My g-g-grandfather John Payne (d 17/6/1908 at Highcliffe) is not in the GRO death index. He would have been reg at Christchurch. There is a birth of John Payne in the same qtr and a death of Jane Payne (correct age of 73) in the same qtr, both reg at Christchurch. Assuming these are not him, and he has been left out of the index, how would I go about obtaining the details from the original registration office ? Many thanks. Regards Francis Auckland, NZ

I believe some libraries also have the will index. Try phoning the reference section of your local library. The will index covers the whole country. Penny Hampshire > Hi Winchester Record Office is closed due to refurbishments until the > early > spring - Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of VICKI SMITH > Sent: 15 February 2008 19:35 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HAM] Joseph Henry Irish - Will ? > > > If anyone is going to the Hampshire record Office in Winchester, could > s.k.s. look up the Wills index (post 1858) for me. > > >

Kenneth, Thanks so much for your help.? I will check it out. Marge -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Scott <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [HAM] Marriage Info - Need some answers/advice Marge: For some samples of what you might expect take a look at some of the ancestor biographies on my website at http://www.kenscott.com That of Moses Good shows an extract from a marriage in 1849 as ordered from the record office; that of William Scott b. 1833 (family life link) shows a image of the original from 1875. Yes, the actual documents do provide a variety of additional information. In the case of Moses Good this provided us with confirmation that he was indeed the son of a John Good who had been a weaver in Barnstaple at the time of the birth of Moses in 1788; without this we had only been able to surmise. Best of luck on your research Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida [email protected] wrote: > Hi list > I am new to the England genealogy list.? > I found a few births, deaths and marriages that might be related on Ancestry.com's England & Wales, Free BMD Indexes from 1837-1983.? My question is, if I order the certificates, will they have any more information than what is listed on Ancestry.com?? For example, the births do not give the actual date, just the year and the quarter the birth was recorded in.? Will the actual record give me the actual day, and month? And will it give me the names of the parents?? I am talking about births in the 1835-50 time frame.? And would the marriage records, in the time frame of 1867-1880 give me the parents names?? > > And another question, I woman is listed in the 1871 census as being born in Odiham, Hampshire, England, yet when I put that info in the search criteria, no names will come up for Odiham.? Is there another name of the town that might have the births for the town of Odiahm? > > By the way, the names I am researching are William Milward, born ca. 1835 in Henley, Oxfordshire (parents most likely are Henry and Ann Milward from the same town) and Fanny (listed on one census in the US as Phyllis), born ca. 1848 in Odiham, Hampshire, Parents unknown.? William and?Fanny had 4 children, 3 who lived to adulthood.? They are Edith A, Maurice W. (who were both born in Basingstoke, Hampshire) and their youngest son Frank, who was born in Michigan, United States.? I believe William and Fanny immigrated to the US in 1873.? > > Thank you so much for any help you can give me, > Marge > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Hi, If it was me, I would write to Christchurch Registry Office with the details I have got to see if they have got the correct death registered in their books. As Bernie says, the GRO books and index are compiled from these local books. If an error was made when these quarterly returns were put together, John could easily have become Jane. Since you have the date and place of death, it should be a simple job for them to check. Best wishes, Sarah

May I say what a wonderful resource the Hampshire OPC is ( www.knightroots.co.uk ). I found Bishops Waltham baptisms at dates I did not expect - ie. not as babies. Well done Linda & Tony

Marge: For some samples of what you might expect take a look at some of the ancestor biographies on my website at http://www.kenscott.com That of Moses Good shows an extract from a marriage in 1849 as ordered from the record office; that of William Scott b. 1833 (family life link) shows a image of the original from 1875. Yes, the actual documents do provide a variety of additional information. In the case of Moses Good this provided us with confirmation that he was indeed the son of a John Good who had been a weaver in Barnstaple at the time of the birth of Moses in 1788; without this we had only been able to surmise. Best of luck on your research Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida [email protected] wrote: > Hi list > I am new to the England genealogy list.? > I found a few births, deaths and marriages that might be related on Ancestry.com's England & Wales, Free BMD Indexes from 1837-1983.? My question is, if I order the certificates, will they have any more information than what is listed on Ancestry.com?? For example, the births do not give the actual date, just the year and the quarter the birth was recorded in.? Will the actual record give me the actual day, and month? And will it give me the names of the parents?? I am talking about births in the 1835-50 time frame.? And would the marriage records, in the time frame of 1867-1880 give me the parents names?? > > And another question, I woman is listed in the 1871 census as being born in Odiham, Hampshire, England, yet when I put that info in the search criteria, no names will come up for Odiham.? Is there another name of the town that might have the births for the town of Odiahm? > > By the way, the names I am researching are William Milward, born ca. 1835 in Henley, Oxfordshire (parents most likely are Henry and Ann Milward from the same town) and Fanny (listed on one census in the US as Phyllis), born ca. 1848 in Odiham, Hampshire, Parents unknown.? William and?Fanny had 4 children, 3 who lived to adulthood.? They are Edith A, Maurice W. (who were both born in Basingstoke, Hampshire) and their youngest son Frank, who was born in Michigan, United States.? I believe William and Fanny immigrated to the US in 1873.? > > Thank you so much for any help you can give me, > Marge > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Francis Payne <[email protected]> wrote: My g-g-grandfather John Payne (d 17/6/1908 at Highcliffe) is not in the GRO death index. He would have been reg at Christchurch. There is a birth of John Payne in the same qtr and a death of Jane Payne (correct age of 73) in the same qtr, both reg at Christchurch. Assuming these are not him, and he has been left out of the index, how would I go about obtaining the details from the original registration office ? Many thanks. Regards Francis Auckland, NZ Hello the gro indexes are taken from the registrar book which would be held in the registrsr office in Christchurch. I is very possible that thhey have got the details wrong. The problem they will not let you see the Register if you apply for a copy of the death cert you have to accept what the Registrar Wrote at the time he may have got the names mixedup. I had a case something like yours and i wanted a copy of the certifacate an dwhn they gave it to me the name was spelt wrong , which questioned and the present registrar said you have toaccept what i have written as that is hoe i have read it .But i knew it was wrong but had to accept. hope this helps you Regards Bernie For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message B.J.Luckham in Ringwood Hampshire U.K.

Hi list I am new to the England genealogy list.? I found a few births, deaths and marriages that might be related on Ancestry.com's England & Wales, Free BMD Indexes from 1837-1983.? My question is, if I order the certificates, will they have any more information than what is listed on Ancestry.com?? For example, the births do not give the actual date, just the year and the quarter the birth was recorded in.? Will the actual record give me the actual day, and month? And will it give me the names of the parents?? I am talking about births in the 1835-50 time frame.? And would the marriage records, in the time frame of 1867-1880 give me the parents names?? And another question, I woman is listed in the 1871 census as being born in Odiham, Hampshire, England, yet when I put that info in the search criteria, no names will come up for Odiham.? Is there another name of the town that might have the births for the town of Odiahm? By the way, the names I am researching are William Milward, born ca. 1835 in Henley, Oxfordshire (parents most likely are Henry and Ann Milward from the same town) and Fanny (listed on one census in the US as Phyllis), born ca. 1848 in Odiham, Hampshire, Parents unknown.? William and?Fanny had 4 children, 3 who lived to adulthood.? They are Edith A, Maurice W. (who were both born in Basingstoke, Hampshire) and their youngest son Frank, who was born in Michigan, United States.? I believe William and Fanny immigrated to the US in 1873.? Thank you so much for any help you can give me, Marge ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Hi Is it possible that your John Payne didn't die in Christchurch, there is a John Payne aged 73 yrs of the G.R.O. (Ancestry) registered in Elham June Qtr. If he died there he would have to be registered there. Just a thought, Good Luck Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Francis Payne Sent: 18 February 2008 08:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] Missing from GRO Index - original registration ? My g-g-grandfather John Payne (d 17/6/1908 at Highcliffe) is not in the GRO death index. He would have been reg at Christchurch. There is a birth of John Payne in the same qtr and a death of Jane Payne (correct age of 73) in the same qtr, both reg at Christchurch. Assuming these are not him, and he has been left out of the index, how would I go about obtaining the details from the original registration office ? Many thanks. Regards Francis Auckland, NZ For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1280 - Release Date: 15/02/2008 09:00

You can search the records held at Winchester Records office http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm Records can be accessed at Hampshire Library HQ, North Walls or they can send you a copy. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Barber Sent: 17 February 2008 11:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HAM] Joseph Henry Irish - Will ? Hi Winchester Record Office is closed due to refurbishments until the early spring - Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of VICKI SMITH Sent: 15 February 2008 19:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] Joseph Henry Irish - Will ? If anyone is going to the Hampshire record Office in Winchester, could s.k.s. look up the Wills index (post 1858) for me. The person in question is JOSEPH HENRY IRISH, MRCVS, Vetinerary Surgeon of Cosham, died bet. Jan and Mar 1899, age abt. 49, in Cosham (death registered in Droxford District).

