This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SLOAN, HAMILTON, DONNELLY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xFh.2ACEB/3301 Message Board Post: Seeking any links on JAMES SLOAN m ROSE HAMILTON probably Kilkeel, Co. Down. Issue : ELIZABETH b 1860,JAMES b 1865,GEORGE b 1868,DANIEL b ? there also may have been a HENRY. Some members of my GGrandmothers family HAMILTON'S went to Canada. Any details or links, please let me know. Thanks Kate

Can anyone tell me if it is worth the hundred bucks to subscribe to ancestry.com? I have made all of my progress on my own and with the message boards. ----- Original Message ----- From: pkcb113@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 AM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request Glad to help I still have a bone to pick with them, as good as they have been, their attitude still sticks. I guess it will take awhile for me to forget so free stuff I gladly give. I don't have access to the Irish link or periodicals. 1920 census Delaware County town: Muncie Hamilton, Vere C. age 38 Louise L. age 35 Lillian B age 15 Robert A. age 9 ssdi: ssn 307-07-2309 Indiana born October7, 1881 died October 1964 issued in Indiana Married to Louise L. Clevenger 11/14/1903 book c-15 pg 167 Delaware County, Ind Pat > > From: CHShelley1954@cs.com > Date: 2002/09/18 Wed AM 10:33:13 EDT > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > Is there anyone on the list who would do the immense favor of checking > something for me on Ancestry.com. I am not a member and cannot manage the > $100 subscription right now. I have a dead end ancestor... VERE HAMILTON. I > have been looking for evidence of him for many many years. Now in the index > to Ancestry.com I find a possible mention of him but I cannot access the > actual record. > > If any one is kind enough to check this for me all that is necessary is to do > a search for First Name:Vere > Surname: Hamilton > Then you should get a listing including & "Birth, Marriage & Death Records" > List these and there is one mention in: > DOWN, IRELAND, Parish and Probate records. > > > I HAVE TO SEE THIS RECORD; > > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS OUT FOR ME > Thanks > Chris > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== Clan Hamilton Society web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info!

 I'm beginning to think you're right...have been member 3; maybe 4 years or so....tried the census records...too hard to read...likewise the old newspaper resource...nothing. But I've hung on, afraid something that I'm looking for would be added...J.Sing > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Millson [mailto:rmillson@carolina.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:44 PM > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > > >From my experience with Ancestry.com, it was a waste of my > money. I found > NOTHING of use during my two year membership. The reason, very > few records > from my state have been placed on the internet. Had to research on my own > anyway. Also, membership renewal is automatic. You are not advised until > the charge shows up on your credit card bill. Then they tell you you have > to notify them months in advance. My recommendation: SAVE YOUR MONEY. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Hamilton" <briten821@msn.com> > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > > > Can anyone tell me if it is worth the hundred bucks to subscribe to > ancestry.com? I have made all of my progress on my own and with > the message > boards. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: pkcb113@bellsouth.net > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 AM > > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > > > Glad to help I still have a bone to pick with them, as good as they have > been, their attitude still sticks. I guess it will take awhile for me to > forget so free stuff I gladly give. I don't have access to the Irish link > or periodicals. > > > > > > > > 1920 census Delaware County town: Muncie > > > > Hamilton, Vere C. age 38 > > Louise L. age 35 > > Lillian B age 15 > > Robert A. age 9 > > > > ssdi: > > > > ssn 307-07-2309 Indiana > > born October7, 1881 > > died October 1964 issued in Indiana > > > > Married to Louise L. Clevenger 11/14/1903 book c-15 pg 167 Delaware > County, Ind > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: CHShelley1954@cs.com > > > Date: 2002/09/18 Wed AM 10:33:13 EDT > > > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list who would do the immense favor of checking > > > something for me on Ancestry.com. I am not a member and cannot manage > the > > > $100 subscription right now. I have a dead end ancestor... VERE > HAMILTON. I > > > have been looking for evidence of him for many many years. Now in the > index > > > to Ancestry.com I find a possible mention of him but I cannot > access the > > > actual record. > > > > > > If any one is kind enough to check this for me all that is > necessary is > to do > > > a search for First Name:Vere > > > Surname: Hamilton > > > Then you should get a listing including & "Birth, Marriage & Death > Records" > > > List these and there is one mention in: > > > DOWN, IRELAND, Parish and Probate records. > > > > > > > > > I HAVE TO SEE THIS RECORD; > > > > > > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS OUT FOR ME > > > Thanks > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > > Clan Hamilton Society > > > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > > > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > > > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Clan Hamilton Society > > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ > > New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > > and > > Clan Hamilton Society > > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > >

Northumberland PA is located in the Center of the State on the banks of the Susquehanna River. Baltimore, Annapolis, Philadelphia, New York would be candidate ports. Bob Hamilton

Chris, I am a member of Ancestry: Down: Upper & Lower Castlereagh - Gravestone Inscriptions, Baronies of Upper and Lower Castlereagh b Marriage Allegations, 1660 Saintfield Church of Ireland Graveyard O. S. 16. Grid Ref. 405591 County: Down Country: Ireland Hamilton Erected by John Hamilton of Belfast in memory of his father Vere Hamilton who died 06 Mar 1759 aged 49 years. This has now become the property of Arthur Anderson of Belfast whose children are interred as follows:--Robert who died 06 May 1849 aged 8 months, William John who died 05 Jun 1849 aged 17 years, Jane who died 07 Aug 1865 aged 26 years. Jane Hamilton, wife of Arthur Anderson, died 21 Jan 1878 aged 65 years. Also the above named Arthur Anderson who died 25 May 1888 aged 80 years. Let me know if there is anything else that you would like me to check. Carol

I am looking for the ship name that my line of Hamilton's came over on. They left Scotland in 1769 and arrived along the east coast (some where close to Northumberland, PA) in 1770. When they sailed there was John Hamilton b 1749 wife Agnes Nancy Rayburn b 1750 2 small children Janet and Robert and while at sea Nancy gave birth to my line John Hamilton b 1770. I am amazed that both the mother and child survived ! Does anyone know of a port that was around Northumberland, PA in 1770 ? As most of you can guess when I type in "John Hamilton" I get more than I can handle !! I also tried ports in Fife Scotland but had no luck Any ideas ?? Thank you Trisha Hamilton-Leo

I guess I have a similar beef. ;-) The Down Ireland: Parish and Probate Records say Down: Upper & Lower Castlereagh - Gravestone Inscriptions, Baronies of Upper and Lower Castlereagh b Marriage Allegations, 1660 Saintfield Church of Ireland Graveyard O. S. 16. Grid Ref. 405591 County: Down Country: Ireland Hamilton Erected by John Hamilton of Belfast in memory of his father Vere Hamilton who died 06 Mar 1759 aged 49 years. This has now become the property of Arthur Anderson of Belfast whose children are interred as follows:--Robert who died 06 May 1849 aged 8 months, William John who died 05 Jun 1849 aged 17 years, Jane who died 07 Aug 1865 aged 26 years. Jane Hamilton, wife of Arthur Anderson, died 21 Jan 1878 aged 65 years. Also the above named Arthur Anderson who died 25 May 1888 aged 80 years. --- Hope this helps. Teresa > > From: <pkcb113@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2002/09/18 Wed AM 11:15:24 EDT > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > Glad to help I still have a bone to pick with them, as good as they have been, their attitude still sticks. I guess it will take awhile for me to forget so free stuff I gladly give. I don't have access to the Irish link or periodicals. > > > > 1920 census Delaware County town: Muncie > > Hamilton, Vere C. age 38 > Louise L. age 35 > Lillian B age 15 > Robert A. age 9 > > ssdi: > > ssn 307-07-2309 Indiana > born October7, 1881 > died October 1964 issued in Indiana > > Married to Louise L. Clevenger 11/14/1903 book c-15 pg 167 Delaware County, Ind > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > From: CHShelley1954@cs.com > > Date: 2002/09/18 Wed AM 10:33:13 EDT > > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > > > Is there anyone on the list who would do the immense favor of checking > > something for me on Ancestry.com. I am not a member and cannot manage the > > $100 subscription right now. I have a dead end ancestor... VERE HAMILTON. I > > have been looking for evidence of him for many many years. Now in the index > > to Ancestry.com I find a possible mention of him but I cannot access the > > actual record. > > > > If any one is kind enough to check this for me all that is necessary is to do > > a search for First Name:Vere > > Surname: Hamilton > > Then you should get a listing including & "Birth, Marriage & Death Records" > > List these and there is one mention in: > > DOWN, IRELAND, Parish and Probate records. > > > > > > I HAVE TO SEE THIS RECORD; > > > > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS OUT FOR ME > > Thanks > > Chris > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Clan Hamilton Society > > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > >

Glad to help I still have a bone to pick with them, as good as they have been, their attitude still sticks. I guess it will take awhile for me to forget so free stuff I gladly give. I don't have access to the Irish link or periodicals. 1920 census Delaware County town: Muncie Hamilton, Vere C. age 38 Louise L. age 35 Lillian B age 15 Robert A. age 9 ssdi: ssn 307-07-2309 Indiana born October7, 1881 died October 1964 issued in Indiana Married to Louise L. Clevenger 11/14/1903 book c-15 pg 167 Delaware County, Ind Pat > > From: CHShelley1954@cs.com > Date: 2002/09/18 Wed AM 10:33:13 EDT > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAM] Ancestry.com - special request > > Is there anyone on the list who would do the immense favor of checking > something for me on Ancestry.com. I am not a member and cannot manage the > $100 subscription right now. I have a dead end ancestor... VERE HAMILTON. I > have been looking for evidence of him for many many years. Now in the index > to Ancestry.com I find a possible mention of him but I cannot access the > actual record. > > If any one is kind enough to check this for me all that is necessary is to do > a search for First Name:Vere > Surname: Hamilton > Then you should get a listing including & "Birth, Marriage & Death Records" > List these and there is one mention in: > DOWN, IRELAND, Parish and Probate records. > > > I HAVE TO SEE THIS RECORD; > > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS OUT FOR ME > Thanks > Chris > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > >

Is there anyone on the list who would do the immense favor of checking something for me on Ancestry.com. I am not a member and cannot manage the $100 subscription right now. I have a dead end ancestor... VERE HAMILTON. I have been looking for evidence of him for many many years. Now in the index to Ancestry.com I find a possible mention of him but I cannot access the actual record. If any one is kind enough to check this for me all that is necessary is to do a search for First Name:Vere Surname: Hamilton Then you should get a listing including & "Birth, Marriage & Death Records" List these and there is one mention in: DOWN, IRELAND, Parish and Probate records. I HAVE TO SEE THIS RECORD; PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS OUT FOR ME Thanks Chris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: hamilton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xFh.2ACEB/3300 Message Board Post: I am curious of anyone knows of a Sorita, I don't know the last name. She would have somehow been associated with the Frederick Paul Hamilton family. She came from Spain.

Although I am not an expert, I have been told that American Indians who were dark in color would often tell the census taker they were mulatto or black. Otherwise, they were treated as Indians instead of free colored...which, depending upon where they lived, could mean they were forced to move westward (walk). Also, sometimes the census taker would write the designation based upon his observation or what the neighbors told him. sharon JBree87700@aol.com wrote: >Hi Dolly, I've never seen a census designation for "Black Irish"; I'd assume >B to be Black or some % thereof. Check some of the Native American >sites/lists to see how "American Indian" might be designated; it's not within >my experience, nor are the Malungeons. Jim > > >==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== >Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness >http://raogk.rootsweb.com >

Hi Dolly, I've never seen a census designation for "Black Irish"; I'd assume B to be Black or some % thereof. Check some of the Native American sites/lists to see how "American Indian" might be designated; it's not within my experience, nor are the Malungeons. Jim

