I have always believed that the term "black Irish" meant descendants of the intermarrying between Irish and Spanish survivors of the wreck on the Coast of Ireland of the ships of the Spanish Armada. Am I wrong here? -----Original Message----- From: helen marvel [mailto:hmmarvel@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:21 AM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V02 #283 Hello list. I never meant that all people refered to as Black Irish were Cherokee. I am part Irish also and pround of every bit of my heiriage. I have done indian research for about 20 years here in the old Indian Territory and we run across many things. I was only trying to explain why my grandfather was born in the Choctaw Nation. It was Choctaw land at that time and when white people came here to live they had to buy an Indian Permit which was usually #5 per year and they registered at the Agency. They was one here in now Leflore County,Ok and it was located at Kullychaha. I was fortunate in seeing this old place before it was torn down so cattle could range there. The Permit registers still exist today and some are on display at the Kerr Museum in Poteau, Ok. The Choctaws kept very good court records. The Cherokee were not the only ones that could read and write. I love the question and was proud to be able to answer it. I am sorry if the truth has offended anyone. That was not the intent. If you had been tied to a tree and whipped because you were indian you might of told them you were Black Dutch also. Helen Marvel in Ok. Part Cherokee/ and Choctaw and proud to be American ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness http://raogk.rootsweb.com

Good-morning Helen, I'm not sure if I can help you but I think I might be able to. My grandfather is a Hamilton, born in Pushmataha, Oklahoma and is currently living in Ceres. The names you mention are very familiar with me and he says there is Choctaw in our family. I will look through my records and see what I can come up with and if indeed our two lines match. I will let you know what I find out within a couple of days. Christine Mcknight -- Researching the following surnames: Cantrell, Cox, Files, Flores, Forstner, Hamilton, Harper, Lee, McKnight, Pavlakis, Pearson, Pfeiffer, Pruitt, St.Germain, Thomas, Yazembiak on 9/12/02 4:29 AM, helen marvel at hmmarvel@alltel.net wrote: > Hello. I am trying to tie up some loose ends here. My great Uncle John enry > Hamilton was born here in Indian Territory and possibly married here to Lily > Cook. They went to California and had several children. He lived in > Modesto,Ca. He was a farmer by trade. I know he had a son Clarence that was > killed in a tractor accident in 1953. He also has a son namedJ.D. who had a > lage family . After Johns death on 23 Sept.1986 in Modesto, his wife moved to > Ceres ,Ca. She was a hspital worker. I would like to know the burial place for > this couple and will share pictures and family info with any that are doing > this line. John was a brother to Hugh, Harve, Walter ,Melvin and Ted and also > had one sister,Pearl. Thank you. Helen Marel > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Great search engine > http://www.familytreemagazine.com/search/ >

Hello. I am trying to tie up some loose ends here. My great Uncle John enry Hamilton was born here in Indian Territory and possibly married here to Lily Cook. They went to California and had several children. He lived in Modesto,Ca. He was a farmer by trade. I know he had a son Clarence that was killed in a tractor accident in 1953. He also has a son namedJ.D. who had a lage family . After Johns death on 23 Sept.1986 in Modesto, his wife moved to Ceres ,Ca. She was a hspital worker. I would like to know the burial place for this couple and will share pictures and family info with any that are doing this line. John was a brother to Hugh, Harve, Walter ,Melvin and Ted and also had one sister,Pearl. Thank you. Helen Marel

Hello list. I never meant that all people refered to as Black Irish were Cherokee. I am part Irish also and pround of every bit of my heiriage. I have done indian research for about 20 years here in the old Indian Territory and we run across many things. I was only trying to explain why my grandfather was born in the Choctaw Nation. It was Choctaw land at that time and when white people came here to live they had to buy an Indian Permit which was usually #5 per year and they registered at the Agency. They was one here in now Leflore County,Ok and it was located at Kullychaha. I was fortunate in seeing this old place before it was torn down so cattle could range there. The Permit registers still exist today and some are on display at the Kerr Museum in Poteau, Ok. The Choctaws kept very good court records. The Cherokee were not the only ones that could read and write. I love the question and was proud to be able to answer it. I am sorry if the truth has offended anyone. That was not the intent. If you had been tied to a tree and whipped because you were indian you might of told them you were Black Dutch also. Helen Marvel in Ok. Part Cherokee/ and Choctaw and proud to be American

