Hi, This is not my family but have particulars of a marriage: Robert Fitzgerald Gambier m. Hester Butter 1838 in Hambledon. Edna - Ottawa

don't know if you have this Vicki, but here is the Irish family in 1881 Dwelling: Cornhill Cottage Census Place: Bishops Waltham, Hampshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341302 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1236 Folio 71 Page 17 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph H. IRISH M 29 M Westbourne, Sussex, England Rel: Head Occ: Veterinary Surgeon Elizabeth IRISH M 28 F Cosham, Hampshire, England Rel: Wife Sidney J. IRISH 5 M Liverpool, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Frederick IRISH 2 M Bishops Waltham, Hampshire, England Rel: Son Albert V. IRISH 10 m M Bishops Waltham, Hampshire, England Rel: Son William HOWELLS U 18 M Woolston, Lancashire, England Rel: Servt Occ: Groom (Dom Sert Regards Rose

JOSEPH HENRY IRISH was a Vetinerary Surgeon in Bishops Waltham from about 1880 to 1899 when he died. He and wife ELIZABETH nee CLARK, had 9 children living with them in the 1891 Census. In 1901 I have found (99% sure) widow Elizabeth in the Droxford Union with daughters FLORENCE, ALICE and son LADAS. Any info on this family would be gratefully appreciated - from eg. directories, MIs, etc. Do Union records survive.? I have sent a query to the RCVS already. Vicki

The site is now back up and running - another shilling put in the meter! Take Care Linda & Tony Knight

Anyone trying to access the site in the last 24 hours may get an error message and be diverted to the web Mania web site. The reason for this is that we have a 12Gb data transfer allowance per month and this has been exceeded in January as a result of the 1000+ hits every day. Extra bandwidth has been purchased and the site should be restored very shortly but please bear with us in the meantime. We are looking at an alternative host when the ccount is due for renewal next. Regards Linda & Tony

Thanks Fleet, that would make sense as well - particularly as his son became a blacksmith. Could be that father already had the equipment to heat and deal with the metal. Best Cyndi in windy and dreary Leighton Buzzard, Beds UK So much to learn, so little time ----- Original Message ----- From: Fleet To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] TILLING - odd abbreviation I think it says Ag Mach use, so I would presume for a horse-drawn rake (metal) rather than a hand one. http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/009/009073.htm On 23/01/2008, Seemark <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have my Thomas Tilling shown in the 1881 census as a Rakemaker (Ag Mach > Uhm) I am assuming the Ag Mach refers to agricultural machinery, but for > the life of me I cannot figure out what the Uhm stands for. Does anyone > have any idea please? > <SNIP> > -- > Regards, > > FLEET For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it says Ag Mach use, so I would presume for a horse-drawn rake (metal) rather than a hand one. http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/009/009073.htm On 23/01/2008, Seemark <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have my Thomas Tilling shown in the 1881 census as a Rakemaker (Ag Mach > Uhm) I am assuming the Ag Mach refers to agricultural machinery, but for > the life of me I cannot figure out what the Uhm stands for. Does anyone > have any idea please? > <SNIP> > -- > Regards, > > FLEET

Hi Jeannette - well that does make a lot more sense! I don't actually have copies of the census image(s) but the 1881 print out I have actually states his occupation as Rake Maker (Ag Mach Uhs) which suggests the abbreviation would be agricultural machinery maker. We're actually trying to establish whether he made wooden or iron rakes so if it's machinery maker I think that sounds more "technical" than wooden. Thanks for your thoughts on this, much appreciated. Best Cyndi in dreary and overcast Leighton Buzzard, Beds UK So much to learn, so little time ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeannette Lake To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] TILLING - odd abbreviation Hello Cyndi and David, I think that in both cases (Uhn/Lihn) the abbreviation is actually Mkr, i.e. maker. It's particularly clear (to me at any rate) in the "lihn" case, but I can also now see it in the other. Jeannette> In the same village lived Fredk. Geo. PURTON who is listed as "Rake Maker > Lihn". I suspect that "Lihn" and "Uhm" are the same. > >I have my Thomas Tilling shown in the 1881 census as a Rakemaker (Ag Mach > >Uhm) I am assuming the Ag Mach refers to agricultural machinery, but for > >the life of me I cannot figure out what the Uhm stands for. Does anyone > >have any idea please? > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > > www.knightroots.co.uk> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >

Hi My 3x great uncle was John Price/Pryce Blair who was born in Liverpool c1834 - 8, the son of David John Blair. I have drawn up this timeline for his life: 1878 – married Charlotte Fisher in Wedmore on 25.11 1881 – living in lodgings in Dartmouth at the time of the census 1884 – moved to Petersfield around this time 1889 – listed in Kelly’s Directory as “portrait & landscape photo artist, fancy stationer & picture frame maker.” Chapel Street 1890 – listed in Lavant Street 1892 – (approx) became Guardian for Petersfield 1894 – set up a branch studio in Midhurst 1898 – re-elected Guardian for Petersfield 1903 – elected councillor for UDC 1906 – Charlotte died 31.7 1907 – unsuccessful in seeking re-election as councillor 1910 – retired as Guardian for Petersfield 1912 – retired as a photographer & moved to Eastleigh for a few months 1913 – returned to Petersfield to lodge with Mrs Compton at The Crown Inn, Sussex Road, Petersfield 1914 – returned to Petersfield & died 25.1 in The Crown Inn He was a well-known local character who actively fought for the rights of the poor & wasn't afraid to speak his mind. He spent some time working in America, but unfortunately I havn't been able to find out any more about that yet. While living there, he was initiated into The Good Templars & claimed to be the oldest Good Templar in England! His obituary described him thus: "he had a warm and kindly heart, always ready and keen to combat injustice to the poor and needy, and we venture to believe that it will be as a friend of the poor that his memory will be cherished the longest". If anyone else is researching John Blair or his family, I would love to hear from you! Kind regards Liz Jones

Hello Cyndi and David, I think that in both cases (Uhn/Lihn) the abbreviation is actually Mkr, i.e. maker. It's particularly clear (to me at any rate) in the "lihn" case, but I can also now see it in the other. Jeannette> In the same village lived Fredk. Geo. PURTON who is listed as "Rake Maker > Lihn". I suspect that "Lihn" and "Uhm" are the same. > >I have my Thomas Tilling shown in the 1881 census as a Rakemaker (Ag Mach > >Uhm) I am assuming the Ag Mach refers to agricultural machinery, but for > >the life of me I cannot figure out what the Uhm stands for. Does anyone > >have any idea please? > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > > www.knightroots.co.uk> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com

I have my Thomas Tilling shown in the 1881 census as a Rakemaker (Ag Mach Uhm) I am assuming the Ag Mach refers to agricultural machinery, but for the life of me I cannot figure out what the Uhm stands for. Does anyone have any idea please? Cyndi in Leighton Buzzard, Beds UK So much to learn, so little time

Hi Cyndi, A few ideas but no definite answer. In the same village lived Fredk. Geo. PURTON who is listed as "Rake Maker Lihn". I suspect that "Lihn" and "Uhm" are the same. Elsewhere in Hampshire there is a "Rake Maker Turner Ag Impt" "Impt" = Implement ?? In the 1881 the word "turner" is often associated with "Rake maker," but to translate "Lihn/Uhn" as "Turner" is stretching it somewhat. In the 1871 your Thomas is listed as a "Rake Maker Master", but to translate "Lihn/Uhn" as Master is an even greater stretch As I said no definite answer just a few ideas David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seemark" <[email protected]> To: "Hants Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: [HAM] TILLING - odd abbreviation >I have my Thomas Tilling shown in the 1881 census as a Rakemaker (Ag Mach >Uhm) I am assuming the Ag Mach refers to agricultural machinery, but for >the life of me I cannot figure out what the Uhm stands for. Does anyone >have any idea please? > > Cyndi in Leighton Buzzard, Beds UK > So much to learn, so little time > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 4g-grandparents are John (b Sopley c1767) and Elizabeth (b c1771) Lane. I can find a marriage for John Lane & Elizabeth Wossen at Chch 24/04/1808. John of Chch, she a sojourner. Looks as though it could be a second marriage for both. My 3g-grandmother is Ann Lane b c1810. Wossen is not a common name but interestingly there is also a marriage for a Winifred Wossen at Chch in 1803. Is anyone researching either of these names ! Regards Francis Payne Auckland, New Zealand.

Thanks, David for those precise details. It really makes the newspaper notices fit into what was happening at the time. I appreciate you taking the time Lyn Australia

Thanks Jean, Irene and Mike for your replies. Should have thought of "Googling" but now I have, I can see that the Volunteer movement was strong in England and probably the result of revolutionary movements in many places - I hadn't known there was an Irish rebellion in 1798. Thanks Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mallett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] War in 1798? > This was the start of the Napoleonic wars when there were many volunteers > units in the UK > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lyn Mealey <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 4:57 >> Subject: [HAM] War in 1798? >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> In researching my Scard family names in the London Gazette, I >> found 2 notices in >> 1798 >> >> 26th May 1798 >> >> John Scard Gent to be Lieutenant with the Eling Volunteers. >> >> Also Walter Raleigh Smith to be an Ensign >> >> >> >> 3rd July 1798 >> >> Benness Scard to be Ensign with Stratford Under the Castle of >> Old Sarum Volunteers. >> >> >> >> Probably showing my ignorance here, but would anyone be able >> to tell me what war >> was happening or threatening that would require these volunteers? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Lyn >> >> Australia >> For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the >> Hampshire OPC at >> www.knightroots.co.uk >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of >> the message >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> __________ >> AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at >> http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. >> For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the >> Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Probably the Irish Rebellion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1798 Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Mealey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: [HAM] Event around 1798 > Hi > > In researching my Scard family names in the London Gazette, I found 2 > notices in 1798 > > 26th May 1798 > > John Scard Gent to be Lieutenant with the Eling Volunteers. > > Also Walter Raleigh Smith to be an Ensign > > > > 3rd July 1798 > > Benness Scard to be Ensign with Stratford Under the Castle of Old Sarum > Volunteers. > > > > Would anyone be able to tell me what war was happening or threatening that > would require these volunteers? > > > > Regards > > Lyn > > Australia > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi In researching my Scard family names in the London Gazette, I found 2 notices in 1798 26th May 1798 John Scard Gent to be Lieutenant with the Eling Volunteers. Also Walter Raleigh Smith to be an Ensign 3rd July 1798 Benness Scard to be Ensign with Stratford Under the Castle of Old Sarum Volunteers. Probably showing my ignorance here, but would anyone be able to tell me what war was happening or threatening that would require these volunteers? Regards Lyn Australia

