Hi Lynda If you like to email me off list I will give you the details for a lovely lady who has been researching the Hougthon family for years and years and may well be able to throw some light on your marriage. This dear lady has a room full of all her research, all very well organised and recorded. Best wishes Bev

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Further to my first message, in 1861 John is indexed as CANTE. Living in Winchester as in your posting. Birthplace transcribed as Batley (they don't make it easy!!) and birthdate 1782. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. Subject: [HAM] John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton > Hi All, > I am hoping someone can help me with a marriage record for John Cawte and > Elizabeth Houghton on 14.2.1811 in Alverstoke. > I was originally given this information by a fellow researcher who had > done his research by physically visiting the parishes rather than > relying on internet details. He has John Cawte baptised 26.7.1781 at > Botley as the son of Robert Cawte and Elizabeth Paye. > John was required to administer the estate of his mother (Elizabeth Paye) > who died in 1784. He has John married to Elizabeth Houghton > and living with 2 daughters at Mottisfont in 1851. The 1841 census concurs > with wife and 2 daughters, although dates of birth for John and > Elizabeth do not exactly match. Apparently there is also a 1861 census > record which shows John as a retired gate keeper at Winchester. > I have only found the 1841 record myself. > The problem is that another researcher has also got a John Cawte married > to Elizabeth Houghton but their John was born in 1776 and has > different parents to mine. Is there any way to check the marriage record > to see if it gives the name of John Cawte's father? > Is it possible to find the 1851/1861 census records where (apparently) the > dates of birth better match the dates we have above? > I would be grateful for any advice. > Lynda

Hi Lynda - not an answer to your riddle but in 1851 the family in Mottisfont is indexed as EAWTE on Ancestry. Birthdate is 1783, birthplace Botley and occupation railway gate keeper. Hope this helps a little. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand Subject: [HAM] John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton > Hi All, > I am hoping someone can help me with a marriage record for John Cawte and > Elizabeth Houghton on 14.2.1811 in Alverstoke. > I was originally given this information by a fellow researcher who had > done his research by physically visiting the parishes rather than > relying on internet details. He has John Cawte baptised 26.7.1781 at > Botley as the son of Robert Cawte and Elizabeth Paye. > John was required to administer the estate of his mother (Elizabeth Paye) > who died in 1784. He has John married to Elizabeth Houghton > and living with 2 daughters at Mottisfont in 1851. The 1841 census concurs > with wife and 2 daughters, although dates of birth for John and > Elizabeth do not exactly match. Apparently there is also a 1861 census > record which shows John as a retired gate keeper at Winchester. > I have only found the 1841 record myself. > The problem is that another researcher has also got a John Cawte married > to Elizabeth Houghton but their John was born in 1776 and has > different parents to mine. Is there any way to check the marriage record > to see if it gives the name of John Cawte's father? > Is it possible to find the 1851/1861 census records where (apparently) the > dates of birth better match the dates we have above? > I would be grateful for any advice. > Lynda

Copy of 1861 census sent direct to Patsy. Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton > Further to my first message, in 1861 John is indexed as CANTE. Living in > Winchester as in your posting. > > Birthplace transcribed as Batley (they don't make it easy!!) and birthdate > 1782. > > Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > > Subject: [HAM] John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton > > >> Hi All, >> I am hoping someone can help me with a marriage record for John Cawte and >> Elizabeth Houghton on 14.2.1811 in Alverstoke. >> I was originally given this information by a fellow researcher who had >> done his research by physically visiting the parishes rather than >> relying on internet details. He has John Cawte baptised 26.7.1781 at >> Botley as the son of Robert Cawte and Elizabeth Paye. >> John was required to administer the estate of his mother (Elizabeth Paye) >> who died in 1784. He has John married to Elizabeth Houghton >> and living with 2 daughters at Mottisfont in 1851. The 1841 census >> concurs >> with wife and 2 daughters, although dates of birth for John and >> Elizabeth do not exactly match. Apparently there is also a 1861 census >> record which shows John as a retired gate keeper at Winchester. >> I have only found the 1841 record myself. >> The problem is that another researcher has also got a John Cawte married >> to Elizabeth Houghton but their John was born in 1776 and has >> different parents to mine. Is there any way to check the marriage record >> to see if it gives the name of John Cawte's father? >> Is it possible to find the 1851/1861 census records where (apparently) >> the >> dates of birth better match the dates we have above? >> I would be grateful for any advice. >> Lynda > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, A kind lady has directed us to -- http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/travellers/index.jsp includes Daniel Defoe's book. Edna - Ottawa