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HAMILTON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xFh.2ACEB/3297 Message Board Post: I photographed this tombstone in the Whites Chapel Cemetery, Tarrant County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 17,687 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

I read this about "Black Irish" being part Indian. I am "Black Irish," but my people came from Ireland, and intermarried down the line with the Portugese or Spanish when Spanish ships wrecked and survivors came ashore, later breeding with the Irish. I have no Indian at all in me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Dayle Zippay" <evadayle@yahoo.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V02 #283 > Hi Helen, > Why was Hugh born in Indian Territory, do you > know? I am interested, though I'm nearly positive we > don't have a connection. One of my Hamiltons was > abducted by an Indian squaw in Pa. around 1810--that's > as close as we get. I'm always interested in the > Native American connections. > Eva > > > --- helen marvel <hmmarvel@alltel.net> wrote: > > > > Hello list. I am fairly new so I thought that I > > would send in my Hamilton > > lines and see if there is anyone else out there who > > may connect in any way. > > My parents were Arthur Peaslee and Lela O.J. > > Hamilton born 9 Dec, 1917 in > > Leflore Co,Ok. > > She was the dau. of Hugh Hamilton b 2 Dec. 1893 in > > the Choctaw Nation, > > Indian Territory and Mary Elizabeth Wynn b 10 > > Dec,1893 in Johnson Co,Ar. > > He was the son of William L.( possibly Lewis) > > Hamilton b May 1856 in Ala, > > and his third wife Lurah A. Clayton. This couple > > were married in Tupelo, > > Lee, Ms in 1887. He and the family came by wagon > > train to what is now > > Leflore Co,Ok. in the 1880s. I have a lot of info to > > share and a lot of > > questions also. Hope to hear from some of you. > > Most of these Hamiltons lived and died and are > > buried near here. Some of > > the Hamilton boys married and scattered to Ca. I > > will go into them later. > > Helen Marvel > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Suggestions and complaints to list maintainer, not > > to the list! > > DigMyPast@msn.com > > > > > ===== > Eva Dayle Zippay > Tallahassee, Florida > evadayle@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HAMILTON , EWING Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xFh.2ACEB/3296 Message Board Post: I photographed this tombstone in the Arlington Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 17,276 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

Eva Dayle, I am from Baker/Hamilton stock, my Baker's left Mt Ida, AR and went to SKULLYVILLE. IT in 1879 - caught as INTRUDERS in 1881 and went westerly, down, west & up through IT country. LAND in my genealogy studies has been the foremost reasons that our forefathers moved, moved and moved - the grass was always greener on the other side - :-) There were 32 landholders in AR during the 1800s - I have finally traced mine from the potatoe famine in 1848 to M'boro, AR where he finally died after the trials and tribulations of the CW/CSA. As land opened up "thar she goes" seemed to be the way of the frontier. You like Native Americans, as I do, (when you are a part of it you must follow) you must(?) follow the history trail. I know that the "Black" Irish, Dutch were only part Indians which were the scrounge of the earth - but it was all right to be part black 'cause the South made it okay - they were them................................ Our HISTORY TALES don't tell it all, so if you is, then ya gotta check it out................. Didja know, that during the "potato famine" in Ireland - the largest contributor to their plight was the CHOCTAW INDIANS - far more than the British contribution................... Sorry for my soap box. Ken Baker, Santa Maria, CA Eva Dayle Zippay wrote: > Hi Helen, > Why was Hugh born in Indian Territory, do you > know? I am interested, though I'm nearly positive we > don't have a connection. One of my Hamiltons was > abducted by an Indian squaw in Pa. around 1810--that's > as close as we get. I'm always interested in the > Native American connections. > Eva > > --- helen marvel <hmmarvel@alltel.net> wrote: > > > > Hello list. I am fairly new so I thought that I > > would send in my Hamilton > > lines and see if there is anyone else out there who > > may connect in any way. > > My parents were Arthur Peaslee and Lela O.J. > > Hamilton born 9 Dec, 1917 in > > Leflore Co,Ok. > > She was the dau. of Hugh Hamilton b 2 Dec. 1893 in > > the Choctaw Nation, > > Indian Territory and Mary Elizabeth Wynn b 10 > > Dec,1893 in Johnson Co,Ar. > > He was the son of William L.( possibly Lewis) > > Hamilton b May 1856 in Ala, > > and his third wife Lurah A. Clayton. This couple > > were married in Tupelo, > > Lee, Ms in 1887. He and the family came by wagon > > train to what is now > > Leflore Co,Ok. in the 1880s. I have a lot of info to > > share and a lot of > > questions also. Hope to hear from some of you. > > Most of these Hamiltons lived and died and are > > buried near here. Some of > > the Hamilton boys married and scattered to Ca. I > > will go into them later. > > Helen Marvel > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Suggestions and complaints to list maintainer, not > > to the list! > > DigMyPast@msn.com > > > > ===== > Eva Dayle Zippay > Tallahassee, Florida > evadayle@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text