A JOHN WHIFFEN was a baker in Alveley, Essex in 1881, but moved with his family to Aldershot where the family lived in Victoria Street. He was married to a dressmaker named Maria, whose home town was Aldershot. I have not yet found their marriage. The children were John Charles, who appears in the 1881 census but not in the later ones. He seems to have been named for his uncle, husband of his father's sister Maria, CHARLES HENDERSON, who had been in the Royal Artillery but by 1891 was a city missionary. Other children of John and Maria Whiffen were MARY ELLEN, EDITH SARAH MAUDE, BEATRICE EVELINE and LILLY ROSE, and another son, WALTER WILLIAM, who worked for a tailor. As Charles and Maria had daughters Edith and Maud it seems that the families were close, even though the Hendersons lived in London and then in Willesden, Middlesex. I am interested to know if anyone else is researching this group of families. John Whiffen's father, by the way, also JOHN WHIFFEN (sometimes WIFFEN) was married to a CATHERINE who was born in Wexford, Ireland. He was a Royal Marine. In one census they have a MARY PARROT called mother-in-law living with them in England, widow of a farmer in Wexford and born in Wexford. Thank you, and go well! Ivy Trott in South Africa.

To: Hampshire ListRe: Surname spelling I love the variations in spelling, because it gives you a clue to how the name was pronounced by the owner. My g-g-g grandfather was born Halcombe (so that would be based on how his father pronounced it), married as Hockham and died a Holkham. Did he change the pronunciation during his lifetime, or was there one pronunciation that fits all three? I'm still trying to figure it out! A further clue is given by his grandfather, who's will gives the name Hawkham. In all, my ancestry contains 7 different spellings, and in my database of Holcombes, Holkhams and variants, there are more than 55. It makes searching for ancestors quite frustrating, but it's all good fun. Best wishes Tony Holkham (probably) Petersfield

Don't despair if you can't find your relatives - try using some creative spelling! I've been transcribing parish registers from Andover in the 1760s to 1780s and the variation in spelling, even within a single record, is amazing. In some marriage records it states that Groom and Bride had banns called, then that Groom and Bride were married and then signatures (or crosses against the written name) are at the bottom. It can be that all three occurrences are spelled differently! Some examples: COCK, COCKS, COX, HISCOCK, HISCOX WIX, WEEKS SPINSTER, SPENCER, SPENSER HOLDWAY, HOULDWAY, HOLDAWAY and I suspect HOLLOWAY, HOLOWAY etc RAMBOLD, RUMBOLD, RAMBELL GOODALE, GOODALL, GOODAL GULLIVER, GULLIFORD, GULLFORD HILLIER, HILLYEAR, HILLEAR HUGHES, HEWS, HUES, HUSE THREADGOLD, TREADGOLD, TREDGOLD MUNDAY, MUNDY DOWLING, DORLING, DORLINE, DARLING GOULDING, GOLDING PACE, PAICE, PAYCE GIBENS, GIBBONS FIGES, FIGIS, FIGGISS PYPER, PIPER And just when I got really bored with typing Joseph & Elizabeth, Joseph & Mary, John & Mary, James & Jane, John & Jane there were the occasional really exotic names - some of which are listed below: Allthe Allthenah Ambrosiah Arathusa Argent Batcheler a woman's name Beata Belchior Blandinah Cherry Choyce Clementina Degenira Deianira Dulcybela Elyas Freelove Herculas Laban Mehetable Onesipherus Oswell Parthenah Pentecost Rawlence Salatiel Samad Selah Silenah Theodosius a woman's name There is a Freelove WINTER, Cherry Hedges and a number of Benjamin BUNNYs. There is a Shalloon maker and a Mantua maker. There is a child born out of wedlock of whose reputed father, the clerk notes, was "A Frenchman" (unnamed). There are the burials of Emanuel SMITH who was killed by an officer in the Excise in 1781 and a stranger who died in the street - name unknown. And the sad baptism of the child of a stranger whose mother died and whose name was unknown. Some burials have the note "A Hessian soldier" beside them. The clerk also noted when a local girl married "a soldier". What makes me smile is when a child is born out of wedlock ("base born" or "bastard") the clerk writes "reputed father ..." but some girls name their child after his/her father e.g. "Richard KNIGHT baseborn child of Susannah BROWN reputed father Richard KNIGHT". No one is going to doubt his parentage as he grows up in the town! There is some entertainment to be had from transcribing parish records! Smiles Diz