Hi, Who were you looking for/at on the 1861 census in Five Dick Legs Alley. Or, do you know the Census Folio Reference for that address. Perhaps were can locate the Alley from the surrouinding area. Regards, Derek

Thanks Irene but John was certainly more than a fitter. He won awards for inventing the KINGSTON valve! But my query is would a shipwright later become a Foreman of Engineers? Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Irene McFarlane Sent: 02 March 2008 00:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HAM] John KINGSTONs children Engineers was often a term used for what we call fitters today Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] John KINGSTONs children > Hi Linda and Tony > > This is helpful but I have a bit of a quandary. > > When John died in 1847, he left everything to nephews and nieces - nothing > to any children. Perhaps none of them survived? His will states John was > a > Foreman of Engineers at Woolwich dockyard - do you think a shipwright > could > have become a foreman of engineers? > > I appreciate your help - I have had a break from family history as I lost > my > husband in October but am now trying to get my life back on track and this > hobby helps take my mind off things. > > Thanks again > > Jean >> For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 01/03/2008 17:41 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 01/03/2008 17:41

Derek's suggestion lead me to the 1881 census, where I carried out a search for references for "Dick Leg" finding none. So I carried out searches for "Dick" and "Leg" also without success, and then finally for "Alley" of which there were over a dozen in Portsmouth but none any thing like Dick Leg, so wherever it was in 1861 it was not there in 1881. David

Hi Edna, I have searched the The Portsmouth Encyclopedia which is of that period and there was no reference to 'Three Dicks Alley" The only similar references are to the Three Cups Pub, The Three Tuns Pub/Tavern, The Three Crowns Pub, The Three Guns Pub and Three Tuns Alley. There are 127 references to "Alley" but none with anything similar to your search. David >From a sunny Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: [HAM] Where is 3 Dick Legs Alley, Portsea > Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. > Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. > > Thanks, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Engineers was often a term used for what we call fitters today Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] John KINGSTONs children > Hi Linda and Tony > > This is helpful but I have a bit of a quandary. > > When John died in 1847, he left everything to nephews and nieces - nothing > to any children. Perhaps none of them survived? His will states John was > a > Foreman of Engineers at Woolwich dockyard - do you think a shipwright > could > have become a foreman of engineers? > > I appreciate your help - I have had a break from family history as I lost > my > husband in October but am now trying to get my life back on track and this > hobby helps take my mind off things. > > Thanks again > > Jean >>

Hi, Tried to find this street but no longer there. Can someone give me an idea where it was circa 1861. Thanks, Edna - sunny Ottawa

Hi Linda and Tony This is helpful but I have a bit of a quandary. When John died in 1847, he left everything to nephews and nieces - nothing to any children. Perhaps none of them survived? His will states John was a Foreman of Engineers at Woolwich dockyard - do you think a shipwright could have become a foreman of engineers? I appreciate your help - I have had a break from family history as I lost my husband in October but am now trying to get my life back on track and this hobby helps take my mind off things. Thanks again Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Linda & Tony Sent: 01 March 2008 11:10 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] John KINGSTONs children Hello Jean Here are the full details of the three baptisms. PCRO CHU3/1A/4 St Marys Portsea Although the IGI says baptised Aug 24 1811 it was in fact Aug 25 1811 Wm son of John & Mary KINGSTON born Oct 10 1810 PCRO CHU5/1A/3 St John Portsea Page 319 no 304 baptised December 27 1818 James Tucker son of John and Mary KINGSTON Union St Shipwright Page 319 no 305 baptised December 27 1810 Mary Tucker daughter of John and Mary KINGSTON Union St Shipwright Hopefully the father's occupation and address will help, Linda and Tony For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 29/02/2008 18:32 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 29/02/2008 18:32

hi list a question I was going to ask as well . My great grand father was an Abbott but I have a feeling he married as Jones ... any one had this ? THanks Mem Researching THOMAS LEE Havant married Mary Bartlett. ======================================== Message Received: Mar 01 2008, 08:14 AM From: "Christine Sadler" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [HAM] Change of Name I know that a person can call themselves anything they like, and does not have to go through any legal process, but would their original name have to appear on their death certificate, assuming the informant knows it? Christine Sadler For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A relative of mine whose husband changed his name from Lloyd Jones to Worth by Royal Licence: "In 1861 Henrica Duntz Worth (1836-91)married Rev. Wm. Lloyd Jones (1832-84 later became Rector of Washfield, Devon. He assumed the name of Worth in 1882 by Royal Licence." If you Search there is Notes and Queries on the subject. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mem" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] Change of Name hi list a question I was going to ask as well . My great grand father was an Abbott but I have a feeling he married as Jones ... any one had this ? THanks Mem Researching THOMAS LEE Havant married Mary Bartlett. ======================================== Message Received: Mar 01 2008, 08:14 AM From: "Christine Sadler" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [HAM] Change of Name I know that a person can call themselves anything they like, and does not have to go through any legal process, but would their original name have to appear on their death certificate, assuming the informant knows it? Christine Sadler For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jean Here are the full details of the three baptisms. PCRO CHU3/1A/4 St Marys Portsea Although the IGI says baptised Aug 24 1811 it was in fact Aug 25 1811 Wm son of John & Mary KINGSTON born Oct 10 1810 PCRO CHU5/1A/3 St John Portsea Page 319 no 304 baptised December 27 1818 James Tucker son of John and Mary KINGSTON Union St Shipwright Page 319 no 305 baptised December 27 1810 Mary Tucker daughter of John and Mary KINGSTON Union St Shipwright Hopefully the father's occupation and address will help, Linda and Tony