Hi Ron, Burgess popped up in my family on my great grandmother's side - Mary Ann Burgess was my great grandmother's grandmother. Mary Ann married James Holland. I have Mary Ann as being born sometime around 1824 in Farnham, Surrey. Her father was John Burgess, and I believe her mother was a Sarah, but I'm not sure. I also believe she had a brother of James Burgess, who also married a Mary Ann (not sure of her maiden name, but she was born in Ireland). I have his bible, who lists when his Mary Ann died (Nov 1878) and also 3 kids, who have the last name of Sutton. I rec'd info from the 1871 Census in Farnham Surrey, and I figure these kids are actually kids of his lodger/laundress, Harriet Sutton. One of the children has the middle name of Burgess, so whether or not James Burgess was the father of these kids, I'm not certain. There are no other kids listed in the census with the last name Burgess, and the fact that I have his bible, makes me thing that James Burgess and his wife, Mary Ann, did not have kids of their own. Hence, the bible came to James Burgess's sister, Mary Ann, who married James Holland and then so forth down the line to reach my great grandmother and me! Confused? sharon ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. When the bold branches Bid farewell to rainbow leaves - Welcome wool sweaters. ~B. Cybrill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Alexander Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HAM] HAMPSHIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 32 Hi! Sharon. What area are you researching the BURGESS name? Regards Ron Alexander Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:38:16 -0800 From: "Moss, Sharon ENV:EX" <[email protected]> Subject: [HAM] What does this mean? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HI everyone, A relatively newbie on family history, but I've managed to find out a lot of info with what knowledge I do have! Quick question.... On a variety of census entries, in the Occupation column it may say "Em'ee" after an occupation. What does that mean? So for my great great grandfather, he's listed as a "Coal Miner (Em'ee)." Thanks! sharon Researching COX, HOLLAND, BURGESS, HILL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1253 - Release Date: 31/01/2008 09:09 For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, A book I always enjoy going back to is Daniel Defoe's "A Tour Through the Whole Island of Great Britain". It has several pages on Portsmouth, etc. You can get it at your local library, I'm sure. Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

Cawte's - for information! It is good to see this interesting name mentioned again. The last time I was able to add my two penn'th was over a year ago on GR. This may not be of relevance to the main question but it is to do with a Cawte marriage on 2 Jun 1906 between Catherine A. Harris and Charles Cawte of Station Road, Corsham, Wilts., at Stroud, Gloucester, Q2 1906, Vol 6a, Page 799. This Charles Cawte, I believe to be, Charles George Cawte born Pitt Winchester, son of George D and Emma. In amongst my Aunts possessions was a delightful and exquisite four folded Wedding Cake Card which would have been given to my Grandmother, Mary Jane Woodman nee Baggott, who was living at Box, near Corsham Wiltshire, at the time. I will be pleased to supply a picture of the card, off list, to any relative of the Cawte's. I would also like to send, on receipt of substantial proof, the actual card to a direct relative of Charles (George) Cawte and Catherine A Harris. I can also share information with regard to the friendship between the happy couple and my grandmother, who was married two years before, and her family circle. Jim North, Les Arcs sur Argens, France. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynda Rooke Sent: 31 January 2008 23:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton Hi All, I am hoping someone can help me with a marriage record for John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton on 14.2.1811 in Alverstoke. I was originally given this information by a fellow researcher who had done his research by physically visiting the parishes rather than relying on internet details. He has John Cawte baptised 26.7.1781 at Botley as the son of Robert Cawte and Elizabeth Paye. John was required to administer the estate of his mother (Elizabeth Paye) who died in 1784. He has John married to Elizabeth Houghton and living with 2 daughters at Mottisfont in 1851. The 1841 census concurs with wife and 2 daughters, although dates of birth for John and Elizabeth do not exactly match. Apparently there is also a 1861 census record which shows John as a retired gate keeper at Winchester. I have only found the 1841 record myself. The problem is that another researcher has also got a John Cawte married to Elizabeth Houghton but their John was born in 1776 and has different parents to mine. Is there any way to check the marriage record to see if it gives the name of John Cawte's father? Is it possible to find the 1851/1861 census records where (apparently) the dates of birth better match the dates we have above? I would be grateful for any advice. Lynda _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi! Sharon. What area are you researching the BURGESS name? Regards Ron Alexander Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:38:16 -0800 From: "Moss, Sharon ENV:EX" <[email protected]> Subject: [HAM] What does this mean? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HI everyone, A relatively newbie on family history, but I've managed to find out a lot of info with what knowledge I do have! Quick question.... On a variety of census entries, in the Occupation column it may say "Em'ee" after an occupation. What does that mean? So for my great great grandfather, he's listed as a "Coal Miner (Em'ee)." Thanks! sharon Researching COX, HOLLAND, BURGESS, HILL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1253 - Release Date: 31/01/2008 09:09