Not sure which is the best library but these may help for Farnham http://www.waverley.gov.uk/museumoffarnham/library.asp this is the Museum of Farnham History http://www.sog.org.uk/prc/surrey.shtml the Family History Society of Surrey has lots of records for Farnham it has been in Hampshire and Surrey http://www.rootsweb.com:80/~engsurry/ this is a web site of Surrey wills I have found several of my Farnham relatives there Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Sadler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: [HAM] Which library? > Can anyone tell me where the best library or record office is that would > hold information on ancestors from Farnham, Farnborough, Hawley and > Hartley > Wintney in Hampshire? > > Christine > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Both sets were on the fiche from which the OPC transcription was made. Neither was dated although the 2nd set was apparently a copy but with either different names or spellings of names. The inference was that the 2nd set had been made by an incumbent who either could not locate the originals at the time or was concerned of their condition. Take care Linda & Tony Hampshire OPC Co-ordinators -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan McGowan Sent: 17 February 2008 21:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HAM] Hampshire OPC Upgrade I transcribed Dogmersfield marriages 30 years ago from the original registers, before they were put on fiche. The first set of marriages 1695-1745 contains the original entries. The second set is in the same register, but appears to be a neat copy of the original entries, made at a later date. The person who wrote the "neat copy" has made several errors. Unfortunately the printed transcript of Dogmersfield marriages in Volume 3 of Phillimore's Hampshire Marriages was taken from the "neat copy", and therefore includes the errors. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hampshire OPC" Today we have uploaded as follows: DOGMERSFIELD BURIALS 1696-1782 DOGMERSFIELD MARRIAGES 1695-1745 (2 SETS) followed by a gap 1745-1754 and then complete for 1755-1912 DOGMERSFIELD BAPTISMS 1695-1766 All of these have been transcribed by WENDY KOUVARDINE (thanks,Wendy!) Where it refers to 2 sets of marriages 1695 -1745, there were literally 2 different registers with similar entries but in some cases, different spellings and in some, different names! For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Surrey History Centre (Surrey History Service) holds the parish registers of Farnham, Surrey Farnborough, Hampshire South Farnborough, Hampshire Hawley, Hampshire Hampshire Record Office holds the parish registers of Hartley Wintney, Hampshire. Hampshire Record Office also holds microfiche copies of the registers of Farnborough, South Farnborough, and Hawley. See http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory/archives.html for links to Record Office websites and catalogues. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Sadler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [HAM] Which library? Can anyone tell me where the best library or record office is that would hold information on ancestors from Farnham, Farnborough, Hawley and Hartley Wintney in Hampshire? Christine

I transcribed Dogmersfield marriages 30 years ago from the original registers, before they were put on fiche. The first set of marriages 1695-1745 contains the original entries. The second set is in the same register, but appears to be a neat copy of the original entries, made at a later date. The person who wrote the "neat copy" has made several errors. Unfortunately the printed transcript of Dogmersfield marriages in Volume 3 of Phillimore's Hampshire Marriages was taken from the "neat copy", and therefore includes the errors. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hampshire OPC" Today we have uploaded as follows: DOGMERSFIELD BURIALS 1696-1782 DOGMERSFIELD MARRIAGES 1695-1745 (2 SETS) followed by a gap 1745-1754 and then complete for 1755-1912 DOGMERSFIELD BAPTISMS 1695-1766 All of these have been transcribed by WENDY KOUVARDINE (thanks,Wendy!) Where it refers to 2 sets of marriages 1695 -1745, there were literally 2 different registers with similar entries but in some cases, different spellings and in some, different names!