Hi Helen, Why was Hugh born in Indian Territory, do you know? I am interested, though I'm nearly positive we don't have a connection. One of my Hamiltons was abducted by an Indian squaw in Pa. around 1810--that's as close as we get. I'm always interested in the Native American connections. Eva --- helen marvel <hmmarvel@alltel.net> wrote: > > Hello list. I am fairly new so I thought that I > would send in my Hamilton > lines and see if there is anyone else out there who > may connect in any way. > My parents were Arthur Peaslee and Lela O.J. > Hamilton born 9 Dec, 1917 in > Leflore Co,Ok. > She was the dau. of Hugh Hamilton b 2 Dec. 1893 in > the Choctaw Nation, > Indian Territory and Mary Elizabeth Wynn b 10 > Dec,1893 in Johnson Co,Ar. > He was the son of William L.( possibly Lewis) > Hamilton b May 1856 in Ala, > and his third wife Lurah A. Clayton. This couple > were married in Tupelo, > Lee, Ms in 1887. He and the family came by wagon > train to what is now > Leflore Co,Ok. in the 1880s. I have a lot of info to > share and a lot of > questions also. Hope to hear from some of you. > Most of these Hamiltons lived and died and are > buried near here. Some of > the Hamilton boys married and scattered to Ca. I > will go into them later. > Helen Marvel > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Suggestions and complaints to list maintainer, not > to the list! > DigMyPast@msn.com > ===== Eva Dayle Zippay Tallahassee, Florida evadayle@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Hello list. I am fairly new so I thought that I would send in my Hamilton lines and see if there is anyone else out there who may connect in any way. My parents were Arthur Peaslee and Lela O.J. Hamilton born 9 Dec, 1917 in Leflore Co,Ok. She was the dau. of Hugh Hamilton b 2 Dec. 1893 in the Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory and Mary Elizabeth Wynn b 10 Dec,1893 in Johnson Co,Ar. He was the son of William L.( possibly Lewis) Hamilton b May 1856 in Ala, and his third wife Lurah A. Clayton. This couple were married in Tupelo, Lee, Ms in 1887. He and the family came by wagon train to what is now Leflore Co,Ok. in the 1880s. I have a lot of info to share and a lot of questions also. Hope to hear from some of you. Most of these Hamiltons lived and died and are buried near here. Some of the Hamilton boys married and scattered to Ca. I will go into them later. Helen Marvel

Well, they send you a kit in the mail. There are sterile swabs and a sterile kit to send it back in. They assign you a number for privacy. FTM is only one of the companies involved in DNA testing as a way to show relationships. I understand you may have this testing at local labs but with much more cost. FTM has what you might call a group rate. It is less now than when I had the testing performed. Regards, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mattoon" <Paul.Mattoon@Dynamex.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [HAM] Genetikits > How did it work and what's its connection with FTM? > > Paul Mattoon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brenda Collins [mailto:bwc@worldviewinc.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:06 PM > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAM] Genetikits > > > FTM DNA Test site- Click on Surname Projects > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > I have two family members that participated in DNA testing for genealogy > purposes and we are completely satisfied. > > Brenda Collins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LeRoy Hamilton" <LeRoyH@cablelynx.com> > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:55 PM > Subject: [HAM] Genetikits > > > > Are there any list members familiar with FTM genetic testing program. Also > curious if there is a Hamilton group being tested. > > > > LeRoy Hamilton > > Longview, Texas > > LeRoyH@cablelynx.com > > E- mail checked by Norton > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ > New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > and > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ > New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > and > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > >

Brenda, Thanks for responding. Where can I get more information on this? This is pretty interesting. When I was in the Marine Corps, they used swabs to swipe the inside of my mouth, then sealed and tagged it. Is this the same procedure? Paul -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Collins [mailto:bwc@worldviewinc.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:18 PM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAM] Genetikits Well, they send you a kit in the mail. There are sterile swabs and a sterile kit to send it back in. They assign you a number for privacy. FTM is only one of the companies involved in DNA testing as a way to show relationships. I understand you may have this testing at local labs but with much more cost. FTM has what you might call a group rate. It is less now than when I had the testing performed. Regards, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mattoon" <Paul.Mattoon@Dynamex.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [HAM] Genetikits > How did it work and what's its connection with FTM? > > Paul Mattoon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brenda Collins [mailto:bwc@worldviewinc.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:06 PM > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAM] Genetikits > > > FTM DNA Test site- Click on Surname Projects > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > I have two family members that participated in DNA testing for genealogy > purposes and we are completely satisfied. > > Brenda Collins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LeRoy Hamilton" <LeRoyH@cablelynx.com> > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:55 PM > Subject: [HAM] Genetikits > > > > Are there any list members familiar with FTM genetic testing program. Also > curious if there is a Hamilton group being tested. > > > > LeRoy Hamilton > > Longview, Texas > > LeRoyH@cablelynx.com > > E- mail checked by Norton > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ > New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > and > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ > New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > and > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/

To all members of the list, we have just received info from the company that does the DNA project. As soon as we review the information, we will advise of the particulars. So far, the minimum cost is $99.00. Lawrence M. Hamilton Sr. President Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. 215 SW 20th Terrace Oak Grove, MO 64075 www.hamiltongensociety.org

Does this include the spelling HAMBELTON?

How did it work and what's its connection with FTM? Paul Mattoon -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Collins [mailto:bwc@worldviewinc.com] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:06 PM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAM] Genetikits FTM DNA Test site- Click on Surname Projects http://www.familytreedna.com/ I have two family members that participated in DNA testing for genealogy purposes and we are completely satisfied. Brenda Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Hamilton" <LeRoyH@cablelynx.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: [HAM] Genetikits > Are there any list members familiar with FTM genetic testing program. Also curious if there is a Hamilton group being tested. > > LeRoy Hamilton > Longview, Texas > LeRoyH@cablelynx.com > E- mail checked by Norton > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. and Clan Hamilton Society web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW**

If there is an ongoing project for the Hamilton Surname, you would contact that Project Coordinator or contact someone at the FTM DNA site at info@FamilyTreeDNA.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lakeary5@cs.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Genetikits > In a message dated 9/8/2002 2:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bwc@worldviewinc.com writes: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > WHERE CAN A PERSON GET TESTED > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Great search engine > http://www.familytreemagazine.com/search/ > >

In a message dated 9/8/2002 2:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bwc@worldviewinc.com writes: > http://www.familytreedna.com/ WHERE CAN A PERSON GET TESTED

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hamilton, Tatum Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xFh.2ACEB/3290.2 Message Board Post: I'm not sure if this could be the Green Hamilton you are interested in, but a very helpful researcher sent this to me. I am interested in more information on Almedia F. Hamilton who married a Thomas Tatum in Travis County, TX. If anyone out there is researching THIS family, please e-mail me directly at Arms@Quixnet.net. Thanks! 1880 Travis County Census, Precinct 4 Page 77A - Almeda Tatum page 77A Sarah Hamilton (self F W Widow age 63) b. TN Green Hamilton (son M W Single age 27) b. TX Joseph Hamilton (son M W Single age 28) b. TN Almeda Tatum (Dau F Widow W age 38) b. TN Note that Almeda is listed as a widow. So Thomas Tatum she married in 1872 may have died before 1880. 1880 ED Description #123 Polling Place 3 & 4 lying North of East and East of North from Co. seat embracing Manor and Pflugerville. Name of Enumerator : G. W. Malone Post Office : Manor

FTM DNA Test site- Click on Surname Projects http://www.familytreedna.com/ I have two family members that participated in DNA testing for genealogy purposes and we are completely satisfied. Brenda Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Hamilton" <LeRoyH@cablelynx.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: [HAM] Genetikits > Are there any list members familiar with FTM genetic testing program. Also curious if there is a Hamilton group being tested. > > LeRoy Hamilton > Longview, Texas > LeRoyH@cablelynx.com > E- mail checked by Norton > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xFh.2ACEB/1824.1 Message Board Post: Dear Deborah, I'm afraid I do not have any knowlege of your quest but I would like to ask if you have come across Rev. Francis or Frank Maxwell .(his wife was Isabel Clarke)in Galston or anywhere in Ayrshire. His son was ~Robert Daniel Rowat Maxwell