Thanks Linda and Tony. This one is promising! Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Linda & Tony Sent: 01 March 2008 08:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] ] John KINGSTON Portsea Hello Jean Here are the full marriage details. CHU3/1D/11 St Marys Portsea No 351 John KINGSTON bachelor & Mary GRANT spinster both of this parish married by banns 18 September 1808 in the presence of Elizabeth KINGSTON & John Bupell THORNE These are the full details. Hope they help a little,Linda and Tony -----Original Message-----On Behalf Of Jean Williams Subject: [HAM] John KINGSTON Portsea I have discovered that John KINGSTON who worked in Portsmouth Dockyard for a while was married to a Mary. On the IGI, I found a John KINGSTON who married a Mary GRANT in Portsea on 18 September 1808. Clues might be witnesses to the wedding or the Father's occupation. John KINGSTON was the brother of William KINGSTON who was a master Millwright at Portsmouth Dockyard and I am trying to discover if this was the right John. Jean For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 29/02/2008 18:32 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 29/02/2008 18:32

Hello Jean Here are the full marriage details. CHU3/1D/11 St Marys Portsea No 351 John KINGSTON bachelor & Mary GRANT spinster both of this parish married by banns 18 September 1808 in the presence of Elizabeth KINGSTON & John Bupell THORNE These are the full details. Hope they help a little,Linda and Tony -----Original Message-----On Behalf Of Jean Williams Subject: [HAM] John KINGSTON Portsea I have discovered that John KINGSTON who worked in Portsmouth Dockyard for a while was married to a Mary. On the IGI, I found a John KINGSTON who married a Mary GRANT in Portsea on 18 September 1808. Clues might be witnesses to the wedding or the Father's occupation. John KINGSTON was the brother of William KINGSTON who was a master Millwright at Portsmouth Dockyard and I am trying to discover if this was the right John. Jean

I know that a person can call themselves anything they like, and does not have to go through any legal process, but would their original name have to appear on their death certificate, assuming the informant knows it? Christine Sadler

What was her married name ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: [HAM] 1841 census look up > Thanks all for the look up of Harry Bell – New Alresford – you found the > correct family. > May I impose on you once more to look up Harriet Bell born about 1828 – > she was not with her family in 1841. I know that she did not die as I > have her marriage certificate. > She was born in New Alresford and may not have strayed to far. > > Thanks Marilyn > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: > 2/29/2008 8:18 AM > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Image sent off list. Liz ********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Sent: 29 February 2008 16:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] 1841 census look up Thanks all for the look up of Harry Bell - New Alresford - you found the correct family. May I impose on you once more to look up Harriet Bell born about 1828 - she was not with her family in 1841. I know that she did not die as I have her marriage certificate. She was born in New Alresford and may not have strayed to far. Thanks Marilyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 8:18 AM For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 913 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

On the 1841 census Harriett Bell aged 12 was living in West Street with Thomas Newman and Hannah Newman, Also this Harriett was born in New Alesford Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Sent: 29 February 2008 16:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] 1841 census look up Thanks all for the look up of Harry Bell – New Alresford – you found the correct family. May I impose on you once more to look up Harriet Bell born about 1828 – she was not with her family in 1841. I know that she did not die as I have her marriage certificate. She was born in New Alresford and may not have strayed to far. Thanks Marilyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 8:18 AM For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if anyone has access to any records for Milton which show a baptism for Elizabeth Keeping around 1802. James Keeping and Ann Frampton married at Milton in 1798 and I suspect that is her parents. I'd also like to find James' baptism if possible and see who his parents were. Many thanks. Francis Auckland, NZ

Copy sent off list Bob Newell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>

Thanks all for the look up of Harry Bell – New Alresford – you found the correct family. May I impose on you once more to look up Harriet Bell born about 1828 – she was not with her family in 1841. I know that she did not die as I have her marriage certificate. She was born in New Alresford and may not have strayed to far. Thanks Marilyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 8:18 AM

Would skp look up Harry or Henry Bell, born about 1835 in Alresford along with other members of the household. TIA, Marilyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM