Hello David I was in contact some time ago who thought my Southampton-area Thomases might be connected to his, but we never made a link - that was before I knew about Elizabeth Thomas born c1786 in Boldre. The one on your list, she married William Harding in Boldre in 1809, he was born in Whiteparish, Wiltshire. They are my ggg.grandparents. The Fawley connection interests me greatly - children in my Thomas family were sent there to live with relatives after their mother was confined to an asylum; their father went to London where my Thomas g.grandparents had already settled. Thank you very much for sending the other names on the list, I shall certainly look into them in greater depth, always assuming I don't get blown away by our terrible gales beforehand! Best wishes Margaret On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:37 PM, david dowd <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Margaret, > have you looked at Beaulieu or Fawley? There were some THOMASes there: > > Thomas, Ann, born about 1816 Beaulieu; married James SALTER of Shalfleet, > I.o.W. 15.09.1834 at Beaulieu > Thomas, Ann, dtr. of Charles, born 1852 at Boldre > Thomas, Celia, born about 1806 Fawley; married George RANN 10.07.1821 > Fawley > Thomas, Charles, born 1824, farm labourer of Beaulieu, married Eliza > BULL > about 1849 at Beaulieu > Thomas, Eliza, dtr. of Charles, born 1857 at Boldre > Thomas, Eliza (nee BULL) married Charles about 1849 Beaulieu > Thomas, Elizabeth, born about 1789 Boldre; married William HARDING at > Whiteparish 12.08.1809 > Thomas, Emma Elizabeth, dtr. of Charles, born 1859 at Boldre > Thomas, Hugh, paid rent to the Vill of New Lymington in 1327 > Thomas, James, son of Charles, born 1855 at Boldre > Thomas, Sarah, born about 1820; married Henry CAVELL 21.07.1838 at Fawley > > Regards, David > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Kate, here are a few local Ran(n)s to be going on with: Ran, Rann, Wran, nickname 'wren' Ran, Elizabeth, (nee LANE) born about 1803 probably Fawley; married Henry of Beaulieu 14.07.1821 Fawley Ran, Henry, of Beaulieu; married Elizabeth LANE 14.07.1821 Fawley Rann, Catharine, born 1818; dwelt Ippers (sic) Bridge; bur Fawley 03.09.1840 Rann, Charlotte, born about 1790 probably Fawley; married William WHITFIELD 25.12.1808 Fawley Rann, Celia, (nee THOMAS) born about 1803 probably Fawley; married George 10.07.1821 Fawley Rann, Clara, born 1856, dwelt Fawley; married Charles HATCHER maltster of Fawley 14.07.1877 Fawley Rann, Elizabeth, born about 1800 probably Fawley; married William OASEY 12.07.1818 Fawley Rann, Emily, born 1826; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 11.04.1830 Rann, George, born 1820; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 28.04.1822 Rann, George, born about 1796; married Celia THOMAS 10.07.1821 Fawley Rann, George, born 02.1849; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 05.05.1849 Rann, Hannah, born 1755; dwelt Hythe; bur Fawley 01.05.1834 Rann, Hester, born 1780; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 07.09.1846 Rann, Honora Ann, born about 1817; married Thomas ETHERIDGE 15.06.1835 Fawley Rann, James, born 1796; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 20.05.1869 Rann, James, born 1815; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 22.05.1842 Rann, James, born about 1817; dwelt Fawley, married Sarah SMITH of Hardley 22.01.1842 Fawley farmed Frost Lane, Fawley Parish 1859 Rann, James, born 20.12.1819; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 27.12.1819 Rann, James, born about 1842 Fawley; labourer of Frost Lane; married Sarah HIX servant of Frost Lane 24.09.1867 Fawley Rann, John, born 04.11.1822; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 20.11.1822 Rann, Jonathan, born 1767; dwelt Frost Lane; married 1) about 1792; as widower, 2) Mary GRAY 16.10.1832; bur Fawley 25.01.1849 Rann, Joseph, born Hythe 1761; bur 21.11.1813 Fawley Rann, Joseph, born 1794; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 30.12.1852 Rann, Joseph, born about 1797; married Mary MUSSELWHITE 01.08.1822 Fawley Rann, Joseph, born 08.09.1815 Frost Lane; bur 11.09.1815 Fawley Rann, Martha, (nee BUBB) born about 1774 probably Lower Exbury; married Thomas 08.10.1792 Lower Exbury Rann, Martha, born 08.1832; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 24.07.1933 Rann, Mary, born 1765; dwelt Frost lane; bur Fawley 20.10.1851 Rann, Mary, born 1771; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 15.03.1847 Rann, Mary, born 1795; dwelt Butsash; bur Fawley 24.08.1823 Rann, Mary, born 1803; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 15.03.1847 Rann, Mary, (nee MUSSELWHITE) born about 1804 probably Fawley; married Joseph 01.08.1822 Fawley Rann, Mary, (nee WHEELER) born about 1807 probably Fawley; marriedWilliam 08.10.1825 Fawley Rann, Mary, born about 1821 Hythe, married George CLASBY steward of Fawley 02.10.1841 Fawley Rann, Sarah, (nee SNELLGROVE) born about 1809 probably Fawley; married Thomas boatman 12.07.1827 Fawley Rann, Sarah, born 07.09.1817; dwelt Hardley; bur 28.09.1817 Fawley Rann, Sarah, born 1820; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 24.02.1849 Rann, Sarah, (nee SMITH) born about 1824 probably Fawley; married James of Fawley 22.01.1842 Fawley Rann, Sarah, (nee HIX) born about 1850 probably Fawley; married James labourer of Frost Lane 24.09.1867 Fawley Rann, Thomas, born about 1767 possibly Lower Exbury; married Martha BUBB 08.10.1792 Lower Exbury; tenanted an unnamed Beaulieu messuage in 1792 Rann, Thomas, born 1803; dwelt Fawley; bur Fawley 24.12.1887 Rann, Thomas, born about 1802 possibly Fawley; boatman, married Sarah SNELLGROVE 12.07.1827 Fawley Rann, Thomas, tenanted a Hardly (sic) farm (presumably Rann's Farm) in 1855 Rann, Thomas, born 1830; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 09.05.1855 Rann, William, born 1766; claimed common rights for Rann's Farm in Hardley, 1792; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 02.02.1848 Rann, William, born 1806; dwelt New Forest; bur Fawley 04.02.1858 Rann, William, born about 1800 (but possibly the above) possibly Fawley; married Mary WHEELER 08.10.1825 Fawley Rann, William, born 04.1854; dwelt Frost Lane; bur Fawley 17.08.1854 Regards, David