Ann, I would disagree, in that there is much hullaballoue on the "Black" Irish and Dutch. There are 24 pages re the "myth of the Black Irish" which is a must to read. You can find it at "http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish/"..... There is another study involving the "Indian" which is very convincing - I lost the file on my computer and am looking for the 'hard copy' that has been misfiled or mis-stacked. :-) when found, I'll let'cha know. Ken Baker, Santa Maria, CA "Ann H. Pippin" wrote: > I have to reply to this email because I also know that being Scotch-Irish > and "Black Irish" means that I am a descendant of those Irish who bred with > the survivors of the Spanish ships that were wrecked off the shores of > Ireland. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <marchamilton1@mac.com> > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:00 AM > Subject: [HAM] UNSUBSCRIBE > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Bill Penrose wrote: > > > > > I have always believed that the term "black Irish" meant descendants of > > > the intermarrying between Irish and Spanish survivors of the wreck on > > > the Coast of Ireland of the ships of the Spanish Armada. Am I wrong > > > here? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: helen marvel [mailto:hmmarvel@alltel.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:21 AM > > > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V02 #283 > > > > > > > > > Hello list. I never meant that all people refered to as Black Irish were > > > Cherokee. I am part Irish also and pround of every bit of my heiriage. I > > > have done indian research for about 20 years here in the old Indian > > > Territory and we run across many things. I was only trying to explain > > > why my grandfather was born in the Choctaw Nation. It was Choctaw land > > > at that time and when white people came here to live they had to buy an > > > Indian Permit which was usually #5 per year and they registered at the > > > Agency. They was one here in now Leflore County,Ok and it was located at > > > Kullychaha. I was fortunate in seeing this old place before it was torn > > > down so cattle could range there. The Permit registers still exist today > > > and some are on display at the Kerr Museum in Poteau, Ok. The Choctaws > > > kept very good court records. The Cherokee were not the only ones that > > > could read and write. I love the question and was proud to be able to > > > answer it. I am sorry if the truth has offended anyone. That was not the > > > intent. If you had been tied to a tree and whipped because you were > > > indian you might of told them you were Black Dutch also. Helen Marvel > > > in Ok. Part Cherokee/ and Choctaw and proud to be American > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > > Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness > > > http://raogk.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > > > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Clan Hamilton Society > > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > 215 SW 20th Terrace - Oak Grove, MO 64075 > http:\\www.hamiltongensociety.org > hamgen@planetkc.com or membership@hamiltongensociety.org

I have to reply to this email because I also know that being Scotch-Irish and "Black Irish" means that I am a descendant of those Irish who bred with the survivors of the Spanish ships that were wrecked off the shores of Ireland. ----- Original Message ----- From: <marchamilton1@mac.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: [HAM] UNSUBSCRIBE > UNSUBSCRIBE > > On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Bill Penrose wrote: > > > I have always believed that the term "black Irish" meant descendants of > > the intermarrying between Irish and Spanish survivors of the wreck on > > the Coast of Ireland of the ships of the Spanish Armada. Am I wrong > > here? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: helen marvel [mailto:hmmarvel@alltel.net] > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:21 AM > > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V02 #283 > > > > > > Hello list. I never meant that all people refered to as Black Irish were > > Cherokee. I am part Irish also and pround of every bit of my heiriage. I > > have done indian research for about 20 years here in the old Indian > > Territory and we run across many things. I was only trying to explain > > why my grandfather was born in the Choctaw Nation. It was Choctaw land > > at that time and when white people came here to live they had to buy an > > Indian Permit which was usually #5 per year and they registered at the > > Agency. They was one here in now Leflore County,Ok and it was located at > > Kullychaha. I was fortunate in seeing this old place before it was torn > > down so cattle could range there. The Permit registers still exist today > > and some are on display at the Kerr Museum in Poteau, Ok. The Choctaws > > kept very good court records. The Cherokee were not the only ones that > > could read and write. I love the question and was proud to be able to > > answer it. I am sorry if the truth has offended anyone. That was not the > > intent. If you had been tied to a tree and whipped because you were > > indian you might of told them you were Black Dutch also. Helen Marvel > > in Ok. Part Cherokee/ and Choctaw and proud to be American > > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness > > http://raogk.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info!

