Ann, I would disagree, in that there is much hullaballoue on the "Black" Irish and Dutch. There are 24 pages re the "myth of the Black Irish" which is a must to read. You can find it at "http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish/"..... There is another study involving the "Indian" which is very convincing - I lost the file on my computer and am looking for the 'hard copy' that has been misfiled or mis-stacked. :-) when found, I'll let'cha know. Ken Baker, Santa Maria, CA "Ann H. Pippin" wrote: > I have to reply to this email because I also know that being Scotch-Irish > and "Black Irish" means that I am a descendant of those Irish who bred with > the survivors of the Spanish ships that were wrecked off the shores of > Ireland. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <marchamilton1@mac.com> > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:00 AM > Subject: [HAM] UNSUBSCRIBE > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Bill Penrose wrote: > > > > > I have always believed that the term "black Irish" meant descendants of > > > the intermarrying between Irish and Spanish survivors of the wreck on > > > the Coast of Ireland of the ships of the Spanish Armada. Am I wrong > > > here? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: helen marvel [mailto:hmmarvel@alltel.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:21 AM > > > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V02 #283 > > > > > > > > > Hello list. I never meant that all people refered to as Black Irish were > > > Cherokee. I am part Irish also and pround of every bit of my heiriage. I > > > have done indian research for about 20 years here in the old Indian > > > Territory and we run across many things. I was only trying to explain > > > why my grandfather was born in the Choctaw Nation. It was Choctaw land > > > at that time and when white people came here to live they had to buy an > > > Indian Permit which was usually #5 per year and they registered at the > > > Agency. They was one here in now Leflore County,Ok and it was located at > > > Kullychaha. I was fortunate in seeing this old place before it was torn > > > down so cattle could range there. The Permit registers still exist today > > > and some are on display at the Kerr Museum in Poteau, Ok. The Choctaws > > > kept very good court records. The Cherokee were not the only ones that > > > could read and write. I love the question and was proud to be able to > > > answer it. I am sorry if the truth has offended anyone. That was not the > > > intent. If you had been tied to a tree and whipped because you were > > > indian you might of told them you were Black Dutch also. Helen Marvel > > > in Ok. Part Cherokee/ and Choctaw and proud to be American > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > > Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness > > > http://raogk.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > > > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Clan Hamilton Society > > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > 215 SW 20th Terrace - Oak Grove, MO 64075 > http:\\www.hamiltongensociety.org > hamgen@planetkc.com or membership@hamiltongensociety.org