Hello Lynda >From Upham fiche 74M78 PR1 Upham 1708 Richard son of Rich & Eliz CAWTE Baptized March 28 The only baptism from 1707 to 1720 for a Richard so think this might be him. What do you think Lynda? Hope it helps,Linda and Tony

We have forwarded this message with direct permission of Jenny. E-mail address [email protected] Please reply via her website if you are related and/or interested.s with this though just hope some are connected. We have no links. Thanks Linda and Tony SOMERSET TO FASSIFERN VALLEY The Gray Family celebrate 125 years in Australia with a Family Reunion Day On the 3rd of May this year it will be 125 years since the "Storm King" arrived in Moreton Bay carrying two Gray brothers, their wives and families. Silas GRAY b 1845 Middle Chinnock Somerset England married Jane GARRETT in East Chinnock in 1866. His brother Walter GRAY b 1847 married her sister Eliza GARRETT in 1869 at Sandown on the Isle of Wight. When they emigrated Silas and Jane had 2 Children, Clara and Walter Adolphus They went on to have 4 other children here in Qld. They are buried at Mt Walker Walter GRAY and Eliza brought daughter Mary Jane and son Joseph Robert from England and produced 8 more Queenslanders.Two children died as babies and Maude was tragically drowned at Southport in 1901. The family graves are at Mutdapilly Both brothers settled at first at Normanby Reserve (Harrisville) and are recorded as Living at Milbong, Milora, Mutdapilly, Goolman, Mt Walker, Ipswich and Wooloman. They were small farmers and very involved in their Church and local Community. To commemorate their contribution to the Fassifern we invite all Families associated with Silas and Walter's families to join us in a Family Day in October. GRAY Family Day and Reunion Sunday 19th October Peak Crossing Community Hall Ipswich Queensland Australia >From 9am till 5pm. We would also be delighted to see families who's Ancestors emigrated from East, West, and Middle Chinnock and also Chiselborough in SOMERSET and settled in the Fassifern. Surnames associated with these families are ADAMS,ALFORD,BEITZEL,BEMI,BROOK,CHANT,CHURCHILL,COOPER,CLARKE EGAN, FISCHER,GRAY,GARRETT, HOFFSCHILDT, HAMPSON, JENNER, KADDATZ, LE GRAND,LEISMANN,LLEWELLYN,NAPPER,NEUMANN,NEILSEN, NUFFER,O'BRIEN,OLIPHANT,POINTING,PIKE,RASHFORD,RENDELL SANEWSKI,SMITH,SOLWAY,STANDRING,STUMER,SURAWSKI, TAEGE,TAYLOR,TOPEL,TYE,WALSH,WASS,WEGENER,WELCH,WELLS WELSH, Contact Jenny Addison [email protected] Reunion website http://silasandwaltergray.myevent.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Winchester Record Office is closed due to refurbishments until the early spring - Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of VICKI SMITH Sent: 15 February 2008 19:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] Joseph Henry Irish - Will ? If anyone is going to the Hampshire record Office in Winchester, could s.k.s. look up the Wills index (post 1858) for me. The person in question is JOSEPH HENRY IRISH, MRCVS, Vetinerary Surgeon of Cosham, died bet. Jan and Mar 1899, age abt. 49, in Cosham (death registered in Droxford District). Vicki For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1280 - Release Date: 15/02/2008 09:00

Hi The record office for Hampshire is Winchester Record Office but at the moment it is being refurbished and not opened to early spring. The Parish Registers are at North Walls Library and these are available. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Christine Sadler Sent: 17 February 2008 09:43 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] Which library? Can anyone tell me where the best library or record office is that would hold information on ancestors from Farnham, Farnborough, Hawley and Hartley Wintney in Hampshire? Christine For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1280 - Release Date: 15/02/2008 09:00

Hi Marilyn - this might be your man: All Saints, Southampton Canal Walk Thomas FRANCIS 23 Butcher. Born in county Mary 30. Born in county John EDWARDS 25 Lab at docks. Not born in county George FLETCHER 25 ditto Stephen CAWTE 40 ditto Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. Subject: [HAM] 1841 census look up > Is it possible for skp to look up Stephen Cawte born 1801/1803 in Hants > on the 1841 census. > Also, any persons living in the household. > Thanks, Marilyn >

I am researching the surname CRANHAM. I have basic names and dates going back to 1782, i.e. John Cranham and Jane NASH; Stephen Cranham and Judith KELSEY; John Cranham and Elizabeth REYNOLDS; Frederick Cranham and Emma HILL; Sidney Charles Cranham and Ethel Mabel BROWN; and Jack Cranham and Freda Betty SYLVESTER. All these families lived in and around HAWLEY, FARNHAM and HARTLEY WINTNEY. If anyone is also researching any of the above, I can supply more details. Christine