Hi Jim, Great article on Black Irish. Thanks. I know this is a Hamilton page, but my question is this, on some of the US Census, when researching the Irish last name of "Buckley," I came across a few surnames of Buckley with color origin shown with a "B" for black verses "W" for white. Do I assume that this is the actual skin color, or would this be regarding the Black Irish issue? My great grandfather, James Booth Buckley did marry Emma E. Moreland (both born in Ky. and married in 1886 in Ky). She is rumored to be of Indian decent. Full or part Indian is in question and I have not been able to verify this. I would appreciate if you can clarify this for me. Much Thanks, Dolly from Ohio

Hi folks, thanks for all the complements on the Shirley Hornbeck site...all of which should go to Shirley, of course...all I did was a quick search! Jim

I too would like to thank Jim regarding "Hornbeck/blkdutch.htm. I have read and read the "myths" and I suppose we just have to form our own opinion until someone really puts it in "black&white" - no pun intended. :-) I would like to offer the site that I can 'believe in' (coming from the injun line) http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish/ I would also recommend that all "Irish" decendants read: "The story of the Irish Race by MacMANUS" and "The Scotch-Irish" by James G. Leyburn. I wished I had read these book before seeing "Braveheart" which really painted a true picture. Ken Hamilton/Sparks/Choctaw Baker, Santa Maria, CA Bill Penrose wrote: > Thanks Jim. That was a real eye opener and great lesson for me! > > -----Original Message----- > From: JBree87700@aol.com [mailto:JBree87700@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:30 AM > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HAM] Re:Black Irish > > Hi, Try http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/blkdutch.htm > Jim > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Clan Hamilton Society > web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org > snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 > contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info! > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > 215 SW 20th Terrace - Oak Grove, MO 64075 > http:\\www.hamiltongensociety.org > hamgen@planetkc.com or membership@hamiltongensociety.org

UNSUBSCRIBE On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Bill Penrose wrote: > I have always believed that the term "black Irish" meant descendants of > the intermarrying between Irish and Spanish survivors of the wreck on > the Coast of Ireland of the ships of the Spanish Armada. Am I wrong > here? > > -----Original Message----- > From: helen marvel [mailto:hmmarvel@alltel.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:21 AM > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V02 #283 > > > Hello list. I never meant that all people refered to as Black Irish were > Cherokee. I am part Irish also and pround of every bit of my heiriage. I > have done indian research for about 20 years here in the old Indian > Territory and we run across many things. I was only trying to explain > why my grandfather was born in the Choctaw Nation. It was Choctaw land > at that time and when white people came here to live they had to buy an > Indian Permit which was usually #5 per year and they registered at the > Agency. They was one here in now Leflore County,Ok and it was located at > Kullychaha. I was fortunate in seeing this old place before it was torn > down so cattle could range there. The Permit registers still exist today > and some are on display at the Kerr Museum in Poteau, Ok. The Choctaws > kept very good court records. The Cherokee were not the only ones that > could read and write. I love the question and was proud to be able to > answer it. I am sorry if the truth has offended anyone. That was not the > intent. If you had been tied to a tree and whipped because you were > indian you might of told them you were Black Dutch also. Helen Marvel > in Ok. Part Cherokee/ and Choctaw and proud to be American > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness > http://raogk.rootsweb.com > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ >

Thanks Jim. That was a real eye opener and great lesson for me! -----Original Message----- From: JBree87700@aol.com [mailto:JBree87700@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:30 AM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAM] Re:Black Irish Hi, Try http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/blkdutch.htm Jim ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== Clan Hamilton Society web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** email: Secretary@clanhamilton.org snail mail: Clan Hamilton Society, P.O.Box 71881, Charleston, SC 29415 contact: Philip G. Dixon, secretary, sectychs@juno.com for more info!

Hi, Try http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/blkdutch.htm Jim