If you are near Winchester, visit the HRO (or your nearest LDS Family History centre if not near Winchester) where you will be able to order the films for the parish registers and various census years. This way you are able to check the primary sources rather than rely on internet or other researchers as a source. It does seem odd though that either a 3 yr old or 8 yr old was required (or legally allowed) to administer an estate. Regards Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynda Rooke Sent: 31 January 2008 22:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton Hi All, I am hoping someone can help me with a marriage record for John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton on 14.2.1811 in Alverstoke. I was originally given this information by a fellow researcher who had done his research by physically visiting the parishes rather than relying on internet details. He has John Cawte baptised 26.7.1781 at Botley as the son of Robert Cawte and Elizabeth Paye. John was required to administer the estate of his mother (Elizabeth Paye) who died in 1784. He has John married to Elizabeth Houghton and living with 2 daughters at Mottisfont in 1851. The 1841 census concurs with wife and 2 daughters, although dates of birth for John and Elizabeth do not exactly match. Apparently there is also a 1861 census record which shows John as a retired gate keeper at Winchester. I have only found the 1841 record myself. The problem is that another researcher has also got a John Cawte married to Elizabeth Houghton but their John was born in 1776 and has different parents to mine. Is there any way to check the marriage record to see if it gives the name of John Cawte's father? Is it possible to find the 1851/1861 census records where (apparently) the dates of birth better match the dates we have above? I would be grateful for any advice. Lynda _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I am hoping someone can help me with a marriage record for John Cawte and Elizabeth Houghton on 14.2.1811 in Alverstoke. I was originally given this information by a fellow researcher who had done his research by physically visiting the parishes rather than relying on internet details. He has John Cawte baptised 26.7.1781 at Botley as the son of Robert Cawte and Elizabeth Paye. John was required to administer the estate of his mother (Elizabeth Paye) who died in 1784. He has John married to Elizabeth Houghton and living with 2 daughters at Mottisfont in 1851. The 1841 census concurs with wife and 2 daughters, although dates of birth for John and Elizabeth do not exactly match. Apparently there is also a 1861 census record which shows John as a retired gate keeper at Winchester. I have only found the 1841 record myself. The problem is that another researcher has also got a John Cawte married to Elizabeth Houghton but their John was born in 1776 and has different parents to mine. Is there any way to check the marriage record to see if it gives the name of John Cawte's father? Is it possible to find the 1851/1861 census records where (apparently) the dates of birth better match the dates we have above? I would be grateful for any advice. Lynda _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx

Sharon wrote what does 'em'ee' mean. Probably 'employee' Regards Gaynor

Sharon, probably just a "ploy" to confuse researchers. Try adding "ploy" in place of the apostrophe. Derek.

Hello Marilyn IGI (Batch C136511) gives: 26 Jan 1823: Christening of William Bell, son of John Bell and Elizabeth, at Old Alresford, Hampshire. Were you aware that some of the "Old Alresford" batches actually refer to Abbotts Ann, Hampshire? I reported the mistake some time ago, but no action was taken. Jeannette> > > > Would skp please do a lookup for William Bell born 1822/23 in Old> > Alresford. If possible please include anyone else in the household.> > > > Thanks> > Marilyn> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com

Ah ha! LOL! Yup, confused me! Thanks Derek...is there somewhere online that actually lists these kind of "translations?" S. ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. When the bold branches Bid farewell to rainbow leaves - Welcome wool sweaters. ~B. Cybrill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Carpenter Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HAM] What does this mean? Sharon, probably just a "ploy" to confuse researchers. Try adding "ploy" in place of the apostrophe. Derek. For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI everyone, A relatively newbie on family history, but I've managed to find out a lot of info with what knowledge I do have! Quick question.... On a variety of census entries, in the Occupation column it may say "Em'ee" after an occupation. What does that mean? So for my great great grandfather, he's listed as a "Coal Miner (Em'ee)." Thanks! sharon Researching COX, HOLLAND, BURGESS, HILL

Sorry I can't see him. Betty Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: [HAM] 1851 census look up > Would skp please do a lookup for William Bell born 1822/23 in Old > Alresford. If possible please include anyone else in the household. > > Thanks > Marilyn > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: > 1/30/2008 9:29 AM > > >

Hi, You could check the Archives... Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Shedfield, Hampshire I have corresponded with a woman living in Shedfield, but have lost her email....If you are still on this list, could you please contact me? Thanks so much. Janet Hopkins Fireskye Aussies Northern Arizona [email protected] http://fireskye.net/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 9:29 AM ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would skp please do a lookup for William Bell born 1822/23 in Old Alresford. If possible please include anyone else in the household. Thanks Marilyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1251 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 9:29 AM