 schooling was provided by the church through Schools which they ran, through Dame Schools (cheaper but substandard) through Ragged Schools ( John Pound was a cobbler in Portsmouth who began to use his shop in 1818 as base for educational activity for local poor children neglected by other institutions) - in 1880 there were about 350 such free school established - and Sunday Schools.. The 1880 Act established a dual system, aiming "to fill the gaps" by establishing Board Schools. Schooling at that time in England was behind the standard of most other Western European nations, and this was the beginning of a slow process of reform. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Scott" <ken@kenscott.com> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [Ham] School terms 1873 > Can anyone give me an idea of what a normal school term would have been > in Portsmouth in 1873? > > My gggrandfather, William Scott, a principal warder at Parkhurst, > became a widower on 16 February 1873 when his first wife died. He was > left with four children ages 4 through 13. On Sunday, 14 of September he > "farmed" the children out to family members in Portstmouth and > Westbourne, paying each of these family members a maintenance fee of 3/6 > per week to 1 pound per month but also paid an additional amount for > schoolinng (seven weeks cost 1/2 for the youngest and 2 shillings per > month for a twelve year old daughter). > > I am trying to determine why all four would have been sent on this > particular day to other family members (some keeping the children for at > least 1 1/2 years) and wondered if it was done because that was the > start of school? There of course could be many other reasons, but would > like to determine if the schooling was a particular cause. > > Any insights much appreciated. > > Kenneth Scott > Dunedin, Florida > > > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightroots.co.uk - click "parish registers" > ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== Genealogy is contagious and you don't have to sneeze to pass it on -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 23/11/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 23/11/2005

Hi Everyone I have been on the list before about my interest in a Charles Dudman marrying an Ann Trusler/Tusler c 1820 in the Shipton/Shipton Bellinger area of Hampshire. Since then I have made an unexpected (to me anyway) discovery about the IGI. Up to now I thought you needed to know the full name of the father and the Christian name of the mother at least before you could search for possible children using the right hand side boxes on the IGI. However I have just discovered that I can put a ? against the Christian name of the mother and still produce results. As a consequence I came across information about Charles's daughter Sarah Jane Dudman which supported what I knew already. However, in addition, I also came across information about a potentially new daughter called Mary Ann THATCHER (aged 26) married to Henry TAYLOR (aged 29) on 12 Oct 1842 in Winston, Hants. Firstly. Do these latter two names ring a bell with anyone? Secondly. I am assuming that Mary Ann Thatcher was Charles's step daughter and that her mother may have been Ann Thatcher who could have married a Mr Trusler/Tusler before she married Charles Dudman. This is a bit of a tortuous explanation but can anyone think of something better? Regards And happy New Year Peter Jones Regards Peter Jones

Here are the DYERs with approx year of birth from censuses & most christenings we have details of all born Gosport. Parents Richard DYER born approx 1827 & Emma MORTIMORE (father William) married Alverstoke 1855.(we have full details) Children were :- Richard 1857 WILLIAM Robert 1859 Harry 1860 James Edward 1861 Emma 1865 John Henry 1867 Eliza 1868 Henry 1870 (may have emigrated to Australia) Louisa 1871 Ann 1874 Alfred 1876 Albert Alfred 1878 Katherine Emily 1879 Arthur Edward 1881 Beatrice Gertrude 1882 If anyone thinks these names connect with you please contact us. Thanks,Linda & Tony

Hello Helen here are the full details. St Mary's Portsea baptisms CHU3/1A/14 March 4th 1810 Eliza Ann daughter of Jas & Mary READ CHU3/1A/14 March 1st 1812 Wm Thos son of Jas & Mary REED CHU3/1B/1 page 37 no 289 April 9th 1813 Mary Ann daughter of James & Mary READ Mile End Shipwright CHU3/1B/1 page 157 January 23rd 1814 Mary Ann daughter of James & Mary Ann READ Hertford Street Labourer CHU3/1B/2 page 76 no 607 July 8th 1815 Harriet Born March 24th 1814 daughter of James & Mary READ Mile End Shipwright CHU3/1B/2 page 32 no 255 April 2nd 1815 James son of James & Mary READ York Row Labourer CHU3/1B/3 page 107 no 853 October 20th 1816 Elizabeth daughter of James & Mary REED Olivers or Chivers ?? Street Labourer CHU3/1B/4 page 49 no 391 May 11th 1817 James son og William & Henry READ Barracks? ???? CHU3/1B/5 page 105 no 835 October 6th 1818 Elizabeth daughter of James & Mary REED Greatham Street Labourer CHU3/1B/6 page 48 no 379 May 9th 1819 Sarah daughter of James & Mary READ South View Shipwright CHU3/1B/8 page 128 no 1017 January 1st 1822 Caroline daughter of James & Mary READ Halfway Houses Shipwright Dockyard CHU3/1B/9 page 71 no 564 Juy 7th 1822 Nancy daughterof James & Mary REED Hyde PArk Terrace Labourer Marriages CHU3/1D/11 No 211 James REED, Bachelor & Mary LOYD,Spinster Both of this parish married after banns May 21st 1811 James REED X her mark & Mary LOYD signed in the presence of X the mark of Mary YOUNG & Richard GUDGE Hope they help,Linda & Tony Can someone please do a look up for me in St. Mary's Portsea? Much appreciated. Have been trying to piece together my great great grandmother's possible siblings. Her name is CAROLINE READ. Helen Sullivan

Knightroots@aol.com wrote this: > The HGS Hampshire Burial Index only goes to 1877. Slight correction.... The HGS Burial Index covers c1400 to 1837. -- Rose Conway Hampshire Genealogical Society Marriage and Burial Indexes

A good Newfoundland site... for those who have any connections to the island. http://ngb.chebucto.org/ Edna - Ottawa

Apologies our error we meant to say 1837 not 1877! Linda & Tony Knightroots@aol.com wrote this: > The HGS Hampshire Burial Index only goes to 1877. Slight correction.... The HGS Burial Index covers c1400 to 1837.

If you go by the names you have you should be able to go back by using 1837online (admittedly a paid site) or the GRO index otherwise free or your local LDS centre. Here is the website for 1837 http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/LogonServlet where you can search for births,marriages and deaths,1837+ Also overseas and other births too quite useful. Hope it helps,Linda & Tony Hi Linda & Tony Thanks very much. Any suggestions on how I can trace this family in this time period after 1945? Joan