Sorry haven't got access to 1851 but 1841 and 1861 show Denis at 2 Little Foxlow St Bermondsey 1841 residents Dennis age 47 head Harriot 40 wife Margaret 20 dau Catherine 18 dau Mary 16 dau DENNIS 14 son Jane 12 dau Cornelious 7 son Johana 3 dau 1861 residents Dennis 71 head Ann 60 wife ( 2nd , Harriot must have died) DENNIS 33 unm son Cornelious 26 unm son Charles 18 unm son I looks as though they were probably there in 1851 too. Dennis Cornelious and Charles were all employed as Dock Labourers. Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: [HAM] 1851 census lookup FARRELL > Would skp be able to look up Denis Farrell born 1826 on the 1851 census. > Also, anyone else in the household. > Thanks, Marilyn >

Hi, Thanks kindly to the people who helped me locate Ellen Bearman living at 28 Clarence Parade, Southsea on the '81 Census. With appreciation, Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: [HAM] BEARMAN, Ellen b. circa 1860 on '81 Census Hi, Could someone please send me the details pertaining to this lady living on the '81 at 28 Clarence Parade, Southsea. Thanks kindly, Edna - Ottawa

Hi, Could someone please send me the details pertaining to this lady living on the '81 at 28 Clarence Parade, Southsea. Thanks kindly, Edna - Ottawa

Would skp be able to look up Denis Farrell born 1826 on the 1851 census. Also, anyone else in the household. Thanks, Marilyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM

I am researching JOHN NATHANIEL SYLVESTER, born 1869 in Greenwich. His 1901 marriage certificate states that he was 32, a Drill Instructor living at the Children's Home in Alexandra Road, Farnborough. His father is given as Edward Sylvester. The 1901 census (which was taken a few months before his marriage) backs this up. He is living at the children's home, but his occupation is given as Shoe and Bootmaker. His place of birth is given as Greenwich. However, he is not found in any of the previous census records, so using Free BMD I searched just his Christian names + date and place of birth. To my surprise one result came up - JOHN NATHANIEL CATT. A search of the 1871 and 1881 census records shows him living with his parents in Greenwich (the father's name is Edward, as shown on his marriage ceritficate). John's date and place of birth match (1869 in Greenwich). In 1891 he is shown as a Visitor, with his occupation as Bootmaker. So, unless it is a bizarre coincidence, it appears that John Nathaniel Catt changed his surname to Sylvester some time between 1891 and 1901. I've checked to see whether his mother re-married and changed her name to Sylvester, but it appears that she died soon after John's youngest sister was born. Does anyone have any information on the above? Or any idea why he would have changed his name? Christine

I am researching JOHN NATHANIEL SYLVESTER, born 1869 in Greenwich. His 1901 marriage certificate states that he was 32, a Drill Instructor living at the Children's Home in Alexandra Road, Farnborough. His father is given as Edward Sylvester. The 1901 census (which was taken a few months before his marriage) backs this up. He is living at the children's home, but his occupation is given as Shoe and Bootmaker. His place of birth is given as Greenwich. However, he is not found in any of the previous census records, so using Free BMD I searched just his Christian names + date and place of birth. To my surprise one result came up - JOHN NATHANIEL CATT. A search of the 1871 and 1881 census records shows him living with his parents in Greenwich (the father's name is Edward, as shown on his marriage ceritficate). John's date and place of birth match (1869 in Greenwich). In 1891 he is shown as a Visitor, with his occupation as Bootmaker. So, unless it is a bizarre coincidence, it appears that John Nathaniel Catt changed his surname to Sylvester some time between 1891 and 1901. I've checked to see whether his mother re-married and changed her name to Sylvester, but it appears that she died soon after John's youngest sister was born. Does anyone have any information on the above? Or any idea why he would have changed his name? Christine