Is anyone else out there researching the THOMAS family of Boldre? I have the following: Elizabeth THOMAS born c1789 in Boldre Married 12 August 1809 in Boldre William HARDING born c1782 in Whiteparish, Wiltshire. Elizabeth and William were my 3 x g.grandparents. I am particularly interested because Elizabeth's granddaughter (my g.grandmother) married Charles Edward THOMAS - possibly no connection, but I've never been able to find the parents of Charles's grandfather William THOMAS (born c1791), or even a definite birthplace for him. Grateful for any possible connections. Margaret

Dear Margaret, have you looked at Beaulieu or Fawley? There were some THOMASes there: Thomas, Ann, born about 1816 Beaulieu; married James SALTER of Shalfleet, I.o.W. 15.09.1834 at Beaulieu Thomas, Ann, dtr. of Charles, born 1852 at Boldre Thomas, Celia, born about 1806 Fawley; married George RANN 10.07.1821 Fawley Thomas, Charles, born 1824, farm labourer of Beaulieu, married Eliza BULL about 1849 at Beaulieu Thomas, Eliza, dtr. of Charles, born 1857 at Boldre Thomas, Eliza (nee BULL) married Charles about 1849 Beaulieu Thomas, Elizabeth, born about 1789 Boldre; married William HARDING at Whiteparish 12.08.1809 Thomas, Emma Elizabeth, dtr. of Charles, born 1859 at Boldre Thomas, Hugh, paid rent to the Vill of New Lymington in 1327 Thomas, James, son of Charles, born 1855 at Boldre Thomas, Sarah, born about 1820; married Henry CAVELL 21.07.1838 at Fawley Regards, David

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my query re.abbreviations.It was very much appreciated. Thank you all, Marcia

Could sks familiar with British death certificates help me with the following abbreviations listed at the bottom of the when and where column on death certificates.Would appreciate any help with this. R.D. U.D. U.S.D. At one time or another I have had these abbreviations listed. Thanking you, Regards, Marcia Huelin

Knightroots site -- (not complete but very helpful) http://www.knightroots.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa

UD is Urban District (i.e. town) RD is Rural District (i.e. country) USD is Urban Sanitary District These are all local government districts. The first two are still in fairly common usage, preceded by the name of the district, e.g. [Place] Urban District Council, but the USD has generally been discontinued. Ruth > > From: "Marcia Huelin" <[email protected]> > Date: 2008/03/10 Mon AM 07:51:43 GMT > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [HAM] Query re abbreviations > > Could sks familiar with British death certificates help me with the following abbreviations listed at the bottom of the when and where column on death certificates.Would appreciate any help with this. > R.D. > U.D. > U.S.D. > At one time or another I have had these abbreviations listed. > Thanking you, > Regards, > Marcia Huelin > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Re Abbreviations: R.D. is Rural district U.D. is Urban district not sure of U.S.D. though. Cheers Gaynor

Hi, At one point I was researching Home Children and there was a lot of info, at the Metropolitan Archives in London. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Christine Sadler Sent: 09 March 2008 09:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [HAM] National Children's Home, Farnborough I am researching JOHN NATHANIEL SYLVESTER, born 1869 in Greenwich, Kent. On his marriage certificate his occupation is given as Drill Instructor and he was living at the Children's Home in Alexandra Road, Farnborough. So I assume he was a member of the staff. Does anyone have any information on any of the above, or ideas on how I can get more information about the staff at the Home? Christine For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 08/03/2008 10:14

thanks for the information jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Barber" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] RUSSEN > Hi, > Romsey Poorhouse would be in Winchester local studies Hampshire, they are > close until early spring due to refurbishments. Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Janice Bispham > Sent: 07 March 2008 08:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HAM] RUSSEN > > > I have just received a death cert for Richard RUSSEN dated 1848 and > residence Poorhouse Romsey Extra. I wonder if any knows if records exist of > the Poorhouse?I feel this has to be one of 'my' Richard Russens but > unfortuneately there are no other facts I can use to confirm with on the > certificate.Poorhouse records would I hope give details of marriage status > and maybe an address.Jan Bispham > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 06/03/2008 > 09:07 > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marcia, If you have a look at this website it lists the various forms of local governance: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/types/index.jsp USD = Urban Sanitary District UD = Urban Distriict RD = Registration District regards Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Huelin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: [HAM] Query re abbreviations > Could sks familiar with British death certificates help me with the > following abbreviations listed at the bottom of the when and where column > on death certificates.Would appreciate any help with this. > R.D. > U.D. > U.S.D. > At one time or another I have had these abbreviations listed. > Thanking you, > Regards, > Marcia Huelin > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

R.D. - Rural District U.S.D. - Urban Sanitary District U.D. - Urban District All of these acronyms refer to the type of sub-division of government services but someone from England could explain it much better than I. You have rural districts, urban districts and boroughs in Hampshire as the basic governing unit. For instance Andover is both a borough and a rural district. That surprised me as I thought that Andover would be a borough and have an Urban district but perhaps the Urban district is part of the borough in that case (already regional government in place). >From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_sanitary_district Sanitary Districts were established in England and Wales in 1875 and in Ireland in 1878. The districts were of two types, based on existing structures: Urban sanitary districts in towns with existing local government bodiesRural sanitary districts in the remaining rural areas of poor law unions. Each district was governed by a sanitary authority and was responsible for various public health matters such as providing clean drinking water, sewers, street cleaning, and clearing slum housing. In England and Wales, both rural and urban sanitary districts were replaced in 1894 by the Local Government Act 1894 by the more general rural districts and urban districts. A similar reform was carried out in Ireland in 1899 by the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp, PLCGS Guild of one-name studies #4600 - LAMBDEN, PINCOMBE and SIDERFIN Webpage: http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Marcia Huelin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:51:43 AM Subject: [HAM] Query re abbreviations Could sks familiar with British death certificates help me with the following abbreviations listed at the bottom of the when and where column on death certificates.Would appreciate any help with this. R.D. U.D. U.S.D. At one time or another I have had these abbreviations listed. Thanking you, Regards, Marcia Huelin For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Val Yes, that's the one. I haven't got his death certificate, just his birth but I knew about his death in the FreeBMD pages. Regards Ray http://www.wags.org.au/mid/7692.htm Bill Barber wrote: <snipped>

I am researching JOHN NATHANIEL SYLVESTER, born 1869 in Greenwich, Kent. On his marriage certificate his occupation is given as Drill Instructor and he was living at the Children's Home in Alexandra Road, Farnborough. So I assume he was a member of the staff. Does anyone have any information on any of the above, or ideas on how I can get more information about the staff at the Home? Christine

Dear Sharon, well, if you ever get a connection between your Barkers and Hampshire, here's a few from the old Hampshire commercial directories: BARKER, Charles, blacksmith & veterinary surgeon, London Street, Andover (Ref.: Slater's directory 1852) BARKER, George, sidesman at Holy Trinity Church, North Walls, Winchester; occupation coal merchant; address 49 Middle Brook Street (Ref.: Tanner's directory 1877); probably died before 1881 BARKER, John, coal merchant, 49 Middle Brook Street, Winchester (Ref.: Slater's directory 1852 and Gilmour's 1854); presumably business passed to son George on his retirement (see above) BARKER, John, address 44 Bar End (Road), Winchester (Ref.; Tanner's directory 1877); possibly retired. BARKER, Mrs., coal merchant, 49 Middle Brook Street, Winchester (Ref.: Masters' directory 1881); presumably widow of George (see above) BARKER, Thomas, Deputy Comptroller, Officers of Customs, Officers of the Dockyard, Southampton (Ref.: Sadler's directory 1784) BARKER, William, licensee "The Plough" P.H., Tower Street, Portsmouth (Ref.: Pigot's directory 1828); near the Round Tower at Point Battery, Old Portsmouth Regards, David

Hi Sharon, I'm certain that there was a certain elasticity in people's ages. In some cases they might been around too long for them to remember ( wasn't that polite?!). In the case of deaths, the people reporting them were not related to the bodies so guessed. People eager to get married ???? so upped their age. In the case of lodgers their landlord just guessed. It most certainly is not a good yard stick to rely on. Anyway, nobody said it would be easy (this family tree thing), Trust it all worked out in the end Regards - Anthony ---- "Moss wrote: > > I have this happening to me as well right now! I found my GG > grandmother on the 1881 census listed as being born in 1866. And I have > her marriage cert from 1888 and it also says she was born around 1866 > (she's listed as 22 on her marriage cert). However, I cannot find her > on familysearch.org (even using the batch numbers) nor freebmd. I look > at the 1891 census and she's listed as being 23, so that'd work out to > be born in 1867. This works out be the same for the 1901 census. The > closest person I can find in the area where I know she was born was born > in 1864 or 1873! Quite a spread in years.... > > I'm wondering if this is a case of "fixing the numbers" as she was > actually older than her spouse....and I'm not sure how common that was > back in the mid-late 1800's. So, I too, am not sure where to look next. > > Sharon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:33 PM > Subject: [HAM] Mobile Birthday ? > > > Hi Folks, > NELLIE ALBURY was married in 1901.On the certificate she gave her age as > 26. > Thus she was born c1875. She and her husband emmigrated to the US in the > > same year. On the 1910 US census (dated 20th Apri)l, census she gives > her > age as 34 (b1876), the 1920 census shows her to be 42 (b1878) and on > the > 1930 census she's 52 (b1878). In July of 1922 she applies for a > passport. > This time she gives her birth details - born in Hampshire, 12th August > 1877. > All this and I still CANNOT FIND HER !!!!!!!!! I've tried BMD and > findmypast > sites, different spellings, but to no avail. So, I feel that only leaves > > Parish Registers. This is uncharted territory to me. > Please can sks advise on my next move ? > Yours hopefully, > Anthony > > > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Oh I know it is. Really beautiful! Edna - in the igloo, Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Parker" <[email protected]> To: "Edna & Ken" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Time Change N. America - DST Spring forward!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is still snowing. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Hampshire-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: [HAM] Time Change N. America - DST > > > Hi, > > Time change this evening, spring forward one hour > for N. America. > > Cheers, > > Edna - Ottawa > For FREE online parish register transcriptions visit the Hampshire OPC at > www.knightroots.co.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Time change this evening, spring forward one hour for N. America. Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

How about this as a birth from Sep 1874 quarter, in which an August birth would fall?Aulbery Nelly Portsea 2b 439Also what about this from 1891:Nellie Aulbery Age:16Estimated Birth Year:abt 1875Relation:DaughterFather's Name:JohnMother's Name:BetsyGender:FemaleWhere born:Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil Parish:PortseaEcclesiastical parish:St LukeCounty/Island:Hampshire Class: RG12; Piece: 869; Folio 134; Page 6; GSU roll: 6095979. _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com