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from some kind lister ~~~ Edna - Ottawa >>> ... for the institution of Parish Registers. "In the name of God Amen. By the authorite and comission of the most excellent Prince Henry by the Grace of God Kynge of Englande and of France, defensor of the faithe Lorde of Irelande, and in erthe supreme hedd undre Christ of the Church of Englande, I Thomas lorde Cromwell, lorde privie seall, Vicegerent within this realme, do for the avancement of the trewe honor of almighty God, encrease of vertu and discharge of the kynges majestic, give and exhibite unto you theise injunctions folowing, to be kept observed and fulfilled upon the paynes hereafter declared. . . . That you and every parson vicare or curate within this diocese shall for every churche kepe one boke or registere wherein ye shall write the day and yere of every weddyng christenyng and buryeng made within yor parishe for your tyme, and so every man succeed- yng you lykewise. And shall there insert every persons name that shalbe so weddid christened or buried. And for the sauff kepinge of the same boke the parishe shalbe bonde to provide of these comen charges one sure coffer with twoo lockes and keys wherof the one to remayne with you, and the other with the said wardens, wherein the saide boke shalbe laide upp. Whiche boke ye shall every Sonday take furthe and in the presence of the said wardens or one of them write and recorde in the same all the weddinges christenynges and buryenges made the hole weke before. And that done to lay upp the boke in the said coffer as afore. And for every tyme that the same shalbe omytted the partie that shalbe in the faulte therof shall forfett to the saide churche iiis iiiid to be emploied on the reparation of the same churche. . . . " 5th September 1538

Hi List, I am looking for any relatives of James Abbott Stephens who was born on October 2, 1912 in Liverpool, England and passed away in January of 1995 in Southampton, Hampshire, England. Any information that anyone may have would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance,Carol _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

Hi Alan, I had a bit of time on my hands and thought I would do my good deed for the day. I looked up the information you provided and found the following information on each of the Census records. As you can see the age on the 1901 census record is a bit suspect. 1901 Florence Bannister Wife M aged 24 c1877 Hants Cowes 1891 Florence M Mumford Servant S aged 20 c1871 Domestic Servant East Cowes Isle of Wight 1881 Florence Munford aged 11 c1870 Scholar West Cowes That puts the age birth year range between 1870 and 1877 but there was no record of her within this period. I then found a likely entry as follows which fits in perfectly with the age given on the 1881 census as it was taken April 2: 1869 Q4 Florence MUMFORD I. Wight 2b 531 You can access the entry at ancestry via the link below though you may have to have an ancestry subscription. Just press Ctrl + click on the link. http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8964&iid=ONS_B1869 4AZ-0699&fn=&ln=Record+from+England+%26+Wales%2c+Birth+Index%3a+1837-1983&st =d&ssrc=&pid=335632 If you can't access it then let me know your email address and I'll send it off-list. Regards, Angie -----Original Message----- From: Alan Munford [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2008 18:37 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [HAM] BANNISTER/ MUNFORD or MUMFORD confirmation wanted Help please, Does anybody have any confirmed information about Florence MUNFORD/MUMFORD who is married to Arthur BANNISTER on the 1901 census RG13/981/74/15. I cannot seem to find any information about her birth (which would be about 1874 - if her age is correct on the census) or confirm her exact details on the earlier censuses. On the 1891 census I think she is Florence M MUMFORD on RG12/885/99/21 as a servant - born about 1871. On the 1881 census I think she is Florence MUNFORD on RG11/1172/65/15 living at home with her parents, Frederick and Emma Jane MUNFORD - aged about 11. I am hoping that the 1901 census is wrong and that it is actually Florence MUMFORD born about 1869 The problem of MUNFORD/MUMFORD is an ongoing issue!! Does anybody agree/disagree with my thoughts? TIA Alan

An excellent site ~ IOW FHS: http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa

Hi I am new to this list and would be interested to hear from anyone who has come across the Northeast Family in Hampshire, specifically anywhere near or in Ringwood. I have a burial entry dated 1774 in Winterslow parish in Wiltshire for John Northeast who died aged 48 and is described as 'of Ringwood'. I would like to trace any other members of his family. Kind regards Maddy Duke

Help please, Does anybody have any confirmed information about Florence MUNFORD/MUMFORD who is married to Arthur BANNISTER on the 1901 census RG13/981/74/15. I cannot seem to find any information about her birth (which would be about 1874 - if her age is correct on the census) or confirm her exact details on the earlier censuses. On the 1891 census I think she is Florence M MUMFORD on RG12/885/99/21 as a servant - born about 1871. On the 1881 census I think she is Florence MUNFORD on RG11/1172/65/15 living at home with her parents, Frederick and Emma Jane MUNFORD - aged about 11. I am hoping that the 1901 census is wrong and that it is actually Florence MUMFORD born about 1869 The problem of MUNFORD/MUMFORD is an ongoing issue!! Does anybody agree/disagree with my thoughts? TIA Alan

Noting that local libraries may have the Wills index, I am in Scotland, so may need some help. Vicki

Thanks Sarah and Bernie. I will contact the Chch Office. I presume this is it - no sign of an email address though: Christchurch Register Office The Court House Bargates Christchurch Tel: 01202 892325 For an appointment please ring the Registrar at Ferndown on the number given above. Opening times: Monday, Wednesday & Thursday 9.30am to 12.30pm, 1.30pm to 4.00pm or is it Bournemouth Register Office (01202 454945) 1 July 1837 - 31 March 1997 Christchurch birth and death registers. Register Office marriage registers. Some Ringwood and Fordingbridge birth and death registers (mainly 1932-1974). Bournemouth area birth and death registers and Register Office marriage registers. Completed church marriage registers for the Christchurch and Bournemouth area. (NB Some registers for the Christchurch area between 1837-1901 are held in Southampton). >From 1 April 1997 onwards All Bournemouth area birth and death registers and the Register Office marriage registers. Plus completed church marriage registers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Middleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] Missing from GRO Index - original registration ? > Hi, > > If it was me, I would write to Christchurch Registry Office with the > details I have got to see if they have got the correct death registered > in their books. As Bernie says, the GRO books and index are compiled > from these local books. If an error was made when these quarterly > returns were put together, John could easily have become Jane. Since you > have the date and place of death, it should be a simple job for them to > check. > > Best wishes, > > Sarah > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2883 (20080218) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi again Marge - have you found the possible marriage? There is a marriage for William MILWOOD to a Fanny SHERBORNE in 1865 Kensington. There is a Fanny SHERBORNE born c1848 Odiham in the earlier censuses. She appears to be the daughter of Henry Charles SHERBORNE and Harriet (could be Harriet MAY - married 1845 per FreeBMD.) You will find them in Odiham in 1851 - Henry can be found in later censuses also although he moves around a little. Worth pursuing? (of course the birth certs for Fanny's children would confirm or eliminate this possibility). Regards, Patsy - New Zealand ----- > Hi list > I am new to the England genealogy list.? > I found a few births, deaths and marriages that might be related on > Ancestry.com's England & Wales, Free BMD Indexes from 1837-1983.? My > question is, if I order the certificates, will they have any more > information than what is listed on Ancestry.com?? For example, the births > do not give the actual date, just the year and the quarter the birth was > recorded in.? Will the actual record give me the actual day, and month? > And will it give me the names of the parents?? I am talking about births > in the 1835-50 time frame.? And would the marriage records, in the time > frame of 1867-1880 give me the parents names?? > > And another question, I woman is listed in the 1871 census as being born > in Odiham, Hampshire, England, yet when I put that info in the search > criteria, no names will come up for Odiham.? Is there another name of the > town that might have the births for the town of Odiahm? > > By the way, the names I am researching are William Milward, born ca. 1835 > in Henley, Oxfordshire (parents most likely are Henry and Ann Milward from > the same town) and Fanny (listed on one census in the US as Phyllis), born > ca. 1848 in Odiham, Hampshire, Parents unknown.? William and?Fanny had 4 > children, 3 who lived to adulthood.? They are Edith A, Maurice W. (who > were both born in Basingstoke, Hampshire) and their youngest son Frank, > who was born in Michigan, United States.? I believe William and Fanny > immigrated to the US in 1873.? > > Thank you so much for any help you can give me, > Marge >

Hi Marge - if you send for the birth certificate of one of the children it should give the mother's maiden name and other information. This would help to locate Fanny in earlier censuses etc and also her birth registration. Marriage certificates should give father's names and actual date of marriage plus some information. FreeBMD have an explanation of what is on the various certificates which you might find useful. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Certificates.html Searching for 'Fanny' born Odiham c1848 in the earlier censuses brings up a number of names - I'm not sure what 'search criteria' you are referring to? Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand > Hi list > I am new to the England genealogy list.? > I found a few births, deaths and marriages that might be related on > Ancestry.com's England & Wales, Free BMD Indexes from 1837-1983.? My > question is, if I order the certificates, will they have any more > information than what is listed on Ancestry.com?? For example, the births > do not give the actual date, just the year and the quarter the birth was > recorded in.? Will the actual record give me the actual day, and month? > And will it give me the names of the parents?? I am talking about births > in the 1835-50 time frame.? And would the marriage records, in the time > frame of 1867-1880 give me the parents names?? > > And another question, I woman is listed in the 1871 census as being born > in Odiham, Hampshire, England, yet when I put that info in the search > criteria, no names will come up for Odiham.? Is there another name of the > town that might have the births for the town of Odiahm? > > By the way, the names I am researching are William Milward, born ca. 1835 > in Henley, Oxfordshire (parents most likely are Henry and Ann Milward from > the same town) and Fanny (listed on one census in the US as Phyllis), born > ca. 1848 in Odiham, Hampshire, Parents unknown.? William and?Fanny had 4 > children, 3 who lived to adulthood.? They are Edith A, Maurice W. (who > were both born in Basingstoke, Hampshire) and their youngest son Frank, > who was born in Michigan, United States.? I believe William and Fanny > immigrated to the US in 1873.? > > Thank you so much for any help you can give me, > Marge

Elham, Kent, I presume. Don't think he strayed much from Highcliffe in later years - although Indian Army and Abyssinian War Medal in days gone by. Thanks for taking the trouble to read and reply. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Barber" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Missing from GRO Index - original registration ? > Hi > Is it possible that your John Payne didn't die in Christchurch, there is a > John Payne aged 73 yrs of the G.R.O. (Ancestry) registered in Elham June > Qtr. If he died there he would have to be registered there. > Just a thought, > Good Luck > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Francis Payne > Sent: 18 February 2008 08:17 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HAM] Missing from GRO Index - original registration ? > > > My g-g-grandfather John Payne (d 17/6/1908 at Highcliffe) is not in the > GRO > death index. He would have been reg at Christchurch. There is a birth of > John Payne in the same qtr and a death of Jane Payne (correct age of 73) > in > the same qtr, both reg at Christchurch. > > Assuming these are not him, and he has been left out of the index, how > would > I go about obtaining the details from the original registration office ? > > Many thanks. > > Regards > > Francis > Auckland, NZ > > > > > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1280 - Release Date: > 15/02/2008 > 09:00 > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2881 (20080217) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Regarding whats on a certificate, see http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/bmd_2.htm Take care Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 18 February 2008 21:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] Marriage Info - Need some answers/advice Hi list I am new to the England genealogy list.? I found a few births, deaths and marriages that might be related on Ancestry.com's England & Wales, Free BMD Indexes from 1837-1983.? My question is, if I order the certificates, will they have any more information than what is listed on Ancestry.com?? For example, the births do not give the actual date, just the year and the quarter the birth was recorded in.? Will the actual record give me the actual day, and month? And will it give me the names of the parents?? I am talking about births in the 1835-50 time frame.? And would the marriage records, in the time frame of 1867-1880 give me the parents names?? And another question, I woman is listed in the 1871 census as being born in Odiham, Hampshire, England, yet when I put that info in the search criteria, no names will come up for Odiham.? Is there another name of the town that might have the births for the town of Odiahm? By the way, the names I am researching are William Milward, born ca. 1835 in Henley, Oxfordshire (parents most likely are Henry and Ann Milward from the same town) and Fanny (listed on one census in the US as Phyllis), born ca. 1848 in Odiham, Hampshire, Parents unknown.? William and?Fanny had 4 children, 3 who lived to adulthood.? They are Edith A, Maurice W. (who were both born in Basingstoke, Hampshire) and their youngest son Frank, who was born in Michigan, United States.? I believe William and Fanny immigrated to the US in 1873.? Thank you so much for any help you can give me, Marge ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message